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Pretty chilling video, I can only hope none of the people he stabbed are seriously wounded.

I would have said no personally because I didn't believe there was any evidence (in public at least) that he had done anything criminally negligent. i.e. Did he deliberately do something knowing that it would lead to fatalities? No. I'd say it was similar to knocking down and killing a child, crossing a 30mph road, whilst doing 32mph. The inquiry would say yes, he made a mistake and was partly at fault. A criminal prosecution would find he wasn't negligent or reckless in the way that someone doing 50mph whilst drunk would be.

I'm with you on that bit, mistakes are one thing but deliberately trying to cover them up and hindering the investigation is something else. As for the rest of your post, I wouldn't say it was wrong but more to the point, how could all these mistakes be made by one person, without either the full situational awareness or any kind of fail safe for him making a wrong decision.

I love a good, belting away end as much as anyone else. To me replica shirts (or at least team colours) show a certain unity and togetherness which adds something to the atmosphere. When someone says passionate European fans to me, the first team that springs to mind (no idea why) is Partizan Belgrade. They've got plenty of shirts, scarves (non 50:50 obviously) and flags and provide a hell of an atmosphere to play in. Same with most other clubs we associate with a good atmosphere; Celtic, Dortmund etc. I'm not saying everyone should wear colours, I honestly don't care. What I don't get is why passionate fans would see pictures like these and want to discourage it.

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion but if an impartial jury has found him not guilty, after the available evidence has been presented to them, then that's good enough for me. The fact that he has been brought to trial is a form of justice in itself. I've studied a lot of aviation accidents and we often refer to something called the Swiss cheese model. Basically you have slices of cheese with holes in, when the holes all line up you get an accident. There are three obvious ways to make life safer: 1. More slices 2. Fewer holes 3. Smaller holes. The Police are a slice of cheese, they are there to ensure safety - The mistakes of individuals are obviously the holes. Stadium design is another slice, it should be safe for everyone - The fences at Hillsborough were a hole You get the idea. The point is that no one individual error should lead to the deaths of 96 people. Duckenfield opening a gate because he was trying his best to prevent a crush outside the ground should not lead to fatalities. That points to a systematic error that needed addressing and it has been. Justice will be served if the mistakes made in the lead up to that event are learned from and never repeated. A witch hunt isn't going to bring anyone back.

Supposedly. I never met the bloke personally.

Never heard of this committee personally and have no idea what they're about. Having said that, the OB really do have better things to do than stalk people who are 'just having a laugh' so if they are keeping an eye on someone, clearly something has been said. As for 'grassing', again it depends who said what. I get that a lot of people don't like half an half scarves and I'm certainly no fan. I don't get why replica shirts at games are a problem though. I wear mine with pride, if the players see a wall of red and white at a game, that must provide some visual encouragement, same as a good vocal atmosphere. More to the point I really don't see why anyone would care what somebody else is wearing. Okay, silly wigs and face paints are pretty cringe worthy but a replica shirt; I just don't see the problem.

I don't know, a lot of American republics seem pretty skeptical. Even when every creditable scientist is pretty much in agreement that we are contributing to a serious climate problem it's all, "who's paying them? Why are they saying this? I'm not falling for this liberal agenda." On the other hand if you tell them the man in the sky told a geriatric to build a wooden boat the size of an oil tanker and round up two of every animal, "hallelujah, praise the lord!"

Nobody has said they are but we are quite obviously making things worse. Why people continue to deny this I can never understand.

Ah, the old, "it’s cold this week, therefore global warming must be a myth," line. I like that one. As an avid skier climate change really does concern me. I know ski holidays are hardly the worst of the worlds problems but an average rise of 2 degrees in temperature would put some of my favourite resorts out of business.

Ah, the old, "it’s cold this week, therefore global warming must be a myth," line. I like that one. As an avid skier climate change really does concern me. I know ski holidays are hardly the worst of the worlds problems but an average rise of 2 degrees in temperature would put some of my favourite resorts out of business.

If you’re talking about followers not being able to see your posts then I agree and that is a line which has been crossed. I’m just questioning that this is what’s actually going on, as I’m not entirely convinced. Where is the evidence for this? Shroppie made the assertion that he had posted things which were then deliberately hidden from followers. I think it’s far more likely these posts have been seen (to the extent that people are actually bothering to check FB and Twitter) but simply aren’t triggering much of a reaction. Going back to the friend I mentioned, I think he genuinely believes people will be shocked and outraged when he ‘reveals’ the Tories want to privatise parts of the NHS. Basically our political opinions are nowhere near as interesting as we think they are.

Is that suppressing content or simply not promoting it? I don't use twitter or than to follow certain accounts but you're posting something then surely everyone who chooses to follow yo can see it. If you're talking about the search/hashtag function then that's different. I don't think you can really complain if your posts aren't being promoted to people who don't chose to follow you. What actually is being promoted, by whom and how that content is selected perhaps should be looked at but that's not an issue of censorship. Your friends who I assume are not liking or commenting on it.

