Lord Duckhunter

Tony Blair called people oppossed to the Euro "extremists".

What a load of pony. Nearly every Lib/Dem did and still does believe we should join the Euro, and dont forget Labour's offical policy was to join when the time was right. It is Labour supporters who are against the Euro, most of their leaders were for it. The argument has always been that you can not have a currency union with economy's as diverse as Greece and Germany. Many Many Tories were against the ERM and against maastricht, both which played massive parts in the birth of the Euro. To claim the people who were right about the Euro all along, were right only because of some xenophobic principle is disingenuous.The Tories fought a painful and bitter battle over maastricht between Euro realists like Taylor, IDS , Redwood ect against Clarke, Major, Pattern and Heseltine. They fought this over principle, and were proved right. Nick Clegg and Ed Milliband are so wedded to idea they can not bring themselves to rule out joining the Euro in future.I doubt if Clarke or Hestletine can either. Yet these very people will be the ones that tell us we can not leave the EU.

The Greeks were able to borrow money at German interest rates for one simple reason. The markets did not believe the term of the maastricht treaty would be kept. The Maastricht Treaty that all the EU signed up for amended the terms of membership to allow the setting up of the Euro. The treaty had a “no bail-out, no exit, no default” clause. It also set out the terms and conditions of Euro membership. The markets never believed that the no bail out clause would be stuck to, so were happy to continue to lend, safe in the knowledge that they would get most if not all of their money back, and that the EU "project" was more important than any silly rules. There were people in the UK who oppossed the Maastricht Treaty, people who were called extremists and loons. They have been proved right and it was the accusors who have been proved wrong. The Germans and French broke the strict borrowing rules first and the rest followed suit. The Greeks, Italians ect, could not comply with the strict entrance criteria so fudged the figures. All that Gordon Brown did was refuse to fudge the UK's figures. He was for the Euro, he was for the UK's entry to the Euro when the economy was in position for us to enter. He was wrong about the Euro. He was for the Euro for Greece, for Spain, for Ireland and in principle for the UK. What on earth are you thanking him for, not fudging the figures, that's like thanking someone for not robbing your house. When the Euro (which Brown supported) collapses and takes our GDP down by 4/5%, are we going to thank him then. "Thanks Gordon, our GDP fell by 5%, whereas it could of fell 10% had our economy been aligned to allow membership of the Euro). We shouldn't be thanking anyone, we should be saying sorry. Sorry to people like Bill Cash, John Redwood , Teddy Taylor & IDS, we should be saying sorry we should have listened to you and strangled the whole thing at birth . Idiots like Major, Clarke, Hestletine and Pattern, aided by Labour and Lib/Dem Euro fanatics all thought the Euro was a good idea.They are the Peter Storrie's of modern politics.

It all depends on how much money we have to spend. I know Green is a free, but there must be a budget for wages. If signing Green means that we can not strengthen in other areas, then I'm against it. My personal opinion is there are other areas of the team that need looking at , before we spend a shed load of money on a new keepers wages. There is not much difference between Kelvin and Green, so if money is limited I would rather we got one who will be paid less, and kept Kelvin as number 1.

1. What do you think of her family and their morals 2. What do you think of the Syrian regime. If the regime last 200 years, will that make what they are doing now ok? 3. Do you think the first born son should be automatically be given a job, no matter what they do or whether they deserve it. How would you feel if your MP died and was automatically replaced by his/her son?

Spot on......... In any other walk of life Prince Phillip would be a considered a disgusting racist, and senile old fool. Prince Andrew would crawl back under the rock he came from. Even old Lizzies sister went round the world like some sort of slut groupie. The Queen must run the most dysfunctional family in the country, if it was some sink estate family, Dune would be up in arms about them. Yet we need to fawn and bow to them. Perhaps the old fashioned monarchists amongst us enjoy being subjects. Why is Assad in Syria such a bad regime, when he’s only doing what our Royals did for hundreds of years? Is it the time difference, in 300 years time will Syrians be waving flags and bowing to his family, saying what an inspiration they are? If you were setting up a nation now, you wouldn’t dream of putting 1 family as head of state, have a system where the oldest son inherits the role and you have to be of a certain religion. It may have been ok in medieval times, but surely we’ve all moved on from that?

