saintfully

Are you a tory by any chance ? Do you work for a PR company/tory head office ? What a lot of time you have on your hands to compile that list - for one website - what do you do ? I wonder how many other forums its been pasted on to ? Serious questions by the way.

Disaster

(Yaaaay! Second chance to do this) Poooooopey

Hi Greg, Im sorry if you’re struggling to follow my ‘syllogies’ (arn’t you are clever - I had to look that up). I’ll try and see if my rather simple analysis of the issue can be explained so you ‘get it’. Firstly though.... Thank you for pointing out the obvious mistake in my throwaway comment in my initial reply (ie. my contention that past temperature trends should not be taken as indicative of future temperature trends). Foolishly I did omit the caveat that this is only the case where it is believed anthropogenic global warming is real. Stupidly, since this is the subject under discussion I assumed this would be a given ? What a tool for thinking that. So, here goes with what I reckon : 1) As I understand it there is more carbon ppm in the atmos now than there has been for a very long time and its been generated by human industrial activity? Do we agree on this? 2) Carbon in the atmos ‘traps heat’, either by acting as a shield and preventing heat dissipation, or by the warming and subsequent retention of heat by the particles themselves - giving rise to radiative heat. 3) If you add more heat to the atmos (more carbon equals more ‘trapping’), you add more energy to the atmos. 4) The atmos & wider climate can be viewed as a system, which for a very long time, has had an amount of energy input via atmos carbon. I have characterised this as the ‘old system’, because now, since carbon ppm has been greatly increased, the energy input into this system by this means has also been increased, producing a ‘new system’. Why new ? Because I would argue that global climate is very complex and our understanding of it is incomplete (eg. long term weather forecasting). For this reason I think that it would be wrong to assume that a significant change to energy inputs would give rise to predictable results. Thus, it is best understood as a different entity when making models. 5) In geological terms (the origin of much climate data ?), ‘rapid’ (or short) includes 6-600 years – I have assumed? My point is that this evidence of rapid change implies a measure of inherent instability in the climate, both locally (duh!) and over short time-periods, and so we shouldn’t be surprised if our models based on an ‘old system’ fail to accurately predict the ‘new system’ over small timescales – hence IPCC/Met Office fallibility. (I would also add, at this point, that just as we had lots of snow, Vancouver had/has much less. My point is as facile as yours.) 6) Precautionary principle. I don’t accept that reacting to climate change means huge cost, wrecked industry, increased poverty and sickness. Instead, I think an engagement with environmental issues coupled with a recognition that the earths resources are finite and currently not being used in a sustainable way, is likely to reduce the problems you highlight. Of course, if mm-global warming is shown to be false, stop trying to stop it. Im not sure this also means stop trying to produce sustainability ? As as been said here many times before.... all IMHO of course.

My point regarding using past temperatures as guides to the future is that it assumes the system is operating in the same way. This is the assumption you make when you argue that a net drop (unanticipated and surprising to many, incidentally) over the last 6 years indicates global warming is weak or not real. Since man-made global warming would effectively create a new system, there is no reason to believe that dropping temperatures will be maintained or are predictable in the way they have been previously. In this new system, the effects of man-made global warming may be to introduce an enhanced level of stochasticity - leading to unexpected falls and rises. Concievably, that is what we are seeing now. I would say that the MWP is evidence that climate is capable of quite rapid change. I think that a disruption to climate equilibrium is likely to give rise to unpredictable outcomes - some of which may be rapid. Thus, making an assumption that a 6 yr fall in temps is best interpreted now as indicating that man-made global warming is a fallacy might be a little naive/foolish. The trend could be reversed quite radically in the next 6 years. As has been said many times before, precautionary principle should prevail.

...your club.

No reason for this to be the case if the base level of temperature fluctuates. In these circumstances, increased temperature (man-made) would simply be in addition to the fluctuating base and therefore the trend may appear to rise and fall, whilst actually bearing an increase. Oh, and past temperature trends should not be taken as indicative of future temperature trends.

Danny Dyer

A true and tragic story Wiltshire Saint, and if I'd known you were there I'd have said 'Hello'. As it is, I'm left organising the funeral - trying to make sure no-one brings flowers for the grave, thus wiping out the entire ex-GF's family. Tomorrow I'm going out to get a new bird... with nice tits.

Easy... poopey

(persevering) Necklace

(Let me try to divert it down a smutty alley then) Bushy

Is an anagram of : `As man or dikheed?` Fact.

Bruce

I don't need my legends tarnished thanks. Lawrie Mac will always be a hero in my eyes because hes probably the second biggest reason Im a Saints fan (besides the fact I was born one so was always going to be). 76, Kevin Keegan & Mick Channon, 84. At that time I knew I was lucky to be supporter of the best footy club in the country. If he takes the p1ss a bit, fair enough, don't tell me about it, cause Im not interested. Same for MLT.

Pie

Sorry, disagree - clearly a chicken Vol-au-vent

I agree - quite like the old codger. COYS

avram sent off lol

Actually, to be fair, 'Ufak Uras' is funny. My girlfriend has had clients with the names P. Nurse and A. Nurse. Pompey scum weirdly keeping it in the family probs.

I don't think anyone is saying that our recent results (or performances) have met expectations. However, since when do you judge a manager on the last couple of games ? I think its more prudent to judge over the course of a season myself - but maybe thats too long ? My main complaint is the public nature of the statement and the unrealistic demand for a play-off place. I think we all hoped to get there, but I think making it a necessity is too much... and I think that the cost to the club of sacking AP exceeds the potential benefit at this stage. On the subject of coaches... I agree. Georges Prost is/was an absolute legend and should be an all-time Saints hero. How much money did he make for the club when he was here ???? I think its too early to judge our current set-up, but I think its unlikely they will be able to match George Prosts achievements.

+1 My feelings exactly. A huge part of why Saints fell into disarray and division under Lowe was constant managerial changing and comments about footballing matters from the board. Stability is the key - issuing 'ultimatums' like this appears to me to be hugely counterproductive. Unnecessary public pressure. I'd rather we diidn't wash our dirty laundry in public, and weren't considering a sacking when our record is 2 losses in the last 26 (I think). If another team was acting like this we'd all be saying they were mental.

Not Alexander Lebedev... he might actually have enough cash to lose a few hundred mill without it bothering him ??? Please no... I just couldn't handle it if they struck that lucky just before hammering us in the cup.

Yeah I know, and I also know that civilians in schools were targeted by tanks - but its still the case that the Israeli murders number in the hundreds, whereas Saddams number in the many 1000's. Does that make Saddams crime worse than the Israeli govts ? I would say that it must do, superficially at least. Anyway, back to Bliar - what a monstrous c.unt. Agreed ?

+1 Although I'm not entirely comfortable with direct comparison between Israel and Saddam... no Palestinian villages gassed yet - not far off, I agree, but still - there is a difference in the degree to which both regimes act(ed) in a disgusting manner... much like our alliance in Iraq.