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Should be about a small Estonian community which is one of the densest Covid19 hotspots in the world, after a visit from an Italian volleyball team a couple of months ago.

If anyone still needs convincing what a small group of people traveling around from an infection hotspot can do... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p089krkz/52299358

Do you think we should send married gays to drought hit South Sudan?

I think you're getting confused with Kevin Costner's Waterworld.

I've got a friend who works at SOU, says they've got two flights per day. One Guernsey, one Jersey.

A lot of it will be cargo, plus a lot of people slowly being repatriated. There will be very few passengers on those flights.

Cool, so I can completely ignore all public health instructions, hop in my car and drive down to Cornwall. There’s no reason not to, worst case scenario the Police will stop me and tell me to go home, so I’ve got nothing to lose by trying.

Persecution implies punishment to people who have committed no wrong doing, which these people clearly had. It's a punishment, it's supposed to be a deterrent and not very nice, otherwise everyone can just do what they want and the Police will just say, "oh please don't do that." Again, your argument seems to revolve around there being other, worse things happening, which is never a defence for anything.

I’m just having a cuppa in between scarifying my lawn.

As I said to Whelk, if they transmit the virus to 6 people on their trip, who then pass it on to another 10 etc. And suddenly you’ve got 50 infections and 3 deaths, is a small fine still OTT? If you ignore all instructions and three people end up dead for the sake of your long weekend in the Lakes? It sounds dramatic but that’s what’s happening. How do you know that?

Cardiff at home last year stocks in my mind. Was absolutely no threat to one of the worst defences in the league, every time Sol Bamba brushed against him he threw himself to the floor and started waving his arms at the ref. We had some pretty forgettable ‘performances’ from the likes of DMG, Pekhart and Robertson in the Championship too.

There are those who believe that the entire universe was predetermined and that even events which seemed like a free choice or even completely random, have been guaranteed since the big bag. So there.

Yes, you’re right on the first point, what I’m trying to get at is simply that the more people travel, the more likely you are to spread it. There are two aspects to that. Firstly that the virus may well mutate regionally, leading to reinfections as it is spread around the country. Secondly, if we keep things tight, some communities will get off relatively lightly. Supposing we compared the Lake District to Iceland. The virus is there but by limiting the people coming in and out, we could manage to keep case in that region down. Long term, if we can get it under control, it’s going to be a lot easier to manage regional outbreaks than a national epidemic. Aside from spreading the virus around half a dozen service stations, any unnecessary movement risks spreading the disease.

Because the further and more frequent people travel, the quicker the disease already. Supposing Britain was C19 free right now and patient zero landed with the virus in Heathrow. If everyone stuck to the rules, it would spread slowly to airport workers who live in Hounslow and Slough, then around the local shops etc. And we would be able to monitor and contain it relatively effectively. If everyone did what they want their in 24 hours it would be in cars going to Derby, Cornwall, Pembrokeshire, Bromley, Lincoln etc. The only way out of this is through robust personal hygiene, limiting movement and social gatherings, then test, test and test some more.

I’m not saying you should be charged as such as it is completely unprovable who transmitted what to who, when and where etc. I’m sure nobody means to kill people, hence the ‘wilful negligence’ but that’s basically what it comes down to. There are people in this country who’ve died because of a handshake in a pub or a lorry driver stopping for a p*ss.

So if that family had transmitted the virus to say six people, who then transmit it to another ten and eventually 50 people are infected and three of them die... what would you call that?

It’s fine by me. The message has been hammered home a thousand times in every media and social media outlet going, as well as the warnings that you could be fined if caught. If you’re thick enough to do it and stubborn enough to ignore the rules, you can’t complain about the fine. It’s not a fine for idiocy, it’s basically manslaughter by wilful negligence if you ask me.

It’s not even a loan, that would imply an actual movement of money from player to club. This is basically the players saying, "look, I’ll make do with just £54,000 a week for the next few months, you just pay me the extra £6,000 in autumn." I’m not going to slate them for it but I won’t praise them either. There is literally zero sacrifice on their part, even if they deferred 50% you physically couldn’t spend that much money at the moment. You can’t travel, buy a house or a car and even if you were just putting it in a savings account, interest rates are through the floor of the basement right now.

I'll start

This thread was better when it was about ducks.

Yes, absolutely. That Sunday is my one chance when I have a reduced risk of killing myself and other people. It would come as a welcome relief from having to drive at terrifying speeds the rest of the week. The alternative is killing people because it somehow seems more fair.

It may seem that way but if you are unfortunate enough to rely on the tube, you should be doing everything possible to minimise the risk in other aspects of your life. It’s like driving down a motorway at 130mph and saying, "well, it’s really dangerous anyway, so I might as well have a beer and take my seatbelt off."

Surely that’s a lot worse? I can understand people wanting to do that but if you have to work in London and take the tube, there’s a very high chance you will pick up the virus at some point. If you then spend your day off in the park with friends and extended family, you’re just spreading it around. I fully sympathise with people wanting to do that but actually doing it is a different matter. The more people do it, the longer we’ll have to live like this.

That depends if he is a straight bloke in Eastleigh or a lesbian living in Karachi or Alabama. I would imagine it’s very harmful to the later. Organised religions impose beliefs upon people which aren’t their own, based on nothing at all. Because there is no evidence for any of them, they cannot be argued or disproven, so they can fly off on all sorts of tangents completely unregulated.

Tim Brooke-Taylor dies 'with' Coronavirus aged 79. No idea if he was otherwise ill but sad news.