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For those of us who can't be arsed to read 6 pages what's happened?

I have attended a counter demo, yes.

That's global warming for you.

If there was no global warming then Thorpe-le-saint and peple like him would be out saving whales or picketing nuclear power stations or hugging trees. But isn't it odd how such ardent lefties don't partake in counter demo's against Islamic extremists.

It doesn't suprise me that an Adrian Mole Guardian reader dismisses the article because the truth hurts. It goes against the grain to believe anything other than the tripe trotted out by the far left. Here is a part of the article. Try opening your mind and you might learn something: How could the Met Office be so wrong, both about its barbecue summer and the mild winter? And could the answer to that question have anything to do with its remarkable transformation in recent years? From a fuddy-duddy organisation created in 1854 to provide a service to mariners, and then aviators when the aeroplane was invented, the Met Office became an arm of the Ministry of Defence. But it has since transmuted into a powerful advocacy unit that sees its main mission to convince the world that we are prey to ' dangerous climate change'. Much of this is down to one man - John Houghton (now Sir John) who was the director-general and later chief executive of the Met Office between 1983 and 1991. It was he, way back in 1988, who attended the first World Conference on the Changing Atmosphere in Toronto and later became the first scientific chairman of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. It was Houghton who, with one of her senior advisers, Sir Crispin Tickell, convinced the then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to fund a new Met Office unit called the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research. Opened in 1990, it is now based in Exeter and employs more than 200 staff, having become a temple to what many regard as the climate change 'religion'. Its pivotal role is now well-recognised as it is this centre, working with the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, that produces one of the most relied-upon data sets used to track the global temperature and tell us that the planet is heating up. Crucially, it is that same CRU that has been embroiled in the so-called 'Warmergate' scandal, where leaked emails suggest that climate scientists may have manipulated the evidence when it did not give the answers that proved that global warming was continuing. The University of East Anglia has ordered an independent review into the Warmergate row and the allegations made against the CRU. The point of this row - which is often poorly understood - is that the so-called 'global temperature' which these scientists produce, upon which rests the whole case for 'dangerous global warming', is not a matter of observed fact. The data collection system is far from perfect, designed primarily for weather recording, not long-term climate prediction. Reflecting the military origins of the Met Office, many weather stations are situated on airfields. They are there to provide real-time observations for aviators and to provide the basis for short-term forecasts. They are not climate monitoring stations and arguably should not be used as such. Furthermore, the likes of Manchester and Aberdeen airports, which were once grass airstrips, are now vast stretches of concrete, ramping up temperatures well above the surrounding countryside. This is known as the urban heat island effect. Because of this effect, instrument changes, inbuilt errors and the huge gaps in the record, the crude data has to be 'adjusted' - sometimes several times. Then sophisticated statistical techniques have to be applied before a single global figure can be produced. The complexity of the calculations, and the considerable element of human judgment in choosing which of the limited number of specific temperatures to use from the thousands of weather stations all over the world, leave the process wide open to error and bias. Thus, the final results may actually reflect, to one degree or another, no more than the opinions of the scientists producing them. This is where the good faith and the impartiality of the scientists involved is so important, and why the Warmergate scandal was so damaging. Far from being impartial custodians of the truth, some scientists were shown to have feet of clay, guarding their own patch rather than the science. This was reinforced shortly after Warmergate, when Russian analysts complained that the Hadley Centre had been 'cherry-picking' temperatures from the Russian data set, using only those that were untypically high. Similar complaints have been made of the United States' data set, where urban heat island effect and positioning errors may taint as much as 80 per cent of the weather station records. Last month the Met Office denied 'cherry-picking' and said it used data from a network of individual stations designated by the World Meteorological Organisation. But there is an even greater reason to doubt the impartiality of the Met Office and the Hadley Centre. Having had at its helm Sir John Houghton, a conviction 'warmist', in 2006 it acquired a new and highly controversial chairman - Robert Napier. Described as a 'committed conservationist' and then a 'passionate environmentalist', before taking over the most senior position at the Met Office, Napier had for seven years been the chief executive of World Wildlife Fund-UK, one of the foremost activist groups in the climate-change business. Up to then, WWF was primarily concerned with wildlife issues and conservation. It is widely acknowledged that Napier put climate change on the map during his tenure, using his position to 'leverage the power and experience of the whole organisation', changing its focus to the extent that campaigning on this issue became its main activity. The Met Office has become a powerful and vocal climate-change lobbyist, contributing hugely to the climate-change conference in Copenhagen last month, at which it launched its prediction that this year would be the hottest on record Among other things, he was particularly effective in making alliances with big business, doing deals with the likes of the insurance giant Allianz and convincing the company that there was money to be made out of climate change. Bizarrely, although the Met Office is still part of the MoD and its staff are civil servants (who, as the Met Office itself says, 'cannot support individual campaigns that actively lobby for policy change'), the organisation has taken its cue from its new leader. It has become a powerful and vocal climate-change lobbyist, contributing hugely to the climate-change conference in Copenhagen last month, at which it launched its prediction that this year would be the hottest on record. That raises the question whether the Met Office can still be relied upon to give accurate forecasts. Predicting the weather - both short-term and long - is not an exact science. Computers can do the number crunching but the programs or 'models' they work to are devised by human beings. Exactly the same computer models that are used to forecast that we will fry by the year 2030, 2050 or even 2080, are also those used to produce the shorter-range forecasts. It was these models, back in September, that told us we were going to have a mild winter. But the problems do not stop there. From a technical body, the Met Office has now become the producer and purveyor of endless propaganda on climate change. Its latest production is an expensive, glossy, 20-page pamphlet. It is packed with highly controversial and disputed assertions that are delivered with the authority of a government agency as if they were unarguable fact. There is no room for doubt, for instance, in the assertion that humans are causing climate change. 'Human activities like burning coal, oil and gas have led to...extra warming. As a result, over the past century there has been an underlying increase in average temperatures which is continuing.' Yet no discernible warming has been recorded since 1998. Indeed, it has snowed in the UK for the past three years, famously last October as MPs were voting through the Climate Change Bill. Each winter has been harsher than the last, and many independent meteorologists, including Joe Bastardi, believe the Earth has entered a cooling cycle. What was once a highly respected organisation risks becoming a laughing stock in the weather community and a danger to the rest of us. Farmers who rely on the Met Office risk their animals dying and their crops being destroyed. Local authorities, who ran down their grit stocks because the Met Office said it would be mild, are putting the lives of motorists and pedestrians at risk. Airlines, unprepared for the snow, have lost millions of pounds, while the travel plans of hundreds of thousands of people have been disrupted. The Met Office seems to have forgotten what it was set up for - to predict weather day by day. Instead, it is devoting it energies to the fantasy that it can predict climate decades ahead when it cannot even tell you whether it is going to snow next week, or whether we might have a barbecue summer. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240082/It-gigantic-supercomputer-1-500-staff-170m-year-budget-So-does-Met-Office-wrong.html#ixzz0brmZ6bO4

