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Nope. I read it. The difference between your comment and Turkish is that a) yours contained your usual condescending bollox and pointless reference to your snapdragon, and b) suggests that shielding the most at risk will actually work. Turkish acknowledged that we're a nation of entitled idiots saying of any effort to do that "then you’ll still have f*ck wits breaking them. " Sadly, you just whinge about how shit it is, but despite suggesting that there's loads of options other than managing as we have and opening things up completely, the best you can come up with is keep the vulnerable locked away. We've done that, pretty much, for 9 months and it hasn't worked. Yes it's shit, but let's be sensible and accept that as things stand, there's no sensible alternative to managing things as best we can pending mass vaccinations.

Yep. That would have worked, but we are a nation of entitled idiots. People everywhere trying to circumvent the rules, the spread is too wide to do that now, and people have shown themselves to be selfish idiots. Sensible debate on it on here - present company excepted - is pointless. Nobody likes where we are, anyone with half a brain knows that a free for all or something close to it will end up in carnage, you get the ridiculous comments that the NHS ain't coping anyway so we may as well open things up, but nobody can actually say what the credible alternatives now are. Weston has had a crack but can't go further than cramming the millions of elderly and infirm on boats, and Duck hasn't said anything other than some condescending waffle about his missus and offside.

Ronaldo? Neymar? Weren't they sold by those non selling clubs?

Putting all our vulnerable people on ferries is utterly ridiculous. That's why no other country has done it. Or would. Or could given the numbers involved. Thought of any actual alternatives to what we're doing or a free for all yet?

If this is how you explain stuff, your snapdragon has no chance of ever understanding offside. I'm no lockdown enthusiast. They haven't worked and won't. Opening it up won't work. What's this magical balance that nobody else has been able to find if it's not what has been happening between lock downs?

I'll ask the question again. Lockdown isn't working, you've said elsewhere that you're not suggesting a free for all, so what are you suggesting that we do?

Still no suggestions for how to do with the reality we face. What to do? Carey on as we are, crack on and hope for the best, or something else? If its the latter, what do you say it should be other than squeezing millions of people onto the IOW or ferries?

Barca sold Neymar, Real sold Ronaldo. Every club is a selling club if a player wants to leave.

Two ridiculous suggestions. It's not any of our jobs to solve the crisis, but nobody should shout something down where there is no sensible alternative available. I've read pages of whingeing on here, but not one sensible alternative to what we've got. Not one.

And what's yours? I've heard loads of complaints about the current situation, people claiming that they're not saying that they seek a free for all, but unless I've missed something, no suggestions about what they say we should be doing. I'm genuinely interested in options because lock downs ain't working, but a free for all won't work.

That response highlights that there's no creditable alternative to doing what we're doing or opening things up and taking our chances.

Jeez, you're obsessed pal. The game's over, we didn't get a pen, people have a different opinion to you, move on.

Such as?

Quite. People want their cake and eat it - an open society but an NHS capable of servicing that open society when thousands more need medical treatment. I'm baffled that people can't comprehend something so simple.

Of course it was borderline otherwise VAR wouldn't have looked at it for an eternity and then not given it. There's not one Saints phone who could honestly say that they would have been happy if a pen was given against us for that. Nonetheless, I repeat that we shouldn't have to rely on decisions like that to win football matches. Fulham were there for the taking and we weren't good enough on the day.

Yep. I'd have gone nuts if that was given against us. Besides, we shouldn't be relying on borderline decisions to win games against teams near the bottom of the league.

Duck, you miss the point. The NHS can't cope - see the link below. Opening society as we would all like, will spread the virus and put further strain on the NHS. It's a simple concept that you can't open society without putting further strain on a struggling NHS. If it's not a stark choice between doing what we have been, or opening up society in the knowledge that'll mean the NHS struggles more than it currently is, what is the way forward before we're all vaccinated and/or have herd immunity? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55454280

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Agreed. Stephens had a good game. We missed Vestergaard bringing the ball out and his long passes, but as a defender, I thought Stephens did very well. There's no denying though that the turnaround in Vestergaard is something else. If we was quicker on the ground and on the turn he'd have the lot, but not even Ralph can coach that into him.

Yep, lockdowns are doing nothing positive. But you make the contradiction that many do - you criticise lockdowns but highlight how the NHS isn't able to do its job. If you are suggesting that we fully open society / economy (bar protecting the vulnerable) and let the virus do its worst, that'll put massive pressure on the NHS and mean that it won't be able to treat all the Covid sufferers needing treatment, let alone anyone else. Are you asking for an open society or an NHS better placed to pick up and deal with new cancer cases? You can't have it both ways.

Thanks for that. The last 2 paragraphs are what people need to hear. There's such a huge focus on living or dying from this, not what some people have to live with, as well as a misconception that you'll only have issues if you're over 60 and/or have existing health issues. Yep, the vaccine roll out can't come soon enough. Until now I agree, the approach has been neither one thing or another, but that's probably about the best balance. Complete lockdown throughout would have been carnage MH wise, and financially. Complete opening up would have been complete carnage for the NHS. My main issue has been the high levels of indecision and delay.

That may be the only option. For me, it seems a stark choice of trying to keep the spread down as best we can but at great financial cost, or opening things up and dealing with it the best we can. I really can't see any other option. They're both appalling, but it looks like one or the other. Hospitals don't cure this stuff. Most people recover at home. Some have complications that may need medical care on an outpatient basis. Others have to go to hospital, get out of danger, then go home and access the NHS as when needed. Some die. Stats for all of that will take forever, but for now, the government must choose between a hard and a hard place, and get pelted whatever they do.

Moaning is always pointless, but that performance wasn't worthy of praise was it. Missing our new best CB shouldn't have been a great issue and defensively at least, it wasn't. Diallo and JWP in midfield should have been enough to dominate in there, but it wasn't. Our reject Reed played far better than Diallo. Adams was poor, Long shocking bar one shot straight at the keeper and an offside goal. We were poor in a game we should have won with the players available.

People are moaning because we were poor today. We looked disjointed, lacking in ideas, and no creativity. There can be no criticism of people for pointing that out.

No idea. What's your solution? Open up society and let people overwhelm the hospitals? You can't have an open society, reduced spread, but hospital beds for all who get ill.