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Nah, different words mate with different meanings, although both are the antithesis of progress. Regress is basically 2 steps forward and 1 step back. Retrogress is basically 2 steps forward and 1, 2 or possibly 3 steps back. Either way we ain't making progress.

I assumed the same re KBS. Personally I like the shape - a balanced 4-4-1-1. Not sure how I feel about Davis behind the striker though. I'd like to see someone there with the ability to pick out Gabbi's runs. JWP may do that, and MOI and Armstrong may have the ability coming in from wide positions.

It's worse than regression, we're retrogressing. That will always happen when progress is not being made. I think the reasons are those you list, plus confidence and like dalek says, with a few wins we'll make progress but on current form a win looks a long way off.

Did Koeman negotiate those deals or work the budget so the signings could happen? I'd hazard a guess Reed did more to oversee our rise than Ronnie did.

And bring who in? The theme on here for years has been get rid of X ( X = player/chairman/owner/manager etc) and replace with, er anyone, cos anyone would be better apparently.

Cheers mate!

Ta. He's still ****e though and needs a move.

I dunno really! I think MLG agrees he's ****e but he's confusing me and I got sucked into a MLG debate. It's a bit weird.

If the question was about giving stats to a statto, no mate, I have better things to do. Nice swerving of all my questions though.

Feck me, you've got too much time on your hands mate. Reading that, and noting that you're not actually suggesting that he'll improve our team, I have no idea what your point is! Pointless posting mate if you having actually got a point to make.

With what? That Reed did not feature in central midfield for the majority of there games? He didnt. That central midfield is not the heart beat of a football team? That any sensible manager would play his best available central midfielders in central midfield? That we have 6 senior central midfield players ahead of Reed? Go on statto, tell me on what basis you say Reed would improve our midfield and/or starting 11. Also, which of the 6 midfielders I've listed, who should Reed replace, and based on what?

Re read my post. I said he wasn't good enough for a place in the Norwich midfield for the majority of last season. They used him as a right back for many games - presumably they felt they had better midfield options in their mid table championship team. Based on that, and what I've seen of him on the pitch, I'm struggling to see any argument for how he'll improve our midfield and/or starting 11 overall. I'm also struggling to understand which of Romeu, Lemina, Hoj, JWP, Armstrong, Davis it is being suggested that Reed is a better option than. Is it really being said he offers more than any of them?

He wasn't good enough for a place in Norwich midfield for the majority of last season so do you really believe he'll improve our 1st team? Or that he deserves a place on the bench ahead of Romeu, Lemina, Hoj, JWP, Armstrong, Davis?

This. The club don't nurture, coach and pay youngsters for years in the hope of tossing them aside to sit on the bench at Yeovil or Forest Green or wherever. The club hope that they'll save/make them a fortune and help the 1st team. For me Sims ain't shown enough to suggest he'll improve our team. Hopefully he'll go onto to have a decent career though.

You remember a different performance to me. Fact is that saying that one player isn't great, doesn't suggest that another could do better. If you're gonna bring another player into a Sims discussion, make a proper case for Sims being a better option than that player.

Just saying what exactly? That because Redmond has no end product that Sims must suddenly be good enough? That's a ridiculous notion. The lad hasn't shown enough to suggest he'll improve our 1st eleven - Redmond was excellent second half against Burnley. Show me when Sims has demonstrated that he's above that level.

He has been given opportunities and not taken them. His last game in a saints shirt was for the u23 against Zagreb. He was awful and was given the full game. Players that are good enough should shine at that level. It's not as though he didn't try like boufal. To me he was a talented kid who is struggling to transition to senior football, a bit like Lloyd Isgrove before him. Whether a loan will help I don't know but it's a logical move.

Yoshida Vestergaard Stephens Bednarek Hoedt Not a great fan of Vestergaard cos of his lack of pace and speed on the turn, but he just about comes in second as he's decent in the air. Hoedt is a shocking player and if Vestergaard is in the side, either Stephens or Bednarek are better options imo than him.

Redmond was shocking last season. It's now this season. Redmond was excellent second half on Sunday. I've seen nothing in Sims in either 1st team football, or the times I've seen him in the u23's, to suggest he's at the level Redmond was against Burnley and/or that he'll improve our starting 11. Sure he's capable but let's not kid ourselves. Tell me when Sims has shown the ability to do better than Redmond last week, or otherwise has shown he'll improve our team. "Gallagher deserves a chance" has been done to death but not one person has pointed to anything other than a few goals at Blackburn a couple of years ago in the championship as a reason to support it. All this "Gabbi was rubbish" doesn't actually make Gallagher suddenly good enough or better. I mean Puel was a crap manager for us so anyone else must have been better right? Oh yeah.... I'm guessing that most of the people saying give the kids a chance have never watched a reserve or u23 game. I've watched many. The kids that have a future stand out at that level. Lallana was leagues above his peers. Le Tiss and Shearer before him. They make the game look easy and the premier league standard has increased massively since. The coaches and managers see these kids in the u23 games. They see how they do on loan. They'd play the youngsters if they were good enough. After all the kids aren't coached, nurtured, and paid to be released to go ply their trade at Yeovil but the reality is that is the best most of them can expect. There's too much ****** and sentiment on here.

Who's good enough, and who are they better than?

Spose he could be, but the point applies to him. He looked very average last night. You set the world alight in the u23's you probably get a chance. You look average and you won't. He looked average.

Why do you say Valery looks lost? He's a kid with promise who's learning his trade. He's not ready for premier league football. To say he's been overlooked is ridiculous. The pathway for the youngsters isn't blocked. None of them are good enough. You keep on about Gallagher and Sims but if you saw the u23 last night and compare it to Ings and Redmond on Sunday you'd understand why Gallagher and Sims aren't playing.

Same. Both full backs have something about them though, particularly Valery who is a prospect.

Your point was why didn't we loan him, not bring him in on a loan to buy. My point was perhaps that wasn't an option. Simple comment and I ain't getting into a long debate, or an irrelevant Carillo debate.

I've read that but didn't see the bit that said a straight loan was an option we declined which was the main point I was responding to.