That's funny because your comrades at the BBC say: Climate crisis: All change in the UK? As ministers, environmentalists and lobbyists from 180 countries gather in the Hague for the UN Climate Change conference, BBC News Online looks at how global warming could affect the UK. Many climate scientists agree that human pollution, mainly from burning fossil fuels, has increased global warming in the past 50 years. Some researchers argue that global warming may already have had a significant effect on the climate in the UK. Four of the five warmest years for more than three centuries have occurred in the last 10 years. By the 2050s, annual temperatures in the south east of the country could be on average more than 2C warmer than they are now - 30 years later that may rise to more than 3C. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1015796.stm And the loony leftie controlled met office say: Met Office: Effects on Gardening The impact of climate change on gardening is likely to have far-reaching effects on our domestic gardens, as well as the many historic gardens around the UK. Already we are seeing an increase in the occurrence of severe weather events, such as floods, heatwaves and droughts. In the future this will have huge ramifications for gardeners everywhere and could change the landscape of the UK beyond all recognition. Recent warming has already caused earlier timing of spring events, and plant and animal species have shifted to higher altitudes. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/guide/effects/gardens.html So does this mean you don't agree with Prudence Brown and his cronies, OR are you just making things up to try to wriggle out of a hole - the hole being the FACTS that the last two winters have been cold, the barbeque summer never happened and that NASA figures show the first 10 years of this decade have seen global cooling. Thanks Whitey for putting the following links up. I wonder Gordon Browns climate comrades haven't commented. It has a gigantic supercomputer, 1,500 staff and a £170m-a-year budget. So why does the Met Office get it so wrong? Its supercomputer makes 1,000 billion calculations a second - then tells us to expect a mild winter. But what would you expect from a 'scientific' organisation that for 20 years has been dominated by climate change zealots, and whose current chairman is the former boss of the World Wildlife Fund? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240082/It-gigantic-supercomputer-1-500-staff-170m-year-budget-So-does-Met-Office-wrong.html Oh dear, another nail is driven into the Socialists big lie.

