MarkSFC

But is Kop Football Ltd "intrinsically linked" to LCF Ltd???!!!!!

I thnk part of the problem, particlarly for clubs outside the Premiership is the "transfer windows". This restriction on trade means that clubs cannot "bail themselves out " say in October...or March, if they find themselves in difficulty. During the "no transfers allowed" months the only real way to get money is by borrrowing...catch 22 for most. IMHO the immediate removal of the transfer window will benefit clubs more for financial and existance reasons, than for the supposed reason of "fairness" that the powers thought it would create on the playing side of things.

OMG!!! You really are so very negative! I have never understood people like you who are so pesemistic before you know the facts....whats the point? Are you one of those "I told you so" people who love the attention? You are definitely not alone on this forum but I think this is probably one of the most negative posts I have read. I dread what it must have been like being/knowing you through all the much darker days of the last three months or so or even longer. OR have you been having the time of your life telling everyone "I told you we'd get relegated from Premiership...I told you Lowe would come back....I told you we'd get relegated from CCC.....I told you we'd go into Administration" PATHETIC mate....its people like you that set barriers in life that never achieve greatness....tell enough people something enough times and they believe it..... BET you any money Ronaldo, Kaka, Tiger, Nadal...etc etc. never think like that.

THAT would be MY worst nightmare!! Woods IS the best in his chosen field....RL never has been!

As I said, Ferguson is unlikely. You clearly have a very negative outlook on life. I pity you. Cant remember if Coppell has, but Ince and DF have already managed in League One so maybe the retard quip is more suited to someone who has clearly got annoyed over someones "wishlist". IMO (and maybe I should PM you to get your approval first?) Saints are potentially going to be a very exciting project going forward (assuming everything pans out) so there WILL be huge interest in the managers job, that if it ever went public. My belief is that if MLT is involved, the wheels will alrready be in motion.

Dowie would be just ok. My hope is any of these (in order of preference): 1. Tisdale 2. D.Ferguson(even though unlikely!) 3. Coppell 4. Ince 5. Magilton NOT WOTTE!!!

Does anyone take what you read in The Echo as gospel anyomore........they turned into just another tabloid in regard to Saints years ago when they went "Daily" rather than evening, and dare I say it, G.Hiley went to Saintsfc.co.uk Well gone are the days of reading the Echo to "find out the truth"!!!!!!

I think what was said by Mark Fry was that agreement HAS been reached with all ceditors and "Legal Diligence" is taking place. I understand these to be that what is said to be owned by SLH/SFC etc IS legally owned by those parties. I took this to mean that ALL financial DD had been concluded. I imagine its now Lawyers working instead of accountants. I would also hope that "football plans" see being out into place so that it will be all systems go the moment of completion and announcement!

I think what was said by Mark Fry was that agreement HAS been reached with all ceditors and "Legal Diligence" is taking place. I understand these to be that what is said to be owned by SLH/SFC etc IS legally owned by those parties. I took this to mean that ALL financial DD had been concluded. I imagine its now Lawyers working instead of accountants. I would also hope that "football plans" see being out into place so that it will be all systems go the moment of completion and announcement!

Posted on another thread The start of season attendances will be based on several things; 1) Who takes over ownership, and their percieved wealth/ambition. 2) Who is Manager 3) Who the players are and whether there is any feel good factor about signings 4) The ST and MD price As far as pricing is concerned, the new owner(s) should offer a decent price, say £253 per season (£11 per game), if you purchase a two year ticket. A one year ticket 2009/10 should be £299 (£13 per game). A MD ticket should then be £16 per game in advance or £20 on the day Based on these prices I believ there would be in the region of 10-12K TWO YEAR ST holders and 4-6K ONE YEAR ST holders. So, on the lower estimate that would generate attendances of 14K and revenue form tickets of at least £3.73million. At the upper estimates it would generate attendances of 18K and revenue of £4.83 million. Attendances between 14 and 18K are very realistic and would still create a reasonble atmoshere because those figures do not include any away support, of which we will probably do well on because of SMS and thappeal to away fans. With a wealthy owner, a good manager and two or three "nice" signings I can see our attendances average over 20K next season BUT IMHO the owners have to get the prices right to start with! They need to recognise the S*** we've had to put up with and the climate we are in and be fan centric. Any new owner worth his salt needs to have a five year plan to return to the Premiership before he can even begin to think abouth making any ROI, and so he needs to get the fan base built up very quickly to help in that plan. We will see..........hopefully!

