Theres an interesting side-point in what Turks says about whether or not its natural for two men to raise a child, and the subsequent argument. No, its clearly not, but then again its not natural for people to be successfully treated for serious diseases like cancer, or for somebody infertile to have a child via ivf, or for that matter, for loads of people in their nineties to have survived into their nineties. In the 'natural' course of things loads of people are alive today because of unnatural intervention than would otherwise be. I happen to agree that its not ideal for two men to raise a child together, but at the same time the spectre of 'is it natural' is a bit cloudy, I mean is it 'natural' for a human to fly to another continent? Or type something on a forum such as this? We do it because we can and we wish to, if two men want to raise a surrogate child and the law of the land allows it, its a bit hard imho to argue against their right to.