Rebel

what has changed? The apathy of Saints fans at large ensured th Trust failed last time - along with the personal jealousy, egomania and vitriol of certain people who didn't get involved from the start but wanted to destroy it or take it over

The Trust should organize an open meeting and invite people like Fulthorpe and Le Tiss to speak Only problem is Chorley, MacMillan and co will hijack the meeting, destroy any unity and scars off any sand investors or potential saviours Over the last 4 years those two and there cronies have done far more harm than good and a lot more than even they realise Little corporal syndrome I think it's called!

what are the odds on Stoke getting relegated now though! Delap, Higgi, Beattie - none of them are or were really trut Premiership class players! Sure Delaps learnt a trick in the long throw thing but he's a one trick pony for the most part Higgi - an aggressive tackler - but an awful tendency to lump it to nowhere Beattie - when he was younger with pace and energy - and gave it 110% maybe - not now though (ask an Evertonian)

I wonder why Lowe asked him that?

playing wingers on the wrong side playing midfielders at full back with no protection in front of them not playing a holding midfielder to protect a shaky defence putting square pegs in round holes not having a plan B

not as good as I hoped probably a little better at going forward than defending, and a slightly better passer than tackler a lot of room for improvement - but hopefully with a few games under his belt he will not as bad a James at right back though

Wilde is the most to blame for our current dire straits - he ousted Lowe with false promises, spent £7 million we didn't have, let Hone and his cronies takeover and make things worse ...and then Crouch had restored some kind of sanity at the club and brought in Pearson Wilde sided with Lowe out spite putting him back into power and allowing this stupid Dutch experiment to take us down Wilde needs to sell his shares and go back to Liverpool from where he came -and leave us alone

Griffit and Folly! 2 players that got away. Did the club fail them or they fail the club though? Personally I think we should have stuck with both of them and given them the time - and coaching - to progress at Saints. I thought when we got relegated they would become mainstays of our CCC team - along with Surman, Dyer, Cranie, Mills, Blackstock and Best! a 4-3-3 with Griffit, Blackstock and Best at the front, Surman and Folly in midfield would probably be a lot better than what we've got now or had in recent seasons

they said that at the time purely to push through the takeover by SISU - which was a bad deal for all of the shareholders - by putting pressure on them to accept the offer As part of the Saints Trust I had several face-to-face conversations with Hone, Hoos and Oldknow about the club living within its means we argued that not only was operating at break even and living with its means essential for the long term survival of SFC it was also the way to attract a buyer they disagreed and thought the only way was to throw more bad money after bad money and push for a play-off place to attract a takeover they seemed to ignore the fact we were in a relegation battle at the time at the time I really didn't understand where they were coming from - and could only think they had some hidden agenda

saying that Lowe has made things worse with his return by going Dutch - we'd be a lot better off now if Crouch was still chairman and Pearson still manager I'd like to see the back of Wilde first and foremost - but followed closely by Lowe and Cowan for good - and ultimately by yes men such as Jones! At least with Crouch you know where his heart is - and that he is trying to do the right things for the right reason - he may not always get it right it has to be said!

and that is probably the most depressing thing - if Lowe had stayed as Chairman we would probably be financially stable and have a better team full of young and promising players like Cranie, Mills, Best, Blackstock, Baird, Surman his vision of the academy and home grown players is a good one - its just a bit too late for it now! Wilde has been nothing but bad for this club and made a crisis into a disaster and a bad situation much much worse

Lowe got us relegated there is no doubt about that - with his penny pinching in the premiership, a squad full of journeymen and his 10 managers in 10 years and particularly with his choice of Sturrock, Wigley and Redknapp but Wilde and his execs put us in the state we are in now - facing relegation again and possibly adminstration. It was Wilde who ousted Lowe and Co and then appointed Hone, Hoos and Oldknow -and also promised to spend £7 million that was never there Hone & Co then ousted Wilde and continued to spend the £7 million that never was - even though they new it didn't exist - and it was the main reason they'd ousted Wilde this is what Crouch fell out with them about - spending money we didn't have and money which wasn't even theirs! Jones was and is simply a yes man - not a Financial Director

problem is we really needed a good young centreback at the time - and we still do yet again Mills and Cranie probably would have been much cheaper options - and probably just as good - not to mention Baird perhaps we should have played Cranie and Mills and offered them decent contracts (so they wouldn't have left us on tribunal fees) and not wasted our money on Thomas amd Davies maybe we should have kept Baird as well - in the long run he would have been a much cheaper option than Thomas or Davies even though at the time we needed the cash from his sale

and to think we got rid of Dexter Blackstock as result of bringing in BWP - probably a much cheaper and a better player!