You make it sound all so simple. I'm an "A", always ahve always will be. Unfortunately because I need to pay the bills my job means working Saturdays so I cant attend as much as I would like. However, I "follow home and away without fail" - always have, always will - either on the phone, internet or radio, or tv. My work during games is shoddy!! A Fan in my opinion is ANYONE who loves the club. You cannot catagorise them, other than optimists, pesimists, ****s, hooligans, students(of everythig SFC), opinionated, etc. etc. I know "fans" who go every week but know SFA about players, about the goings on, does this mean that they are not fans?!! There are also people who dont go who "know everything" because they live, eat,and sleep Saints. Who is the better fan???? A, B, C, or D Eurosaint???

It was Bitterne Park, my brother played against him for his school (who were national champions) and he wasnt very "standout" at 15/16 (unlike Franny eg), which is apparently why Saints didnt take him and the Skates did!

He wouldn't be my first choice but he is definitely a good option. As others have said on here, he has ties down here and it would probably be an excellent job for him to build a club up from scratch. If he's serious about being a top manager one day then where better to start?!! Even if in two or three seasons he went back to the Toon, it would mean he'd have done a great job for us. With a good owner with a proper vision and plan he would be a good choice because it would certainly be easier to get players. But...lets worry about having a club first!!

I didn't actually say "excited" because I agree that some if not all of our potential signings will be relatively unknown to most of us. Signings will be the indicative of the new manager and available funds so "the feelgood factor" will come from the trust and popularity of the new manager, hopefully Tisdale and the new owner(s). I doubt we will get "excited" about a signing for 2 or 3 years at least!!!

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The start of season attendances will be based on several things; 1) Who takes over ownership, and their percieved wealth/ambition. 2) Who is Manager 3) Who the players are and whether there is any feel good factor about signings 4) The ST and MD price As far as pricing is concerned, the new owner(s) should offer a decent price, say £253 per season (£11 per game), if you purchase a two year ticket. A one year ticket 2009/10 should be £299 (£13 per game). A MD ticket should then be £16 per game in advance or £20 on the day Based on these prices I believ there would be in the region of 10-12K TWO YEAR ST holders and 4-6K ONE YEAR ST holders. So, on the lower estimate that would generate attendances of 14K and revenue form tickets of at least £3.73million. At the upper estimates it would generate attendances of 18K and revenue of £4.83 million. Attendances between 14 and 18K are very realistic and would still create a reasonble atmoshere because those figures do not include any away support, of which we will probably do well on because of SMS and thappeal to away fans. With a wealthy owner, a good manager and two or three "nice" signings I can see our attendances average over 20K next season BUT IMHO the owners have to get the prices right to start with! They need to recognise the S*** we've had to put up with and the climate we are in and be fan centric. Any new owner worth his salt needs to have a five year plan to return to the Premiership before he can even begin to think abouth making any ROI, and so he needs to get the fan base built up very quickly to help in that plan. We will see..........hopefully!

Been saying Tisdale for weeks!! Be very happy if he does turn up, cravate and all!! Hopefully bring Perryman too

These are things you would expect any decent manager to do. He's "telling the world" to sell himself to any potential new owner and more probably a potential new employee at another club. He will no doubt IMO be thinking that his time is limited so he's "obviously" going to spin himself, so to speak! God luck to him but if he's our first team manager next season, we're doomed!!!

17th June

There are definitely ways round mob rule, by putting in stringent election rules, but its not going to come to that...I hope! Couldn't agree more with these sentiments, EVERYONE previously involved in any decision-making capacity should go in a total clean sweep. The only ties to the past should be the fans and ex-players.