I am not angry about the Monarch, just find it a bit strange. All we keep reading about is Gideon Osborne and Dave Cameron being “out of touch”, posh boys running a cabinet of millionaires.Yet we fawn and bow to the poshest, most out of touch people in the world. people’s view seems to be, lets get rid of the house of Lords, lets judge people on their merits, but lets leave the Queen to reign over us subjects. It is inconsistent. At least the Republican’s views are consistent.

She's been at it again.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18325382

My Fav whipping boy now is Harding. When he came on for the home game against Skates I turned to my lad and said "that's it, 2-2". Turned out I was right......... Previously, Stuart Ripley (who made it worse by once telling me to **** off) Colin Clarke Dave Beasant Anyone who I considered to be Branfoot's blue eyed boys. Mick Mills The past few years it's maybe easier to list the players who weren't on my "not good enough" list. One guy I rated but the guys who sat with me used to moan about all the time was Magillton. Whenever he passed the ball sideways or back, they'd go mad.

SAF said that Rio was incapable of playing 3 games in quick succession, perhaps Rio should tweet Sir Alex asing him to keep his nose out of England selections. Carrick refused to go on the stand by list, so once there were drop outs Woy could hardly turn to him. As for Richards, I rate him, but Capello and Woy clearly dont and I think they know a bit more about it than us.

"Cutting your nose off to spite your face", would indicate that I really wanted to watch and join in, but I dont. I can think of anything worse than watching people harking back to the 1950's . As for the concert, Paul McCartney, Jools Holland & Stevie Wonder are the only 3 worth watching, and I've seen Paul in the 70's and 90's, so maybe wont even do that. I can see nothing worse than watching second rate washed up has beens like Tom Jones, Annie Lennox, Gary Barlow & Shirley Bassey, together with lightweight pop acts like Kylie, Robbie Williams and JLS?. To make things even worse that bore Cliff Richard will muscle in and no doubt that other long serving Queen, Elton will put in an appearance. ****ing hell, is that the spirit of rock and roll, playing in front of the establishment and a load of middle class people waving flags. Time for the revolution.............

What a load of old pony.

I wish Rio F would just STFU.

But the pays good, and your kids are sorted for life even if they are wasters. Your other half is also allowed to go round the world insulting people, and getting paid for it. Sitting through a boring peasants procession, is a small price to pay. [video=youtube;o60W286cm-E]

Vinyl making a comeback? Let's hope not. I dont really understand the nostalgia around records. 45's were a pain in the arse to keep getting up and changing. Even if you did have an arm that held a few at a time they either slipped or too many fell at once. 33's were as bad. Had to be held very carefully in case of a scratch, bloody fluff on the needle, and you couldn't skip the shiete songs without getting up. Give me downloads anyday, maybe the sound isn't as good, but it is to my ears and it's portable. The ONLY thing great about records was sitting there looking over the sleeve, whilst you listened to the sounds.

But are we better off because of the EU, or despite the EU. Surely the standard of living would have increased anyway with the advent of cheap debt, easier mortgages and a global economy. All thing's that would have happened anyway, and certainly would have done so if the EU had remained a trading bloc. It has certainly brought real benefits to Ireland, Greece, Spain and Portigual (although they are paying it back in spades at present), I'm just not so sure that we have benefitted. My opinion has always been about accountablility, that Parliament should be sacrosanct and that legislation should start and finish in this country.

So you've gone from "The Labour Party" to "The Labour left". The simple fact is the PM, most of the cabinet, the opposition and all the newspapers pushed for a yes to remain in the Common Market. It was a con job on the British people. When Prince Phillip pointed out that the CAP favoured the French and was badly managed he was called a "chump". The establishment used all it's force and cunning to lie and cheat the British to vote yes. What they said was "unthinkable" in 1975 is now the EU that we know and "love" today. The reason why Europe is such a toxic mess for The UK, is because there has not been a proper vote on the powers that the EU have now. No vote on transfer of sovereignty, no vote on expansion, no vote on EU arrest warrants and the like. The British people are treated like mushrooms by the establishment, told what's best for us and called sceptics & extremists if we dare to question the route the EU is taking us down. Who are the people banging the drum for Europe, who are the people telling us that to leave the EU would be a disaster, the very same people who wanted us to join the Euro (and in most cases still do). Who was right about the Euro, Ken Clarke?, Nick Clegg?, Simon Hughes?, Tony Blair? Hestletine?, or was it people like Benn, Redwood, Farage and Bill Cash? Those chumps Who wanted us to join the Euro in prinicple , are the same people telling us how we cant leave the EU. They are like a travel agent who recommended a nice trip on the Titanic saying "ok I got that one wrong, but this Hindenburg air ship is the future, I can highly recommend it". I wouldn't trust them to run a bath, let alone a Country.

