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If I am clueless then blame the people who work with the refugees because I am only repeating what they are saying and that the current system needs simplifying. I didn’t say it was easy, I said it needs to be sorted out as I think most reasonable people would want to see happen. The is no “soggy system” but there are suggestions from those who know more about these things than you or I. Why would refugees/asylum seeking be unwilling to give full disclosure about where they have come from. It is in their interest to cooperate fully with the process is it not? As for Patel and Johnson, she said a year ago that she would sort this out yet it is now worse than before. I would have thought a staunch Brexiteer like yourself would be unhappy that so many migrants are still pitching up here. Her language is pejorative and plays to those in the anti immigrant camp. It is not helpful. Johnson has just managed to piss of the very people we need to work with in order to sort this problem out and has set the process back by goodness knows how long. The actions of a responsible, sensible PM or someone who is more interested in playing to the gallery at home? You tell me but I think any reasonable person would find the actions and behaviour of both of them to be very poor. A final question for you. If you were on a boat in the channel and came across a dinghy full of people, would you turn them back to where they came from or would you take them on board, give them blankets, food and drink and bring them back safely before turning them over to the authorities? https://www.indy100.com/news/refugees-migrants-priti-patel-lord-kerr-b1965324?amp https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/watch-patels-economic-migrants-narrative-destroyed-in-cry-for-humanity-clip-302770/amp/

We We seem to be talking about two different types of people. I am talking about the genuine asylum seekers. As for not being doctors or going to university any time soon, don’t we need HGV drivers, fruit pickers, bricklayers etc too?

I’m all over the place? For a start I have no idea what the solution to this problem is and it is not my place to sort it out, but clearly the current system that we have in place encourages people to risk their lives in crossing the channel in small boats so something needs to change. If you can apply here for asylum why can’t you apply abroad? We have embassies all around the world. Why can’t they deal with these issues? If people are applying for asylum I assume that providing full and comprehensive details of where they came from is part of the process. Why would it be such a problem to get this information? You seem to assume that they are all bogus? If they could apply abroad then they wouldn’t need to risk their lives crossing the channel to apply here. As it stands you have to be here to apply for asylum.It really isn’t that hard to understand Duckie. What this has to do with the likes of the far right only you will know. I thought that they were against immigration so why would they want to make asylum applications easier? If anything they would want to make it harder wouldn’t they? Even with this incompetent bunch I assume that in order to satisfy the conditions of refugee status and be eligible for asylum you would need to provide verifiable details of where you have come from. I may be wrong but you seem to assume that the people who wash up in a beaches disappear into the night. That maybe be true of 2% of them but according to people who work with these people 98% don’t. You give the impression that you think that all of these people are dodgy benefit seekers or jihadis and come across, if you forgive the expression, as a stereotypical “gammon”. ( I use that label because you only seem to understand stereotypical labels). It is you who are all over the place Duckie. Perhaps you have been smoking too much dope?

Do you ever respond to a post without throwing insults about? How many people “disappear” as soon as they get here exactly? Most come here and apply for asylum because that is the only way to apply. 98% of those landing here apply for asylum. Are you honestly telling me that in 2021, with all of our modern state of the art technology that it is beyond us to sort out a system of applying when abroad? Clearly if some are picked up in British (not English) waters then they are brought back here for the processing, not sure where Farage comes into it? The incentive is exactly the same. They need to apply for asylum whether be here or somewhere else so surely the risk of being told no is exactly the same? I don’t think, under international law, that you can return refugees to danger (not that it bothers Patel) so even if they are refused asylum here there needs to be found somewhere safe for them to settle. Seems plenty of incentive to be in the system to me. I am struggling to understand why you have such a problem with people trying to find a new and more secure life for themselves and their families are trying to find a way to prevent these awful tragedies? Perhaps, because you are such a tough guy and not a soft arsed pinko you are happy with people drowning in the channel? The party and the PM that you voted in have told us that this will be sorted but it is getting worse. It is not for me to sort this out and improve a totally inadequate system for dealing with asylum seekers, it is down to the people you voted for. Perhaps instead of throwing redundant 60’s words and phrases around you would do better to ask your party why we have a growing problem in this area? While you are at it you can ask what they are going to do about the labour shortage since we left the EU.

Once they get here….but you are okay with them living in crappy camps and then being turned around at sea (against international law). Carry on pretending that your lot don’t think that they are all would be jihadis or social benefit scroungers My wife is a decent caring human being and if you think that is a problem then I feel sorry for your “snap dragon” (another one of your silly labels)

You love a label Duckie - chicks, 9 pinters, pinkos, sweaties etc. 😉 The trouble with this label is that they are normally labelled “illegal immigrants” which is a pejorative term and also untrue. They are mostly asylum seekers. The person on QT put it much better than that, but terms used (including those used by the Home Secretary) tend to dehumanise these people and play to the xenophobes amongst us. My wife made the very same point the other night after seeing some of these people interviewed on the news. She said you just hear reports of migrants numbers and see shadowy people in boats, but when you hear their stories and see them with their children around open fires they become real people. They have always been real people it is just they way they are presented turns them into “units” (as said by the person on QT) which detracts from the human element. Patel promised to do something about this a year ago but the problem just gets worse. Johnson has now caused a rift with the very people we need to be working with to deal with these issues by playing to the gallery on Twitter. Could we have any any more incompetent PM or cabinet?

C’mon Jaime, we all know who you are! Strange that you should suddenly appear not long after the banning of Delldays/Batman with exactly the same mind set and opinions. When you say you used to pose on here I am assuming you meant post? Why change you posting details if you were returning after a long lay off? You are Delldays/Batman. Strange also that you should suddenly claim to have met me given the years we have shared a forum together and you only mention it now? Perhaps you would like to tell me when, where and at what function we met? The Saints fans I have met have mostly been decent folks, I would certainly have remembered you.