NC, I agree with your statement of poor judgement but it was merely a target fugure based on sell-out. I think it was made in hope rather than expecatation. His silence is relieving, but because of my impression of his motives and desire for the survival of Saints, my instincts are that something is afoot. My "role" at the meeting as you put it was nothing more than an invitee as part of the SOS group. There was no agenda produced, either before or on the night. The meeting was not very well run, and there were one or two egos on show, which led to, IMO, a break down in what could and should have been a very constructive event. I have no idea who you are so I will not lay bare on here all my feelings, suffice it to say, and I have posted on here previously a summary of events as I saw it, there were people at the meeting who let themselves down and missed an opportunity to - at least temporarily -unite (albeit very unlikely if not impossible) the different fractions of supporters, in our hour of need. There was no doubting that every person in the room is a passionate "fan" of SFC, but IMO, there were hidden agendas dictating. As someone who believes a fan-owned club in the truest sense could work ( but doesnt ideally want one) the meeting made me realise why such a project is so verhemently oppossed by some, because there are certain fans who couldnt organise the preverbial P*** up in a brewery. The future will hopefully be with a new "very wealthy" owner (I live in eternal optimism!!) BUT I am worried that if this does not happen, and the club doe shave to be re-formed then the right "FANS" need to be in control, not "the lunatic fringe" as someone once put it. I mean it in the literal sense, not in describing the masses. HTH

The fact that Leon Crouch is "lending" the football club money is an admirable gesture from someone who I believe wholeheartedly (having spoken in length to him about Saints on 2 or 3 occassions) loves the club as much as the next fan. I do ahve a balanced opinion of LC and think that he has made some poor decisions and publically let himself and the club down. I just hope he is not made to look a fool again. What excites me though is why he has gone so "quiet" over the last two weeks. At the meeting (and I use that term loosely) which was held a few weeks ago with LM,ST,SOS,SISA,AW, and local councillors, he was desperate for funds to be raised. He and Lawrie were very passionate about the legends game, suggesting it could raise upto £600K. BUT, as we know it wasnt publicised very well and fell by the wayside. Now, if I was him, I would have done everything in my powers to promote the game AND THE REASONS for it, and even have contemplated reducing the tickets to £15. By the way I am not criticising him for not doing more Im just wondering what he knows, because at that meeting he made it very clear that money was needed and you could tell he was worried. My instincts are that he is now preety confident that a buyer will be found, and fairly quickly. Why else would he gamble what could be anything upto £500K ? Some may answer that by saying (and you have speculated on here already) that its for his own reasons, i.e. future board involvement, or just to boost his image amongst Saints Fans. BUT, he could easily have done that by under-writing the legends game, which would have been a far safer bet if promoted properly!! On a side issue I blame the Echo for their "exposees" over that time, rather than being positive and pro-active, but thats a totally different thread!! Therefore, because of his actions I am quietly confident that we will be bought in the next few days, and the club will live on.

In the literal sense of the word we are rivals to every single club, but I think as a "collective fanbase" there is only one rival. Individually, everyone will like/dislike/even hate other teams for very different and sometimes personal reasons. It would be fair to assume that you could find fans at every club who hate saints and fans that like saints, and the same is true of us. E.G. I hate Everton (although I admire Moyes), simply because of Highbury 1984. In fact I hate Adrian Heath for (possibly) being the only player in the world short enough to have headed that goal...also hate sandpits!!! Irrational but thats how these things develop! Most people I know like Everton! I grew up hating Leeds because my father hated them because of the infamous "p*** take" in 1971 (or whatever date it was!). This was compounded by Alan Smith at the Dell in 1999/2000?? (Im not good with dates!). The point being that when you sign up to support Saints, there is only one rule regarding rivalry....hate or dislike the Skates, no-one else matters....simples!

R.I.P. Dean remember him from very early school years and his sister was in my class. Condolences to all his family and friends

Me too......great place