So what happened to the barbeque summer? And what happened to the mild winter? The Met office are now saying that long term predictions isn't an exact science. That's strange because their grasp on climate change and its causes is indisputeable. If you even dare to question MMGW you are a flat earther. So how many cold summers and arctic winters do we need for the socialist nutjobs to question man made global warming? Or is it simply a case of hanging on the word of Prudence Brown and his cronies?

"I know we're skint but who the f?uck is this C?!nt?"

Tenerife is good and the flights are reasonable and frequent. I prefer Puerto De La Cruz on the north of the Island to the main resort of Playa De Las Americas/Los Cristianos in the south. It really depends on what you're after. Las Americas is better for younger people, wheras Puerto De La Cruz is more compact and relaxed. Los Gigantes/Puerto de Santiago is OK, but not a lot there after a weeks stay. Any other resorts to those mentioned don't bother with. Hiring a car is really cheap and i'd recomend it for the duration of your stay. With the £ to the Euro being crap go all inclusive or Half Board as once you're there it's a lot pricier than it was.

BNP MEMBERS VOW TO PHYSICALLY BLOCK ISLAMIST WOOTON BASSETT MARCH “It must be stopped! We will not have this! They shall not pass! “The British National Party is under increasing pressure to bring thousands of our angry members onto the streets to stop this outrage. “However, we are mindful of the sensitive nature and dignity of Wootton Basset and do not wish to add to the problems now faced by the good people of that town, or the families of our fallen soldiers. “With this in mind, the British National Party WILL take a stand in defence of our heroes by having our two MEPs and our London assembly member use their own bodies to physically block the street and any attempt by Muslim fanatics to insult the memory of our fallen soldiers. http://bnp.org.uk/2010/01/bnp-leaders-vow-to-physically-block-islamist-wootton-bassett-march/ This wll undoubtedly mean than many many BNP and EDL etc members WILL converge on the town. This in turn will mean that the traiterous and two faced UAF will come running to rally behind Choudery and his cohorts. Unless something is done to stop Al-Mahajirou we could well see rivers of blood running down the streets of Wooton Bassett.

