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I don’t think that Farage will find it so easy tonight. Rayner and Flynn don’t take prisoners. Hopefully this is the point where the election really takes off.

You got me there, but you know what I mean.

Maybe, but you would hope that his advertisers would tell him that it be a bad look to leave early. The more you think about it the stranger it becomes. His robotic response in his apology didn’t help.

Sunak has just said that his itinerary was set weeks ago before the election was called which means that he originally planned to come back from the D-Day activities early. What was he originally going to do instead of the last minute interview with ITV that he came back for? He is telling us not to politicise the situation. Why did he come back early? To film a political interview. He really isn’t very good at politics (or lying). The party must be thinking, as disastrous as ditching him before the election might have seemed earlier, they would have been better of doing so. Only the Mirror ran with the story today. How will the Mail, Express, Telegraph and Sun deal with it tomorrow, if at all?

I am not holding all Jewish people responsible for the actions of Netanyahu, his government and his army and have said that there are plenty of Jewish people who do not agree with what is happening and support the Palestinians (not the extremist factions of course). I have made that perfectly clear throughout this thread. The principle is exactly the same as saying that Ukraine do not have the right to invade Russia and destroy its cities because Russia has done it to them. Would you accuse me of hating the whole population of the Ukraine? There is an issue here as Israel didn’t exist before 1948 so any mention of them before that refers to Jewish people. Later, after the creation of Israel, we defer to Israelis (who are predominately Jewish people). When we talk about generic international issues we usually talk about the country rather than the individuals making the decisions, hence Israeli Palestinian conflicts. Russia invading Ukraine. This continues to happen every day, the use of past events to try and diffuse and deflect criticism of actions now. I am just a random bloke on a football forum not explaining my opinion particularly well, but listen to the likes of Noam Chomsky who has a far greater insight into this than you and I. There are many deeply knowledgeable Jewish people who would also qualify as “antisemitic” because of their views.

That is criticism of the way the Israeli government and their army are acting. It isn’t endorsing the way that Jewish people have been treated over the ages and certainly doesn’t endorse the Holocaust as Farage did. The same would be true if the comment was directed at anybody else but as we know, we are not allowed to be critical of the Israeli government and their military. There are Jewish people who make the same point.

Spain joins the condemnation https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/6/6/spain-says-will-join-gaza-genocide-case-against-israel-at-icj

An example of real antisemitism https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-fascist-nazi-song-gas-them-all-ukip-brexit-schoolfriend-dulwich-college-a7185236.html

I’m more likely to appear on a list of unpopular voters. My vote goes to Trousers with an honourable mention to Master Bates for his avatar.

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I don’t know who is advising Sunak, but it is almost as if they are doing their level best not to get him elected.

A pretty tame QT last night apart from the Tory guy when asked about the importance of integrity then went on to repeat the lie about the £2k tax rise. I thought that Carla Denyer came across well.

If you have another poster on ignore their posts still appear when another poster quotes their post. This doesn’t happen on the Ugly Inside forum so it should be an easy tweak to make.

Another Rishi gaff… https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/07/rishi-sunak-criticised-for-leaving-d-day-event-early-to-record-itv-interview John Crace skewers both Farage and Badenoch… https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/03/lights-cameras-farage-nige-just-couldnt-bear-to-be-left-out

Probably more of a reason not to use them where women and children are sheltering then?

Not helpful… https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/05/jerusalem-israeli-nationalist-flag-march-muslim-areas

We have moved on 20 years and now also have drones that can take out individuals. The Israeli army also has a proud record in the past of surgical strikes against specific targets. If you fire rockets and shells into buildings you know to be full of women and children, guess what, you are going to kill a lot of women and children.

