Lord Duckhunter

I would say it's a logical conclusion of poor education and a lack of joined up thinking from Governments the past 20 years. We have a million young people out of work and we have shortages in the NHS. If, as the post you replied to said, Labour made an effort to attract Nurses/Doctors from overseas why didn't they make a particular effort to educate and persuade British students to become Doctors and Nurses? Then when the overseas people left, we would have the young people with the skills to fill those roles. 1 million youth unemployed, a hole in the NHS workforce, yet it's all the fault of an immigration clampdown?

The Tory faithful were blinded by "Dave" , they wanted a Tony Blair clone. They ****ed up by binning DD

Watching that clip takes me back to an interview I heard with John Lennon in which he claimed the swinging sixties was a myth for most people. He said there was a few hundred hip people , but the rest of the country were still "squares". If you look at the people in the clip he has a point. Bloke with a pipe, bowler hatted types and the police look like something out of the 1950's. The 60's passed a lot of people by, my old fella said to me he was too busy working and raising us to enjoy it. Looking at the clip of the crowd and it does seem that the ordinary man is so much more chilled and not so uniformed nowadays.

I had always bought into this " Gove's a tool" line pedalled by others until I saw him on Question Time, he came across as passionate about education, self deprecating, polite and honest. He seemed to go down quite well with the audience, who seemed to warm to him. He has an unfortunate manner about him, but I was quite impressed with him and extremely impressed with his desire to improve educational standards.

Lallana , Maloney, or both?

A pitch invasion should be a spontaneous outpouring of joy at going up, winning something, getting to the play off final or staying up etc . We're going to look like a right noddy club if we have one , especially if we lose Sunday. Last week Man Utd and Everton were on match of the day and got the tone just right, lets hope we manage to do the same. I'm sure the players will be embarrassed as well.

When Ukip top the European elections next year, what's your excuse going to be then. You can't use the excuse that people are only hearing one side of the debate as the whole debate will be about European issues. You can't hide behind number of seats won, as the vote is proportional. People like you are going to have to find some really ingenious ways of spinning the pathetic results the pro EU lib/dems and labour will achieve.

Although he had a bit of a shocker last night, I've always rated Scharner. He's pretty versatile and is a good old pro, the type I think you need round the club as a squad man. Not going to happen as he doesn't fit the profile we seem to go for. People like samba , Remy, waste of time. One from qpr , is Townsend , i know he's a spurs player, but maybe if they make champions league they may go up a level in terms of signings and he becomes surplus. Don't see anyone at Reading. I would take Maloney any day. One ex Wigan guy I would take a punt on is Hugo Rodallega, I think he'd fit into our style and I jol isn't getting the best out if him at Fulham.

I didn't think 39 would be enough and I'm glad I was proved wrong. Instead of all this Wigan love in from the media, Niall Quinn sounded like he wanted to have Dave whelans love child on sky, their supporters should be asking questions of their players and management. To play like they did against Swansea and then perform so well Saturday and for 60 minutes Tuesday, would seriously **** me off if I was a Wigan fan. When you look at sheite like Norwich and Sunderland the past month, you have to wonder how they didn't catch them up. Unlucky against spurs, but Swansea home should have been a Ginnie. Total bottle job from them that night. We went down and west brom and Bryan Robson were dog turd, and they must feel the same way in the cold light of day.

Crow's position has been known for ages, he was on QT months back and basically has the same position as Nigel F. Uncontrolled mass immigration from poor Eastern European states is harming the job prospects and wages of ordinary unskilled/low skilled British workers. Just goes to show that no matter how hard the BBC and establishment try to portray it as a right wing "golf club" issue , it's a lot more fluid than that.

