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What are you saying? That a virus that is known to mutate is mutating and that is something to be suspicious about?

That is awful news Winner. I’m so sorry to hear that. As others have said, hopefully you have plenty of support. Hang in there matey.

Ideally it should be investigated by the police, but perhaps Priti Patel has had something to do with that? Or maybe the fact that they provide the security at no 10 so are probably crapping themselves as they are complicit. What is important here is not what someone like me writes on a football forum, it is that a democratically elected government and PM take the piss out of the electorate and blatantly lie to us. Perhaps you would be better served to turn your anger on the people you voted in.

I was referring to the situation before they announced the investigation into 3 parties by a civil servant. It would have been better to have a cross party committee do it but hey, this is the Tories under Johnson so why not use one of his buddies? I’m surprised that you have poked your head up Duckie. You and those of your ilk are responsible for this shit show. You voted the Party in and you voted Johnson in. You must be very proud of yourself. Thanks to the Duckies of this nation we are stuck with the most pony PM and cabinet ever.

They are now being called “gatherings” instead or parties apparently. You are quite right about the police. Once allegation(s) are made it is their job to investigate and to start to gather evidence. For them not to even bother is a dereliction of duty. It is appalling that the Tory’s are investigating themselves, even though “nothing happened”. We all know how that will play out. More grief coming Johnson’s way over the flat refurb. Anybody with a shred of integrity would resign. Fortunately for most of his career path having honesty and integrity have not been an issue for him

Partying when the rest of us were in lockdown, enjoying a nice holiday while the shit hits the fan in Afghanistan - all these stories hitting the front pages and it is only Wednesday. Still, par for the course for Johnson and the other incompetents in his cabinet. Yet still people defend for them and vote for them. Perhaps Starmer should stop attacking Johnson as the bloke is clearly made of Teflon and start on the idiots who put him there.

Darwinism in all of its full glory!

Probably explains why I can’t sort out my e.d. problems. I have been taking Viera all this time 🙄

You really don’t get it do you? They are crossing because they can ONLY apply here. 🙄

Why would we want to ship people to foreign clearing stations if they are already here? If they are here then they apply for asylum here. It really isn’t difficult and only seems an option considered by the likes of Patel and Farage.Why would foreign countries not cooperate with moving refugees on? It is in there interest to do so. The UN is already involved in dealing with the refugee problem, so what is the issue with countries working with UN agencies to sort out asylum applications? The problem we have is that we have shut down the previous routes for asylum seekers and this government is responsible for the rise in those risking their lives crossing the channel. Read this piece from your party’s very own Brexiteer David Davis. https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Famp.theguardian.com%2Fcommentisfree%2F2021%2Fdec%2F04%2Fpriti-patel-plan-to-offshore-refugees-costly-wrong-doomed-to-fail&data=04|01||48e76adac453433fcffc08d9b7d36e2a|84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa|1|0|637742940973377721|Unknown|TWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D|3000&sdata=zJ%2B4dPfGz3QKF%2FFCMDPmck1oWmPCl9Ez2TJzX7HDfQw%3D&reserved=0 We have Embassy’s all over the world. Why can’t we allow people to apply for asylum through those? This government has made it so that the only way you can apply for asylum here is to be here. That is the issue and that needs to be dealt with.

I read it on another forum so I guess the poster got their information wrong. Edit- having read it again he was assuming that JWP was on the line because of the injury to McCarthy. My bad. I made the assumption that it was on orders from the bench.

Apparently McCarthy had done his hamstring and JWP was told by the bench to get on the line to help out.

Tino had his worst game for us today. Very poor. Yet again we had some glorious chances to get the second but fluffed them. Ralph gets a lot of stick but when professional footballers don’t do their job what can you do?

I don’t have a plan, I simply repeated a suggestion that came from people who work with refugees. Clearly the most important thing is to find a way to stop refugees and asylum seekers crossing the channel in dinghies. You need to look at what your party is doing to make these crossings more likely. And please stop linking me to Farage. Not once have I suggested that we send people to foreign clearing stations from here. Why do you persist with this nonsense? You are the one talking”pony”.

