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The need for schools as daytime child care is for the parents, many of who provide essential services for us all. I get that completely, however, the issue is whether that should come at the inevitable cost of the children widening the spread. It's a tough balance and we can all only hope that we've got it right.

SOG has been like a dog with a bone on this but he has a good point. My little one is still in school. She is in contact with countless kids and adults. She may well bring this disease into our home. My work necessitates me coming into contact with people - my little one going to school exposes those people as well as my family. Of course it'd be a pain if school shuts but we'd find a way, and frankly the bigger picture is best served by her being at home imo. My 18 year old is on her a level year. She wants her studies to finish, exams done so that she can plan for uni. She's in a state of flux. If exams are ditched and uni has to be put off it'd be **** for her and thousands of others, but tough, this is a crisis. It's obvious that we need to stop the spread, and it's obvious that if we continue to adopt the keep calm and carry on attitude, that we won't slow it down. Sure, essential service providers have kids in school but the need for them to have daytime child care is not the only consideration here.

Bless him. Sadly there'll always be a few idiots who refuse to accept what's actually going on. I mean, international governments are all in the business of overreacting and decimating their economies aren't they.

I thought that. It would be gracious of them to do that and if so that's different, but no way can the fa or premier league be selective.

Don't shoot the messenger, and don't judge the size of the iceberg by the size of its tip.

Sky news. Government advisers. On now.

Best case scenario = 250k UK deaths. Fecking hell.

Not often we agree. Very good ?

Financial expectations Hypo. Plenty of people have been banging on about us signing players. We ain't got the cash so the expectation can only be that Gao put it in. That was never gonna happen.

I always have been mate. I've just been realistic about what we can expect from him.

WHO are predicting 3.5% death rate. Flu is 0.2% 17.5 more deadly on WHO figures. Add in that it's seemingly much more contagious. Borders, cities, and countries don't get shutdown because of Flu. The response of many western countries highlights the seriousness of this stuff.

To be fair, my little one is in school. As a kid my understanding is that she could carry and pass on the disease symptom free. Whilst i's great that she's unlikely to suffer if she gets it, I may suffer if I receive it from her, and others I could pass it to. The Norwegian PM said to Norwegian kids "By being home you are helping other people not to be contaminated and get sick. It is important for those who already have a disease, or who are very old." That makes sense. Sending kids out there to catch something to pass to others is monumentally stupid imo. If our approach is correct, pretty much everyone has to be wrong.

Nail. Head. Saved me the bother, thank you.

It's also in the guardian, but it's simple maths based on Merkel predicted 80% infection rates, and the 60% for the herd immunity figure. Obviously we'll have nowhere near the beds we need. Hence the imminent requirement for the over 70's to hide away and not get ill, thus not need a non existent bed.

Not my numbers mate. Merkel suggested 80% infection rate in Germany. We've not been given any predictions here and in truth nobody knows. 60% has been mentioned as the figure needed for the herd immunity model. We're told 1 in 5 will need hospital care. There is no predicted death rate but its 7.3% in Italy, although that's based on confirmed cases and doubtless there's masses of unreported cases which would dilute the body count. Countries are being closed down for good reason. This ain't the cold many still think it is.

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Yep, football is irrelevant for now. If 60% infection rate is to be expected, and say 3% overall death rate, that's a lot of bodies. The only way to get the body count down is to keep infection rate down you would think.

I'll reply to this post then leave you to it. You're confusing Gao with a multi billionaire with money to burn on a hobby. SFC ain't a hobby. It's a business. He ain't a multi billionaire. Business men do not throw money away. It's really not a difficult concept.

Common sense is lost on him mate. There's not one business man in the world who'd inject tens of millions into a business knowing it'll never come back. But Gao should do that apparently.

Gordon, we've done this to death. You consistently misquote me and fail to see any argument other than yours. You think the club should sign players. I say I'd love them to, but as I can read a balance sheet and have a bit of common sense, I accept we can't. We both want a different owner. I've said that several times but you appear to think I'm a fan of his. Bizarre. In case you haven't noticed, there's a bit more going on in the word. I'm not interested in trying to debate with someone as blinkered as you. I'm more interested in stuff that actually matters.

SOG, I get that. As I've said, I have folks in their mid 70's, both with respiratory issues, one of them acute. I hate the idea of them being caged in for months, but I'd hate them to die on a trolley through their own inability to do as requested. I don't like this deflection from the issue by referring to other issues. This is a single, and bloody important, issue.

Completely different issue Whelk, but I agree, the panic buying and stockpiling is outrageous. But I won't die if someone buys too many loo rolls and I have to use a rag. I will if someone ignores sage advice and catches it cos they "need" to take their car for an mot and take the bed I could have had if they weren't so selfish.

I'll answer your first point. The other two are daft. Anyone that takes a hospital bed through their own selfish stupidity is a threat. That bed could have gone to someone else who hadn't been selfish. That bed could have been for me or someone I know. We all have a responsibility in this situation - being selfish/stubborn and prejudicing others is downright irresponsible.

This. As an addendum, it's the sheer selfishness of knowing that they could be taking a hospital bed / respirator / doctors from someone else that I can't get over. Car mot though, ffs. Get a mate to take it. Get the garage to collect it. Just don't be selfish.