How do you know it’s virtually invisible? Without meaning to be rude, there’s a good chance what your posting on Facebook just isn’t that interesting. I have friends on FB posting all sorts of political guff, in support or criticism of most major parties and TBH I’m just not interested. There are plenty of pages out there posting very strong views for and against every political opinion. I can’t see why they would be allowed but your individual posts would be subtly kept quiet. As an example, one friend is very pro-Corbyn and always posting articles about how Boris will destroy the NHS etc. I’m not even saying he’s wrong but when he posts three of these articles per day everyone stops caring. I saw all of the posts (or at least I did until I chose to unfollow him) and without fail they had 0 comments and 1 sympathy like from his husband.

It’s impossible to know that for sure because you can’t know that you haven’t seen something, if that makes sense. However I would have to say no. If they were deleting certain posts from individuals or pages word would spread very quickly and it would look very bad on them. The best example of how hard it is to cover up a story is the whole Ryan Giggs - Imogen Thomas super injunction story from a few years. Despite a high court ruling that it should be kept quiet and not mentioned by anyone, let alone a major news network, over 75,000 people had mentioned it on twitter and basically everyone knew. The only time I’ve seen content removed, everyone knows it has been removed because it contravenes the site rules (pornographic images, sales of dangerous weapons etc.)

I just don't see how and by who. They can't be government appointed or regulated as there's an obvious conflict of interest there. There are thousands of website which will need continuous moderation, every day. It will take thousands of trained, impartial moderators. Who moderates them? With all that power to control the content the entire country has access to, they will literally queues of goons from Trump, Putin, Johnson, Corbyn etc. outside their house, with envelopes full of cash and letters saying, "do this if you want your family to live." What about foreign websites, should they all be banned? What if RT says something derogatory about the Lib Dems? We can't control their content. It's a nice principle but it's just not practical. Pretty much every ban or infraction we give out on this site gets a PM in response saying, "FFS! What have I said wrong, it's just my opinion, how come he is allowed to post XYZ, blah blah blah..." It'll be ten times worse in real life and after 2 months literally everyone in the country will be convinced they are being censored in some way." The internet is just a means to communicate. I think the best we can do is caution and educate children in school about the dangers of misinformation.

I'm now picturing the a bunch of Arsenal players tied to chairs whilst a very angry group of Chinese triads hook a car battery up to their nipples. "You were supposed to throw the game! We told you we put the money on Southampton to win!" "We tried *sobbing* I promise we tried everything but they're just so, so bad!"

That's the thing though, we all know what happened. The truth leaked out very quickly and they have now lost credibility over the incident. Same as that edited interview with Keir Starmer. We have much more freedom of information than at any time in history. Is it any coincidence that in the most oppressed countries in the world the internet is either banned or severely government restricted? Let me put it this way, supposing Boris wins a landslide majority and on his first day back in office tells the nation he is going to ban the internet as it spreads hurtful misinformation. Would you support him in that?

How is that any different to being in some grotty pub and having to listen to a group blokes going on about how Muslamics and immigrants are giving everyone cancer? People have been perverting the truth and flooding the population with tsunamis on misinformation since the beginning of time. How do you think religion got started thousands of years ago. If anything were better off now because the internet is impossible to suppress. 50 years ago stories like Andrew/Epstein would have been hushed up, swept under the rug and the victims kept quiet. I don’t believe most of the bullsh*t I read on line but as long as I continue to see post for AND against all of our politicians, I’m fairly happy.

Er..... what?!

I don’t really see what the problem with these algorithms is, it’s just targeted advertising. It’s no secret that the ads I see on Facebook are usually from the brand or similar to what I’ve been googling 10 minutes ago. To me it’s no different to going into a cafe, ordering a coffee and being asked if I’d like a pastry or biscuit to go with it.

I wouldn't be too sure, Everton just lost 0-2 at home to Norwich.

Yep. This kind of thing would be tolerable if we were getting the business done elsewhere. A nice solid 2-0 at home to Bournemouth, Ings equalises against Liverpool, a comprehensive 3-1 over Everton and I can live with results like this. When we’ve had fewer wins than 9-0 defeats at home since April, snatching a draw from the razor-sharp, titanium jaws of victory isn’t good enough, against any team.

I honestly, genuinely wonder if a game behind closed doors would do this lot some good. They’re just so frail mentally, you can almost read it in their faces as they walk out at St Mary’s; they’re just going to bottle it in front of their own fans. Again. Let’s all just stay at home and give the lads a chance.

I can almost here the arsenal players in my head... "Okay, we’re going to give you this one because you guys need a break. Right, you’re 2-1 up so that’s a good start, here’s another chance, 3-1 should make it comfortable.... okay, you missed that, not to worry, here’s another.... okay you missed that too, don’t worry you can have another go... okay don’t worry about all those chances you missed, it’s 2-1 in the third minute of injury time, just stick this one in from 8 yards and you’ll be fine... okay you missed that too, just see out the last 4 minutes, we haven’t got a clue.... okay, here’s one last ball into the box, just clear this and you’re fine... oh FFS, well we tried our best to give it you."