The problem is in order to stop people wanting to leave where they are you need to stop wars, famine etc. We are one of the main drivers of conflicts that have seen a surge in refugees. We have also cut foreign aid which of course doesn’t help the situation one iota. The West is the cause of most of these problems. The West needs to fix it and Priti Patel’s latest bill will only make matters worse and drive more people into the hands of the people traffickers. We have done a runner from Afghanistan and have deserted the very people that were working with us to make Afghanistan a better place to live. There is currently no system in place for those people who supported us to apply to join their families (for those separated) over here. Many of those people will end up in dinghies on the Channel if something isn’t done soon.Patel’s bill is a backward step. Cutting foreign aid was a backward step. We have a government intent on making things worse rather than trying to find proper, decent, humanitarian solutions to problems often of our own making.

So let me get this right, given a choice of risking their lives and the lives of their children in a leaky dingy crossing a freezing channel in order to apply for asylum here is preferable to staying in a safe place and doing so from abroad. Whatever it is your smoking Duckie it has clearly addled your brain. some info for you - As a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention, the UK fully considers all asylum applications lodged in the UK. However, the UK’s international obligations under the Convention do not extend to the consideration of asylum applications lodged abroad and there is no provision in our Immigration Rules for someone abroad to be given permission to travel to the UK to seek asylum. The policy guidance on the discretionary referral to the UK Border Agency of applications for asylum by individuals in a third country who have not been recognised as refugees by another country or by the UNHCR under its mandate, has been withdrawn. No applications will be considered by a UK visa-issuing post or by the UK Border Agency pending a review of the policy and guidance. 20 September 2011

Proof, if any more proof were needed that you are indeed Delldays/Batman!!!

How do you know if they are undocumented? You sound as clueless as the Home Secretary. https://www.indy100.com/news/refugees-migrants-priti-patel-lord-kerr-b1965324?amp https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/watch-patels-economic-migrants-narrative-destroyed-in-cry-for-humanity-clip-302770/amp/

WTF are you talking about? Why would anybody send asylum seekers abroad once they have made it here and why this obsession with trying to link me and Farage? It seem that, in your haste to find something to get angry about you don’t read what has been written. I am talking about finding easier ways of allowing those who haven’t made it here for whatever reasons ( go and read what Lord Kerr has to say about it if you think there isn’t a problem - quoted in a post above) of applying - maybe through clearing stations overseas, our embassies etc. It really isn’t difficult to understand. Those already here stay here and go through the process here. Understand? As to why it will prevent people risking their lives to get here, at the moment they have to be here to apply. They cannot apply from abroad. If they could there would be no reason to get in a dingy. Understand? And as for the good old British treating them decently and with respect, read this - https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-england-sussex-59468168&data=04|01||fcfe8f89c03f44cd51ff08d9b38ecb52|84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa|1|0|637738248143922599|Unknown|TWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D|3000&sdata=4LmYSfi%2FCdmT8MxsfAXlchMu4U%2FaLK%2FG78o3hO89DGU%3D&reserved=0

If I am clueless then blame the people who work with the refugees because I am only repeating what they are saying and that the current system needs simplifying. I didn’t say it was easy, I said it needs to be sorted out as I think most reasonable people would want to see happen. The is no “soggy system” but there are suggestions from those who know more about these things than you or I. Why would refugees/asylum seeking be unwilling to give full disclosure about where they have come from. It is in their interest to cooperate fully with the process is it not? As for Patel and Johnson, she said a year ago that she would sort this out yet it is now worse than before. I would have thought a staunch Brexiteer like yourself would be unhappy that so many migrants are still pitching up here. Her language is pejorative and plays to those in the anti immigrant camp. It is not helpful. Johnson has just managed to piss of the very people we need to work with in order to sort this problem out and has set the process back by goodness knows how long. The actions of a responsible, sensible PM or someone who is more interested in playing to the gallery at home? You tell me but I think any reasonable person would find the actions and behaviour of both of them to be very poor. A final question for you. If you were on a boat in the channel and came across a dinghy full of people, would you turn them back to where they came from or would you take them on board, give them blankets, food and drink and bring them back safely before turning them over to the authorities? https://www.indy100.com/news/refugees-migrants-priti-patel-lord-kerr-b1965324?amp https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/watch-patels-economic-migrants-narrative-destroyed-in-cry-for-humanity-clip-302770/amp/

We We seem to be talking about two different types of people. I am talking about the genuine asylum seekers. As for not being doctors or going to university any time soon, don’t we need HGV drivers, fruit pickers, bricklayers etc too?