At 39, Anjem Choudary should be a symbol of success for his peers. Born into the working-class family of a market trader in Welling on the outskirts of London, he has risen - thanks to the opportunities offered by the British education system - to become a qualified lawyer. But it is unlikely his old school will be inviting him to be guest speaker on prize-giving day. Their former pupil is not famous for his elegant oratory in court. Instead, the articulate Mr Choudary preaches hatred and murder in the streets of Britain to the next generation of young, impressionable Muslims. This week he stood outside Westminster Cathedral in central London to call for the execution of the Pope as punishment for 'insulting Islam'. He fulminated against Pope Benedict XVl, adding: "Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment." It's a long way from his days as a medical student at Southampton University, where, friends say, he drank, indulged in casual sex, smoked cannabis and even took LSD. He called himself 'Andy' and was famed for his ability to drink a pint of cider in a few seconds. One former acquaintance said: "At parties, like the rest of us, he was rarely without a joint. The morning after one party, I can remember him getting all the roaches (butts) from the spliffs we had smoked the night before out of the ashtrays, cutting them up and making a new one out of the leftovers. "He would say he was a Muslim and was proud of his Pakistani heritage, but he did-n't seem to attend any of the mosques in Southampton, and I only knew of him having white girlfriends. He certainly shared a bed with them." On one occasion, 'Andy' and a friend took LSD together. The friend said: "We took far too much and were hallucinating for 20 hours." The only sign of religious fervour came in flashes of anger over Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses. A friend from that time said: "You didn't want to get him started on that. He would go on and on about the fatwa and he supported calls for the book to be banned. But he would have a glass of cider in his hand when he was carrying on about it." Choudary failed his first-year exams, switched from medicine to commercial law and did his final year as a law student at Guildford, from 1990 to 1991, before moving to London. There his legal career stalled briefly and he filled in his time by teaching English as a foreign language in one of the many colleges off Oxford Street. But eventually, he found a position with a firm of solicitors and began completing his qualifications to become a lawyer. His personal life blossomed too. In 1996, aged 29, he married Rubana Akhtar and started a family. The couple, who settled in East London, have a daughter aged eight, and sons aged six and one. Then he met the cleric Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammed at a mosque in Woolwich. Bakri, who is now banned from returning to Britain from Lebanon, had formed Al Muhajiroun, committed to the creation of a worldwide Islamic state, and Choudary quickly became a leading light in the group and its successor organisation, Al Ghurabaa. He is no longer a practising solicitor and has left his wife and children to concentrate on his extreme brand of Islam. It was Choudary who organised the Danish Embassy protests over the cartoons of the prophet Mohammed earlier this year, at which demonstrators dressed as suicide bombers and banners proclaimed: 'Behead Those Who Insult Islam'. He lauded the September 11 hijackers as 'magnificent martyrs' and praised Asif Hanif, the British suicide bomber who killed three in Tel Aviv in 2003. After the July 7 atrocities in London, he vowed he would not tell the police if he knew a terror attack was being planned and urged Muslims to defend themselves against perceived attacks by 'whatever means they have at their disposal'. His shocking pronouncements could be dismissed by some as the rantings of a mind clouded by religious fervour but Choudary has an audience and, at a time of increasing disaffection among young British Muslims, his activities are carefully monitored by Special Branch. A security source said: "He is not seen as premier league because he is so conspicuous. He is seen as an irritant but with a potential to inspire impressionable youngsters to go that one stage further." Despite his hatred of all things British - he says: "If British means adopting British values, then I don't think we can adopt British values. I'm a Muslim living in Britain. I have a British passport, but that's a travel document to me" - he and his family live on state benefits. Rubana is said by friends to claim £1,700 a month in housing benefit and income support while Choudary has also claimed £202 a month in income support. Yesterday, Choudary declined to talk about his past dissolute life, dismissing it as 'irrelevant'. He said: "I was born a Muslim and I have done my best to be a good Muslim all my life." And the drugs and alcohol? "That's not really part of what's happening in the world today. Anyway, it is all fabricated. It is complete nonsense. "My personal family situation and background is irrelevant to the situation in which we live. I can talk about politics and Islam but I don't want to talk about my personal life." He was too busy to answer any further questions. He now belongs to a sect he refuses to name and continues to deny any direct involvement in terrorism. In a recent interview, he said: "Do I know how to make liquid explosives? No, I'm not military-trained. I can make an omelette." A flippant remark from one whose extremism is so laced with threats of violence. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367406-the-unholy-past-of-the-muslim-cleric-demanding-the-popes-execution.do Also the letter he has written to the dead soldiers families is signed: Mr Anjem Choudary UK Head of Al-Muhajiroun I'm sure special branch will have picked up on this given that Al-Muhajiroun is now a banned organisation...

Is that a bit like being decapitated?

Obviously (to all but a pedant) the figure of 99.99% is just one of those numbers picked out of thin air. If Wilts or anyone else wishes to make a play on this then it is trolling especially in lieu of Wilts posts on the main board (not really seen many of his posts on this sub forum) which are usually, if not exclusively, trolling. That said i find some of Wilts posts on the main forum amusing if taken in the context they are intended. Wilts comments on my assertion that the Muslim comunities leaders have it in their power to stamp Islamist Fundamentalism out. He states "It's like us English people and the way we follow what the Queen says as she is Supreme Governor of the Church of England. If she says "stop messing about Wiltshire" then I stop messing about." This post is either trolling (probable in lieu of Wilts other contributions) or born of ignorance. Even my arch nemesis VFTT concedes that the Muslim community is akin to a Feudal society and as such their Elders, Clerics and Immams do rule the roost.