For the record I didn’t back Abbott to the hilt. I said that he article was clumsy and badly written but I didn’t think that it had antisemitic intent. A number of other people said the same. I said that Starmer had made the point that there is no hierarchy of racism and I agreed with that. There is a difference between talking about different types of prejudice, which is the point she was trying to make, and denying that others don’t get it, which she didn’t. Which groups did I discriminate against and where is the evidence that I discriminated against Jewish people? If you are conflating criticism with discrimination you will not be alone in this thread. Re Abbott’s previous comments, I stated quite clearly that I was focussing on that particular article because that is what she was suspended for. If there was any other historic reasons I don’t recall them being mentioned at the time. If there were, I assume that she has been exonerated of them as she is still in the party. There is nothing unreasonable about that as much as you would like to make it so. Corbyn claims that he is not antisemitic. Has he been been found guilty of being so? His handling of the antisemitism claims in Labour were poor and he is clearly a strong supporter of the Palestinians, as many people are, it doesn’t make everybody antisemitic. I don’t think that Starmer was right to remove the whip from her but given the microscope he is under he didn’t really have any choice did he? Those who hate her and constantly play the antisemitic card had already decided her guilt, although her article was much more about black/brown and white divisions than anything to do with Jewish people specifically and if you read the article in The Observer you will see why she responded as she did. The comment about the hostages being safer with Hamas was a reference to the IDF killing several of its own who were unarmed and carrying a white flag. The IDF were also found to have killed several Israeli police inside an Israeli police station being held hostage and then bulldozered over the scene (this from the Israeli police). Also look at the number of innocent civilians, aid workers and journalists killed by the IDF and my comment is not discriminatory, it is well justified. As for trying to refine the definition of antisemitism, no, I was reframing it and making the obvious point that every time anyone tries to criticise the actions of the Israeli government and their military, the same old tropes are thrown back in our faces and it is made to be all about a hatred for Jewish people. I can’t claim credit for that, it came from an article from a political commentator who made the point much better than I did. Re the length of my posts, you also write very long posts and I have switched off halfway through many of them, but thanks for the advice. My advice to you and the others who take issue with my opinions, if you don’t like them, don’t read them. It really is very simple.

It is the end of times!

The other thread is called “D-Day Comemorative - why isn’t Southampton’s part being acknowleged?” My thread has nothing to do with Southampton’s part in D-Day, but if it really bothers you that much perhaps suggest that a mod merges it with one that is about a different issue/subject. The reason I started a separate thread is because this one is more generic and not so specific but sorry if that is an issue for you.

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Bless him. You would think he would have more important things to do like wallow in his attention seeking CoT thread. Do you think anyone has actually explained to him that he doesn’t have to read my posts? Masochistic as well as narcissistic perhaps?

Yes I do waffle. And you are very grumpy. We were shown how precise munitions were in the Iraq war so it comes as a bit of a surprise to see so much “collateral damage” there is now by a well drilled and equipped military machine now. Unless,of course, the IDF are not bothered about precision and are just killing indiscriminately, which I think is more to the point.

Look at the headings, might give you a clue.

There was a phone in today on LBC where they discussed the fact that people who lived through WW2 rarely, if ever, spoke about their experiences. My mum was 9 and my dad was 11 when war was declared. My mum spent most of the Blitz in London although did spend a few months as an evacuee in Devon. My dad was in London and eventually joined the Home Guard. Neither of my grandads were involved due to injuries sustained in WW1. Some of my mum’s siblings took part in the action and my dad’s brother fought with the 8th Army in Italy. One of my mum’s sisters (she was one of eleven) was married to a Spitfire pilot who perished in an accident returning from a mission. With the exception of a few hoary old anecdotes, none of them spoke about the war. My mum had a couple of stories which would wheeled out once a year but my dad didn’t say a word. The same with his brother who saw action. There was a gas mask in the hall stand and various bits of military paraphernalia spread around the house in the 50’s; photos, badges, medals, bits of shrapnel etc. The subject of the war just didn’t come up. I asked my old mates from the same era and they said it was exactly the same with them and their families. It seemed to be a common understanding that us kids didn’t ask questions and the grown ups just didn’t go there. Was it the same with you guys? The general comment on the phone in was that the generations that lived through the war were so traumatised that they avoided reliving the memories as much as possible. It had been very touching watching the last of the old boys who took part of the invasion, some who have avoided returning before to now, finally, pay homage to their old friends and colleagues. God knows what goes through their minds when they see that war is still being waged in Europe. I would love to be able to pass on the memories of their grandparents to my children, but I can’t. They have died with them. God bless the previous generations who gave their lives for us.