I call you Delldays/Batman because that is who you are. You have been banned from here twice but keep coming back. Where have we met? I used to work around the Camden area, perhaps you cooked me breakfast in one of the cafes? 😉 I’m sure I would have remembered you. Oh, and I’d rather be a smug cnut than a bigoted, blinkered Little Englander. I should have mentioned that the reason Macron was so incensed was because Johnson’s letter was totally at odds with a conversation that they had on Wednesday evening. So unlike Johnson to say one thing and do another! If you go back and read my post again you will see my thoughts on the issue, not that it will be sorted out by a few internet keyboard warriors.

Absolutely no surprise that you should write this drivel Delldays/Batman. Try reading things before jumping to your usual anti Johnny Foreigner rhetoric. Since when has been getting in a dingy been “illegal”. You sound like the love child of Priti Patel and any one of the Tory front bench. Tell me, since when has it been illegal to seek asylum in another country?

Totally agree. It doesn’t take much to piss of the French but it takes a special type of incompetent diplomat to piss them off to the extent where they pull the plug on a crucial meeting just after 27 people have lost their lives. Neither side has covered themselves in glory over the handling of this situation but when we have Johnson and Patel handling these affairs we are hamstrung from the start. The point was well made on QT last night, the labelling of these people hasn’t helped. They are human beings and need to be treated as such. One of the problems seems to be that you actually have to be here before you can claim asylum. Is it really beyond the capability of our government along with the EU to set up a system where you can apply and have that application processed at clearing station outside the UK? It doesn’t help that we have over 80,000 claims waiting to be processed at the moment. Yet another incidence of our not having the resources to deal with an issue. It has been over a year since Patel said she was going to sort this yet it is getting worse by the week. It isn’t just a UK/France problem. The issues in the Middle East are affecting many EU countries along with Turkey. There needs to be a collective of joined up thinking and action by all affected nations, but the Anglo/French meeting would have been a start. So much for that.

Hypo, you still don’t seem to have grasped the fact that I can still see your posts when someone quotes them. Oh well…. Anyway, having seen some of your comments here I note that, despite your recent laughable supposed conversion to liberalism, you are still firmly rooted in the far right mind set. Your defence of this individual who took an automatic weapon to a demonstration (illegally by the way) and killed two unarmed individuals comes as no surprise. Neither does the time and effort you spend on defending like minded individuals. Trust me Hypo, you are not and never will be someone with liberal sensibilities.

I’m beginning to wonder if the vaccine is responsible for our second half displays. What do you think SS? 😉

Yes, he is the BBC’s go to consultant and dialogue coach for period pieces from the 1960’s and 70’s. He did some of his best work on Life on Mars.

This will probably pass right over a few heads here. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-59347577.amp

Someone who can do both would be useful.

Johnson still behaves like a rogue from an 19th century romantic novel. He looks like one too.

Keeps you in a job though Delldays. Without politicians willing to wage war you would have no one to feed!

I was here Whelk and didn’t comment but thanks for dragging me into it anyway. It sounds like the claims of heroism might be wide if the mark. It seems like the bomb went off early and the taxi driver was lucky to get out of the cab alive.

You beat me to it Whelk. Excellent programme and yes, it shows just how the NHS can’t cope with this and what a huge problem this is.

Pelle was excellent for us but you still slagged him off. Remember?

If I could revisit one year for music alone it would have to be 1972. I saw some of the most memorable concerts of my life from albums released that year - Trilogy, Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Close To The Edge, Yes - Foxtrot, Genesis - Machine Head and Made In Japan, Deep Purple. Other great albums released that year included Thick As A Brick, Jethro Tull and Exile On Mainstreet, The Rolling Stones. Hard to believe that, in a few weeks time, all this stuff happen half a century ago!

Indeed. I wouldn’t change mine for anything but I’m sure there are people getting into music now who think the same about current bands. I’ve just read a piece by Paul McCatrney where he talks about Elvis, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly etc. The guitar bands I grew up listening to were all influenced by that stuff but I wasn't interested in their influences, only them so I had the Beatles, The Who, Small Faces, Kinks, Animals etc as my golden era. Looking back I would say my favourite musical decade was mid 60’s to mid 70’s.

I’ve got access to virtually everything on Apple but I still have box loads of vinyl, tapes and CDs in the attic which I can’t bring myself to part with. Renting music is convenient but there is something about actually owning something that is important to you. There are vinyl albums that I will probably never play again in that form but I just love the album covers.

Never really got the whole Britpop thing as it was totally derivative of the 60s. The argument between Oasis and Blur about which one of them was The Beatles (and between the Gallagher bros as to who was John Lennon) was just embarrassing. Don’t get how the Verve headlined Glastonbury with maybe 3 good tunes to their name (although Mrs SOG likes Richard Ashcroft and his solo stuff is better). I still listen to R.E.M., James, Ash, Moby, Massive Attack, Lloyd Cole and dug out some Corrs and Cranberries CDs the other day, but having grown up in the 60’s and 70’s was spoilt when it came to my golden era and the 90’s pales in comparison. Just read this again and can’t believe I missed off the Stones Roses (first album) and Feeder. In fact the more I look through my CD collection the more I find stuff from the 90’s that I still really like.

Someone on Question Time raised a good point last night. If some MP’s are earning considerably more than £82k outside of their MP’s salary, which job becomes their “second job”? Would those people relaxed about part time MP’s be just as happy if their elected representatives was moonlighting as an MP instead of a lawyer etc? Also wouldn’t it be good to hear that some had second jobs working with foodbanks and other worthy social causes rather than just filling their bank accounts up even more.