well there were no Man U fans sat near me in the Chapel today (although there was a Pompey fans sat beside me with his Saints supporting son - he takes after his mum's side of the family apparently!) no problem with away fans watching the game in the home end (I've taken Man Utd, Liverpool, Plymouth and Reading fans to see their teams as St Mary's in the past) but if they are going to jump up and down when they score they are asking for trouble I remember seeing Chelsea and West Ham fans get clobbered at the Dell when sitting in the home end and celebrating a goal although when I took my Pompey brother-in-law to the Dell to see Saints beat them in the cup me and my mates had to jump on him when we scored to make it look like he was celebrating as some of the people around us picked up on the fact he was a Skate after he failed to 'celebrate' saints first goal and were less than happy about it our cunning plan didn't work and we had a few words with fellow Saints fans at the end of the game - luckily as there were 5 or 6 of us it didn't come to fisticuffs - but only just!

I'd get rid of Euell, BWP and McG all three of them have far more good days than bad on the football pitch sure BWP can look great in flashes but is scared of the physical side of the game - one heavy challenge and he's out of the game! and he rarely puts 100% in McG seems to think he's the Daddy! problem is he's not even the step son! he's got ability on the ball but a big time charlie attitude, a lack of pace, no movement of the ball and a glory hunters attitude to passing the ball Euell - he was good once - but I don't know how. seems he can barely control the ball nowadays best part of £20K a week wasted there! and then there's Dyer - all running around but no end product - certainly can't pass of cross the ball. And he's another player with a tattoo and diamond studded ear ring attitude to life we should have used the Portsmouth incident as an excuse to sack Dyer and BWP and saved ourselves the wasted wages!

Wilde got Ken Dulieu's company to do this - it was the whole point of him being Chairman - that's what his company do - forensic accounting, investigate fraud etc thing is they found nothing Lowe and Co took a lot of money out of SFC but it was all legal - high salaries for directors (exec and no-exec), large dividends for shareholders, lots of expenses and bonus payments for directors based upon financial performance, lucrative contracts for other companies owned by them (rebuilding the training ground anyone) you could argue that Hone, Hoos and Oldknow managed the club negligently - and against the shareholders wishes - but Wilde let them do this spending £7 million we didn't have, not sacking Burley, overpaying for and then overpaying palyers, not too mention their own over inflated salaries - but mainly running the club in the hope it would be bought rather than running it within its means

cant they all just f*ck off!

Now that Cork has gone and left us (and who can blame him?) can we get a right back in on loan or maybe even buy one!?! Cork going leaves Lloyd James as our only recognised right back in the first team squad - and even then he's an attacking central midfielder learning the position! It's not his fault but its not exactly his best position - and its a weak spot for other teams to attack! Bit like the left back slot if and when Skacel leaves! Lets hope Molyneux is brilliant! How about Phil Ifil from Colchester - he looked the part when he was here on loan? Or a premiership squad player on loan!?

Surman came very close to leaving for Reading in the Summer - and is thinking about leaving in the January transfer window he'd like to stay at Saints but he wants to play in the Premiership and improve as a player if Saints were looking at the play-offs he'd stay until the end of the season (and beyond) if we went up but we're not and he's got an England U21 place to think off and a career to make saying all that I'd be p*ss*d off if he went to another CCC club - even Reading - or a club like Stoke who look like they are coming back down again. If he went somewhere like Fulham or Everton I could understand it Even then its probably better for him to move in the Summer so he can get a pre-season under his belt at his new club same goes for Lallana and Schneiderlin

Surman to Reading Schneiderlin to Arsenal Lallana to Fulham Davis on loan to Newcastle Saga on loan to Reading Skacel on loan to Ipswich Euell/BWP staying at Saints! Seeing players like Jay Simpson and Kieran Gibbs go on loan to CCC rivals yet more 'we were unlucky today it was just on of those days' from Jan or player

[quote=aintforever;150141. My understanding of it is - because it is set up as an official trust then it gets certain privileges, like after every board meeting it gets a report on what happened by a board member. But because of it's official status it cannot, by law, criticise or campaign against individuals - only comment on policies etc.. that's complete rubbish - where do people get this stuff from!?A

well it looks like the Skates are in freefall so that wish may come true! I just hope we are still there to do the CCC double over them next season!

a fit Thomas would make a real difference - he was superb against Birmingham in the cup once he stopped trying to pass the ball and did the ugly stuff beautifully

we should try and get Baird back on loan if we can! we need some fire and steel in midfield/defence