Wilson and most of the Labour cabinet supported a yes vote, so it's just not true that The Labour party wanted out in '75. That vote was to leave a common market, not a European Union. Had the peole known which direction Europe was headed , there's no doubt that they would have voted to come out.In fact they were specifically told that there would be no loss of national sovereignty, that they were joining a trading community and that Parliament would still remain the supreme legal authority in the UK.

But the problem is it is not the same Europe that we joined or the same Europe that we voted to stay in. It has been changed by the Euro extremists under the cover of tidying up and enlarging treaties. Euro loons always want an in/out vote because that's the only one they have a chance of winning.If the British people had been asked at every stage of further intergration they would have voted no, and unlike the Paddy's no would have meant no.The British people want what we signed up for, a Common Market. The extremists know this, so wont allow any vote other than in or out. Not that we will get an in/out vote. They wont want to take the chance of their precious project being thrown out, so will not allow a vote unless 100% sure of winning it. There will be excuses and delay's, every major party may well have the committment to an in/out vote, but I bet there's no timescales promised.

Simon Hughes ran one of the most disgusting homophobic by election campaigns ever. It was also one of the most hypercritical, because he later came out as a sausage jockey himself (after lieing about it, at first). Charles Kennedy, good one. I like Oliver Reed, but I wouldn't want him leading a major political party. How can anyone praise Lib/Dems on a thread about Europe. This is the party, that not only wanted the UK to join the Euro, but still wants us to join.After all that's gone on,they still want us to join. Charlie Kennedy believeing that, I can understand, but most of them believe it when they're sober........

I've already volunteered to work, double time, and on call over 4 night's. I can then use the lieu days I also earn to spend time with my friends and family. Thank god I will miss the "celebrations". Anyone would think we were still living in the 1950's. Dont forget to doff your cap, when Queenie comes on the TV screens.

The reason people want memberships is very simple really. The last couple of season's tickets have been sold for the big games to anyone on the data base and an extra one for S/T holders. Therefore someone who had been just once in the past 10 years, had the same chance of getting a ticket as someone who goes to 10 games a season. Some people dont think that's fair (including myself). Previously, tickets went on sale to members first, and although not ideal, was certainly fairer than data base sales. If we do the same next season, it could mean someone who hasn't seen 1 game since relegation, getting a Man Utd ticket before someone who watched 25 League 1 games. There can not be anyone who thinks that's fair, surely? As pointed out earlier in the thread, all sales are recorded on the data base, so I cant see why it's beyond the wit and wisdom of the TO to sell tickets based on this (ie, people who have attened 6 games or more in the prvious 12 months can apply a week before people who haven't). The obvious flaw in any membership is that anyone can join, pay £20 and just go to watch Man Utd or Chelsea. My solution to that would be to charge £85 for membership, but knock off £10 for the first 8 games you attend and charge £5 admin fee. There are a lot of loyal supporters who attend a lot of games, but not enough to make a S/T viable. Falling into that categary myself it does annoy me that I am part of the data base scramble for tickets. Although I am thinking of getting a S/T this season and trying to pass it on to mates, when I cant make it.

Wake me up when it's all over. Why are councils wasting tax payers money on this rubbish? If the Royals want a celebration , they should pay for it out of the millions they've robbed off working people over the years.

Correct. The Chairman of Swansea was on talksport earlier today.Was asked about Sigurdsson & said the the clubs had agreed a fee, but that he was on holiday. He said "he has gone away to Europe on holiday and that has delayed the finalising of it". The funny thing was that Alan Brazil an ex pro just accepted that, did not waffle on about "why can't he fly in, sign and then go back on holiday".

There was a programme about pricing the working man out of football a couple of years ago on 5live. It stated that in the 1970's it cost the same to go to a match as it did to go to the cinema. How much does it cost to visit the cinema now, compared to football. Dont know if it's true, but that's what some expert said.