I’m all over the place? For a start I have no idea what the solution to this problem is and it is not my place to sort it out, but clearly the current system that we have in place encourages people to risk their lives in crossing the channel in small boats so something needs to change. If you can apply here for asylum why can’t you apply abroad? We have embassies all around the world. Why can’t they deal with these issues? If people are applying for asylum I assume that providing full and comprehensive details of where they came from is part of the process. Why would it be such a problem to get this information? You seem to assume that they are all bogus? If they could apply abroad then they wouldn’t need to risk their lives crossing the channel to apply here. As it stands you have to be here to apply for asylum.It really isn’t that hard to understand Duckie. What this has to do with the likes of the far right only you will know. I thought that they were against immigration so why would they want to make asylum applications easier? If anything they would want to make it harder wouldn’t they? Even with this incompetent bunch I assume that in order to satisfy the conditions of refugee status and be eligible for asylum you would need to provide verifiable details of where you have come from. I may be wrong but you seem to assume that the people who wash up in a beaches disappear into the night. That maybe be true of 2% of them but according to people who work with these people 98% don’t. You give the impression that you think that all of these people are dodgy benefit seekers or jihadis and come across, if you forgive the expression, as a stereotypical “gammon”. ( I use that label because you only seem to understand stereotypical labels). It is you who are all over the place Duckie. Perhaps you have been smoking too much dope?

Do you ever respond to a post without throwing insults about? How many people “disappear” as soon as they get here exactly? Most come here and apply for asylum because that is the only way to apply. 98% of those landing here apply for asylum. Are you honestly telling me that in 2021, with all of our modern state of the art technology that it is beyond us to sort out a system of applying when abroad? Clearly if some are picked up in British (not English) waters then they are brought back here for the processing, not sure where Farage comes into it? The incentive is exactly the same. They need to apply for asylum whether be here or somewhere else so surely the risk of being told no is exactly the same? I don’t think, under international law, that you can return refugees to danger (not that it bothers Patel) so even if they are refused asylum here there needs to be found somewhere safe for them to settle. Seems plenty of incentive to be in the system to me. I am struggling to understand why you have such a problem with people trying to find a new and more secure life for themselves and their families are trying to find a way to prevent these awful tragedies? Perhaps, because you are such a tough guy and not a soft arsed pinko you are happy with people drowning in the channel? The party and the PM that you voted in have told us that this will be sorted but it is getting worse. It is not for me to sort this out and improve a totally inadequate system for dealing with asylum seekers, it is down to the people you voted for. Perhaps instead of throwing redundant 60’s words and phrases around you would do better to ask your party why we have a growing problem in this area? While you are at it you can ask what they are going to do about the labour shortage since we left the EU.

Once they get here….but you are okay with them living in crappy camps and then being turned around at sea (against international law). Carry on pretending that your lot don’t think that they are all would be jihadis or social benefit scroungers My wife is a decent caring human being and if you think that is a problem then I feel sorry for your “snap dragon” (another one of your silly labels)

You love a label Duckie - chicks, 9 pinters, pinkos, sweaties etc. 😉 The trouble with this label is that they are normally labelled “illegal immigrants” which is a pejorative term and also untrue. They are mostly asylum seekers. The person on QT put it much better than that, but terms used (including those used by the Home Secretary) tend to dehumanise these people and play to the xenophobes amongst us. My wife made the very same point the other night after seeing some of these people interviewed on the news. She said you just hear reports of migrants numbers and see shadowy people in boats, but when you hear their stories and see them with their children around open fires they become real people. They have always been real people it is just they way they are presented turns them into “units” (as said by the person on QT) which detracts from the human element. Patel promised to do something about this a year ago but the problem just gets worse. Johnson has now caused a rift with the very people we need to be working with to deal with these issues by playing to the gallery on Twitter. Could we have any any more incompetent PM or cabinet?