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Some see what they want to. It's obvious to anyone objective that all but a tiny minority of the pro Palestine protestors came to protest peacefully and respectfully, and did, but that a great many more of the counter protestors came to cause to trouble, and did. The police have only deemed 3 of the l pro Palestine placards illegal. 3, out of 300,000. I spotted scores of counter protestors kicking off and inciting violence. Braverman whipped up the counter protesters and needs to pay the price.

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Which is odd given that hundreds of counter-protest demonstrators had "seemed intent on confrontation and intent on violence", but that they have issued photos of only three individuals it suspects of antisemitic hate crimes during the protest. That's 3 out of 300,000 or 0.0001% of the pro Palestine protestors who the police deem worthy of speaking to in the. Braverman needs to go after her words. On that, the Met boss said tensions had been increased by "a week of intense debate about protest and policing". He's being generous with his words. Keir Starmer was spot on though when he said "few people in public life" had recently done more to "whip up division, set the British people against one another and sow the seeds of hatred and distrust" than Braverman. Disgraceful scenes yesterday, mostly from the counter protesters who came along for a scrap.

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What was the proportion of idiots to well behaved protestors? I'd hazard a guess that it was extremely low.

I think she turned a likely shit show into a much bigger shit show. However you cut it, there will be trouble at any mass protests, and there'll always be an increase in volume when someone turns it up.

We'll never know how it would have gone if Braverman hadn't said what she said. My suspicion is a nowhere near as bad. The issue is the counter protests. In terms of the protest itself, the BBC have said "The protest itself remains peaceful. It is being well marshalled and police officers - from various forces - appear to be containing situations well." Sounds like it's not shutting down the counter protest that was the wrong decision. What did Braverman say about that one?

You said yourself that there's been violence at previous protests (last week) so it's obvious that there would be at any future marches, whatever else was happening that day. The met agreed that it should proceed. Armistice organisers agreed that it should proceed. Braverman through fuel on the fire.

No.

Kiddies world cup.

I agree, but he's probably as good a 4th choice CB as we could expect at this level.

Whether he's injured is a good question. Regardless, he ain't the answer.

But your point was that we had some violence last week. We'll have it at every major march where some dicks will kick off. It's always the case. Do you agree that Braverman has stirred things up? I'm not getting into a SoG discussion. It's tiresome. There's a big enough discussion to discuss.

Yep, that bench is all the reserves we've got defence and midfield wise.

What's that got to do with today Del? People are protesting, and some dicks are being dicks. What's your point?

As expected, including the nice little addition to the bench.

I've responded to your comments and views honestly (albeit toned down) and accurately Hypo. I can't help your thin skin being penetrated, and nerves being touched. That bit is on you petal.

Why? Because there's too much focus on posters on a bloody serious thread. Sure, Whelks "witch smeller" comment was unnecessary, and whilst I agreed largely with the relevant part of your post, your other point just inviting a row wasn't necessary either imo. I understand the sentiment though. There's nothing funny about your serious posts and I view those reactions, ditto th confused ones, as a reflection of those reacting.

"Only", no, but I have little doubt that it's a factor.

Indeed. France is a tinderbox at the best of times. He's got a tough job in balancing domestic and international politics. Sensible balance of words on this though imo.

His last para was unnecessary, but not the first.

Macron has essentially said that Israel have gone too far and need to stop. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/11/frances-macron-urges-israel-to-stop-bombing-and-killing-civilians-in-gaza

Proportionality

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