They could be defeated in this country quite easily if the Muslim Elders, Clerics and Immans wanted to defeat them.

It makes me sick to the pit of my tomach what has become of our country. Not all immigrants are bad, i'm perfectly aware that 99.99% of those that have settled here are just normal people getting on with their lives, but i'll continue to vote BNP and i'll tell you why - because none of the mainstream parties are listening. And furthermore the Muslim comunity in general are not doing enough. These fanatics are their people. Muslims have a hierarchical system and those at the top have it in their power to stamp this sort of thing out but they don't. I could go Wooton Bassett or whereever these islamic groups demonstrate and join a counter demo - but what is the point when I know that Brown and all the others just don't care and won't do anything. And besides i'd be ashamed to turn up at Wooton Basset and counter demonstrate because it'd infringe on the grief of the dead soldiers loved ones and that would be a shameful thing to do. Without the stupid name calling from those on the left calling me a Nazi etc even you must agree that the Muslim comunity has a problem and they are not making an effort to sort out their own back yard. You could say they are trying but they simply are not doing enough.

No No No No No. Grafitti is not art, it's horrible and makes an area look like a sh*thole. It's like litter and dog sh*t and Cashconverters. If you want these things go to Shirley. They have a chavvy mural at Fratton Park which looks terrible, although it could be argued it compliments the delapidated ground and slum as a whole. St Marys needs sprucing up, and i don't mean yuppy flats and other sterile developments. There needs to be quality attractions and shops and places to eat and drink. Pompey have the spinaker tower and at least try to capitalise on their maritime history, yet in Southampton theres nothing. Ocean Village used to be semi decent, but that got ruined a few years ago with flats taking over the waterfront. The area opposite the Itchen Stand will probably end up as sterile flats, but it'd so much better if the area was utilised for the pleasure of all and not just a few. Bars and attractions and restaurants would be fantastic and by having such facilities it'd make St Marys a stadium of national standing, as oposed to a backwater. Crowds would go up and the ground would get more trade for other things like concerts and business functions. If Mr Liebherr invested in developing the surrounding area and if the city council got off their arses and promoted Southampton and did their bit then both the club and the citys profile would be raised enormously.

Saints are all over them. It's only a matter of time before we get the 2nd goal.

If we are to believe the man made global warming lie then there's no need for undersoil heating, but this little nugget puts that theory into question.. According to the left wing Climate Change comrades global warming makes it colder. Better get those pipes hooked up Markus.

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PFC will soon be in Lord Mawhinneys juristiction. Happy days.

I personally think a new club called something like Portsmouth City FC will emerge from Havant and Waterlooville.

Ali al-Faraj hits back at the latest ludicrous claims about Pompey and unveils plans for a new state of the art stadium. Meanwhile the locals show their appreciation for this bright new dawn.

David Luker seems to make these periodical **** ups. It can't be that difficult to organise selling a few tickets. What is so difficult about selling Col U tickets up until the morning of the game and delivering the spares to the comunity stadium on the team coach?

Throw them out the football league and let them spend years in the Wilderness like Aldershot.

I notice that the British Yachting couple that were captured by Somali pirates are still being held captive because the British government won't pay the randsom. A Chinese ship hijacked by Somali pirates has been freed after the Chinese government payed a £2m randsom. Which government made the right decision? I think we made the right decision because if every government and organisation flatly refused to pay the pirates there would be no piracy. This is why i think the Chinese the government are right to execute drug smugglers because it's a detterent and if you are seen to be lenient then the problem is exasserbated. I'm not saying that the Chinese government were right in this instance because there are question marks over the trial, but as a sentence i do think it fits the crime. Heroin wrecks lives and supplying it is tantamount to murder in my book. That said the Chinese are a brutal dictatorship and i do not agree with their stance on freedom of speech and human rights.