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That was dire. We're fucked.

Where's this herd immunity that you said we reached months ago?

We haven't got herd immunity...we're getting nearly 60k cases a day. Not your best post.

I'm so sorry for your loss winner. My thoughts are with you.

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I'm not disagreeing that unvaccinated people will inevitably be more likely to need hospital treatment. There's a selfishness in that respect by not being vaccinated, but the thrust of this thread is covid passports at football and that's a point that relates primarily to transmission at football. Its wrong to highlight vaccines as being relevant to that issue.

Of course, but it doesn't help sensible discussion if people conflate issues and assume that anti vaxxers dispute the existence of Covid. I know anto vaxxers who believe in covid, have had, test, and mask. Your refusal to answer my question tells me that you agree that mask wearing / tested non vaxed people are less of a risk than vaxed people who don't test or wear masks. The vax has become the focus whereas it should be people's behaviour.

Have you read anything else? There's article upon article (Google is your friend) telling us that viral load transmission is equal or broadly equal between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Sure, there's articles out there to support your argument, but taking a balanced view, it seems that the unvaccinated aren't the danger some would suggest. Who's the biggest danger to us, the unvaccinated who regularly tests and masks up, or the vaccinated who doesn't?

Yep. He was shot last season. Releasing him was the obvious decision. The posts on the Leicester forum are great, and not surprising.

Agreed. Who's the bigger danger - the unvaccinated who tests regularly and masks, or the jabbed person who never tests and doesn't mask up? It's the latter for me all day long.

Everything I've read tells me that vaccinated and unvaccinated people carry and transmit the same viral load.

Good post. I'm triple jabbed. I work with an anti vaxer and comfortable that he's no more a risk to me than the jabbed people I work with - all can carry the virus, and contrary to the spin, all would carry the same viral load. Personally I think he's nuts not to have the jabs for his own health, but it's his choice and who am I to argue against his choice. I don't agree that people like him should be ostracised and he'll be welcome at the works Christmas meal the same as anyone else. That guy regularly tests. He masks up where he should. That's what keeps me and others safe. It's those who don't do that who are the irresponsible ones that put others in danger.

Just been over there. They've really got the hump. "Worst player ever", "at fault for all the goals". Ha ha 😂

"Experiment" is conspiracy nut talk. It suggests a plan. Nobody has experimented. Sure, people will observe, study, comment, etc, but none of that amounts to an experiment. Can't really disagree with the last part though. The media have been pretty disgraceful.

It's mental isn't it. I'm not sure whether Boris is running on his own ideas, or he's being advised by idiots.

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Ha!! There's plenty of times in our exchanges where you've tried to wriggle from your own words. You do it with others. Tragic that you can't hold your hands up and accept you're wrong, although it is quite amusing that you can't.

I said the same the other day. Seems pretty obvious to me.

You have a habit of saying stuff and disputing it when your words get used against you. You're from the Boris school of denial.

Really? He'd sacrifice anything or anyone to save his ass. Agreed re the economy impact. Its the panic that it'll cause amongst many - I've had messages cancelling 2 Xmas parties this evening. No covid cases, no restrictions, just an injection of doubt. Shame for people happy to crack on with life, and awful for the restaurants and supply chain.

Who said they would? A shit attempt at deflection doesn't alter the intent.

Todays restrictions are exactly that. Last year's breaches are exactly that. Of course the two overlap, but I think you have to be rather naive to think that the intention and timing of this announcement was not to some extent motivated by a wish to create a diversion. Whether that works is another matter, but I'm quite clear that was part of the motivation. Others can disagree, umpteen pages of you're wrong / I'm right ain't going to change my view, and doubtless yours, ducks, Lighthouse, etc

Because these are different (new) restrictions and give people something else to discuss.

Takes the discussion away from that so it's got diversion written all over it for me.

I think for some, home is more effective for sure. I train, supervise and mentor others as part of what I do, so remote working makes it a complete ball ache all round. It is what it is though, we did OK in lockdown proper l, and we'll make the best of it.