Peach on Talk sport; Cortese wants backing for his ambitions. Libherr's don't understand football and don't understand his ambitions. Peach reckons he is capable of delivering. Need high profile signings to deliver Cortese's plans Have been suggestions that the family may sell, but he'd be surprised. Devolopments (possible) today and things maybe ironed out and Nicola may stay,

Discussing it on Hawksbee and Jackobs now. Simon Peach

Surely someone with a bit more wit than me could sort out an original chant for him. He's got a girls name ffs, surely a terrace wit could do something with that. I don't really sing much.I'm happy with owts, wtfiln and clapping , with the occasional come on you reds thrown in. But don't mind what others sing , its a free country. Just wish they were a bit more original.

You can't beat WTFILN for the skates. Sums it up totally, take a song of there's, and give it a twist. It works because its so close to the mark. I don't mind this new one, its ok , but id hate WTF to die out.

Labour will be forced to go into the election matching the Tory pledge for an in/out referendum, they will not have the nerve to tough it out and not promise one. The lib/dems had one in their last manifesto, so would be strange not to also have that pledge. The establishment don't want one of course, and their get out will a coalition. All establishment parties pledge will be slightly different, and contain the proviso that "they form the next government". Now if you're correct and labour romp to victory, they will be stuck with a 2017 referendum, which will cast a shadow over everything political. Its also a referendum where labour could be on the losing side, its hard to see millliband continuing after backing an IN for economic reasons , only for the public to reject that. I really believe that an outright win at the next election could be a poisoned chalice. There's a lot to play out and its premature to think labour have it in the bag. Not least the independence vote in Scotland, salmond could be the Tory saviour yet . Also the economy could show real signs of recovery by election. And finally there's the prospect of some sort of Ukip / Tory pact, there's no doubt a united right could hang onto power. The real drama will play out in next years European elections, if Ukip top them, then the establishment really will be panicking.

This would be mine, and it was free.

Had Holt banging that Peno in, they might not of been good enough. They were only good enough because we defended better as a unit and played well going forward. When we had games we played poorly in, we couldn't keep sides out. At other times we should have seen the game out but didn't, Stoke away, Wigan away. Until we start nicking games we're average in, we'll never progress. With our present Centre half situation, that isn't going to happen.

Our dead ball situations have been woeful with lallana and Gaston the worst culprits. The only bloke who looks like delivering a decent ball is Fox. We don't play with wingers that get by the full back and whip it in early, we cant deliver a dead ball, and people wonder why Lambert isn't knocking a few more in. Have our centre halves scored this season, have they even got a header on target? We're not Barca, we should be getting more goals from set pieces.

Ken Bates did the same at Chelsea, there was rumours they were days away from admin when he sold up.

But going up through the leagues they had a wage bill way above what they could afford. They would never have won the cup if they hadn't gone through the leagues like that. Same with Fulham, they had KK as manager in Division 3 FFS, did they cheat to get into the Premiership?

Neither did the Skates in 2008. If Wigan go into administration in 2 years time, will they have cheated to win this seasons FA Cup?

There's nothing wrong with that whatsoever, but surely its wrong for the said benefactor to want rules brought in to prevent others following suit. I couldn't give a shiny shiete how Wigan finance themselves, whether they get a loan , whether they over spend or how they run their business, provided its an equal playing field and other clubs are allowed to emulate them. My original point was in answer to the quote that it was great to see them win it fairly and not cheat as the skates did. I merely pointed out that in 2008 the skates were run on a similar basis. In my opinion neither cheated, but saying the skates cheated but Wigan somehow won it in some sort of fairy tale honourable way is nonsense.

They couldn't emulate Wigan because he wanted wages capped at a % of turnover. Going up through the leagues he financed the club enabling them to pay higher wages than the cap he is calling for.

Lets wait and see where Wigan are in 5 years time, if they're skint, in administration and back where a club of their size should be, can we backdate our "cheating " claims to todays win? I've no particulary wish to defend the skates, but I dont see much difference between the skates of 2008 and Wigan today. As for using others money, did man Utd cheat?

I think you are all being a bit harsh on the singers, one of them had a particularly nice pair of tits.