badgerx16

1) What do Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and Libya have in common ? 2) Muslims died in Paris, on 7/7, on 9/11, on the trains in Madrid, and in countless bombings in the Middle East and Africa over the last few years. 3) Terrorists find religion a convenient excuse for their actions, and a lever with which to provoke interracial tensions - they corrupt and pollute it's teachings to try to justify the unjustifiable. 4) Israel's existence is similarly a convenient diversionary excuse. 5) ( Not sure what you're getting at here ) 6) No need to go back 100 years, Christianity has been highjacked in all major conflicts of the last 200 years; without invoking Godwin's Law, how many people died in God's name in the 2 World Wars ? Does this make me a 'Muslim apologist' ?

They're probably all we've got available.

Cardinal

For all the complaints about possible penalties, the home side MUST have more than 1 ( weak ) effort on target in a full match.

On today's showing he shouldn't be in the squad.

We are going to get out of this match exactly what we deserve.

If Juanmi isn't better than Long we should get rid.

Anders Breivik ? The Lord's Resistance Army ?

"Aren't we blessed to have imported Islam to our doorsteps". @SourMash post#812

Do you actually know any Muslims ? Or do you have Muslim neighbours ? Do you run and hide when you see a woman in a burqa walking down the street ?

Let's hope they're bombing the right targets.

Nothing has changed, ( allegedly ).

A commentator on the BBC radio news said the weapons were probably sourced from the local criminal underworld, with whom the terrorists made acquaintance whilst in jail.

With regard to the 'immigrant / terrorist' issue, Abdelhamid Abaaoud was born and raised in Belgium. His father moved there in 1975. It would seem the issue may rather be the radicalisation of 'home grown' disaffected teens. Edit; sorry if I've simply reiterated something that has already been added to the thread, but it is getting difficult to separate the discussion from the b!tching.

Poison

Pericles

Exactly the sort of response IS are looking to provoke ; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34840896 "Ballymena attack: Muslim family's home 'targeted' by petrol bombers"

What would you think the stats for these opinions would be for any other ethnic grouping ?

The same poll, of 1000 people by COMRES, shows 95% show a loyalty to Britain, and 93% say that Muslims should always obey British law.

Try not to be so selective in your quoting : "I think you have to have security that prevents people firing off weapons where you can, there are various degrees for doing things as we know. But the idea you end up with a war on the streets is not a good thing." This makes sense to me. How many Jean Charles de Menenzes' will the public tolerate ?

Wars in which many tens of thousands of Muslim soldiers died fighting on our side.

As an aside, given that there were victims from Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, and Senegal, it is very likely that some of the dead were themselves Muslim. They were just out and about, socialising with friends and relatives.

But then what to do with the 'Free Syrian Army' who the West have encouraged to stand up to Assad ? Or the Kurds in the north of both Syria and Iraq, whom the Turks are pretty hostile towards ?

Which is what exactly ? The old boundaries of the Ottoman Empire pre 1918 ? Or restoring Syria, Iraq, and Libya back to their pre Desert Storm / Iraqi Freedom / Arab Spring status - because politically these states required their strong man dictators to supress the inter-faith and inter-tribe antagonisms created when we split the old empire up between the WW1 victors.

In theorising about 'negotiating', it isn't just who we might try to negotiate with, but who the we would be ; As has been said, IS isn't really an identifiable entity, it's an umbrella under which diverse, self-interested, sociopathic warlords can pledge a degree of mutual support and 'fraternal love', viz Boko Haram's pledge of allegiance. In terms of the 'we', who would represent the Shia communties, who are all effectively under sentence of death as they are viewed as apostate - I'm not sure IS would be interested in settling peaceably with them.