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All I can see is that a few people here have assumed that this was an attack in the name of religion, and others have assumed it's at least in part borne from the actions in Gaza against Palestinian Muslims. Whether it's more the former or the latter I doubt we'll ever know.

As has been said by I think Badger, this wasn't an attack on "us". It was a targeted attack on Jewish people.

The extension of people making points and asking questions to support their position, is that they often dampen contra points, often with criticism. Your comment that people who side with Palestinians are vile human beings is a case in point. The reality is that all extremists, and extreme regimes, delight in killing. That's not a "what about" comment, but rather an uncomfortable truth. I'm trying to avoid emotive language or rhetoric as what has happened today is bloody appalling so I'll resist expressing opinion about people who don't support the Palestinian plight.

The origins of this is religion, then it became about land, and then horrendous circular attack/retaliation. It's wrong to suggest that it's all about religion, and that Israeli action in Gaza has not increased the risk of attacks against innocent Jewish people.

I'm not making the side/side point. All I've said is that victims aren't necessarily on any side, and today's certainly weren't.

Indeed, and my point is that victims are often not on any side, and I don't read SoG as suggesting they were.

The same side as every innocent person who's gotten in the way of criminals , terrorists, rogue regimes, etc since the dawn of time.

Yep. I repeat my comment above - some people are focusing on a single position, making statements and asking questions relevant to just that position.

You talk as if it's one way. It isn't. I haven't read anyone condoning these killings. Acknowledging that it'll happen isn't condonation.

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Therein lies the issue in the debate - people focusing on a single position, making statements and asking questions relevant to just that position. The most simplistic answer is the perpetrator, but I'm not sure where establishing that takes things.

Indeed. It's plain that people determined to hurt or kill Jewish people will use the treatment of the people of Gaza (and the West Bank, and Lebanon) as an excuse for heinous attacks against innocent Jewish people. Very sad state of affairs.

Brass Eye passed me by, not sure how. Savage but brilliant clip. Never getting away with that now.

I'm not debating with you mate, it's pointless. I'm just explaining that you're a know it all who doesn't seem to know very much. Given what this thread is meant to be about, I'll bow out here, and on topic. All I'll add is that one thing that is wrong with America has found it's way here, and is highlighted by your ignorance. Their divisive left/right politics, with liberal and centrist views being erroneously viewed as leftism is a sad state of affairs. Sadly, people like you swallow that nonsense and our political "debate" is following the same course. Anyways, happy Saturday.

You don't understand true Conservative values, the meaning of socialism, and the centre ish of the political spectrum.

I forgot Phoenix Nights. Superb.

You wrongly attribute comments to people, so cut the mock outrage.

Don't forget my apology mate. Thank you.

Semantics mate. In your world, that's the same is saying it. Silly isn't it. An apology would be gracious.

Semantics, behave. If you agree with something Robinson says it's not you saying it. Jesus wept. When you're not ignoring questions you're either posting nonsense, making stuff up, or passing one person's comment off as anothers. Debate sensibly or stop wasting people's time.

I'm not Badger poppet.

If they jumped the queue I might, but I haven't called him a cunt.

As I said, if I was interested or the bloke was vaguely relevant to me, I'd investigate further. He's just another bloke, and his life experiences, opinions, family history, etc, is as relevant to me as those of the bloke in front of me in the queue at the petrol station. If you're interested in a nobody, crack on, but don't expect me or others to take an interest just because you do. Utterly pointless discussion tbh.

It's reasonable to form a view from commentary alone that the bloke is obnoxious and doesn't stand for what I do. If I was interested and/or the bloke was vaguely relevant to me I'd investigate further, but I'm not and he isn't. It's no more complicated than that.

Only Fools, Auf wiedersehen pet, minder, sopranos. In more modern times, breaking bad, Yellowstone, slow horses.