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Maybe a bit early for him even on the bench?

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Now that would be playing a weakened team.

Yeah, no point in turning up.

I could see the logic of the decision although I didn't agree with it. If Cedric isn't going to get a game against pacy wingers why buy him? The whole point of playing full back is to nullify wingers who are generally, erm, fast. I think Ron is overthinking his team selections this year and wonder if the poor run in last season has anything to do with it? We look much better when we let other teams worry about us. Although United eventually went on to dominate a large chunk of the game, they were no where near as dynamic as we were in the first 20 or 30 minutes and they only dominated because we sat back and let them play. I'd like to see a settled back 4 of Cedic Fonte van Dijk Bertrand and then mess around with the midfield depending on tactics.

Yep, it is. I wish it were otherwise as he is clearly a lovely bloke with a good attitude, but he does make too many mistakes that lead to us conceding. No one is error free but he just seems to lose concentration more than most and bam - goal.

It is the sign of a good player. You would have expected that from the captain but Fonte seemed reluctant to push up.

Yoshi has a great attitude and is fine as a no4 CH on the bench but as you say, he is error prone and unfortunately most of his errors lead to goals against. I also agree that it was not an appalling performance, the stats show that we had enough of the game to have won it. For a long period we did sit too deeply but for the first 30 mins we were superb and we also finished very well. On another day we would have got a draw at least.

Indeed. Two matches played and his game has been forensically scrutinised and he has been judged as rubbish. Sunday's game was bizarre. Three shots on target and three goals. If we were that clinical we would be top of the league. The defence sat back too deeply but VVD was the only one trying to get them forward as far as I could see. Early days but he looks like he will be a quality signing for us.

It is not the first time Yoshida has played at full back and to be fair he has made howlers at CH too. I will eat my cat if he gets player of the season.

If that was the case why stay? He seems to be set to see his contract out. Why would you do that if you were not settled? Don't forget he has recently had surgery - perhaps that is playing him up?

Hero to zero already? he has only just managed to get Toby's replacement in and two key players haven't started the season yet. Give him time. There are plenty of clubs have a poor start and pick things up eventually.

Agreed but he is a young guy who cost a lot of money and the media and pundits are always looking for "the next big thing."

You are clearly much smarter than I am Sherlock so I will let you work that out for yourself.

He was the wrong side of the man so when he made his challenge the only place the ball was going was across the face of the goal. Basic law of defending - never play the ball across the face of the goal. Not as bad a mistake as the second but the bottom line is that he set up both goals for Martial. I don't know whether we ran out of steam after that great start, but the main reason we lost is because the defence decided to sit back too deeply allowing them to play through midfield. But even when they had a lot of the ball they didn't create much. The difference between top 4 teams and the rest is taking advantage when you get the chance. I was watching the game with a Manc supporter and said that we were going to struggle after not getting more goals in that hot opening spell (I also told him that Yoshi would probably gift them a goal before kick off - should have put some money on it). It is no shame to lose to Manchester United and there were plenty of signs that we will be ok this season. We haven't seen Clasie yet and Bertrand is due back soon. VVD has only played 2 games for us. Ron hasn't turned into a bad manager overnight. As someone else said we will probably have a few more bumpy games before we turn the corner but things will improve.

Seems to me that you need scapegoats too so welcome to the Simpleton club Sherlock.

We played United off the pitch at the start and the end today. We have a decent squad and once Bertrand and Clasie are back we will be stronger. Don't panic.

I was saying he was a good signing.

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I watched the game with a Plastic Manc mate and was saying to him after that great start that we were sitting too deep. United are poor at the back and when we were going at them at the start and the end they were cr@pping themselves. As for Yoshi, he has his supporters on here but I wonder how many more howlers he has to make before people realise that he really isn't a Premiership quality player.

yep, he was a good signing.

We don't normally agree Charles but I totally agree with this. He was very unlucky with the shot and looked quality today.

Yep, spot on. Cant quite understand what happened to us after such a great start but we looked like a different side after that great start. Lots of positives to take from this but we need to believe.

Sadly this is true. He has a good attitude but he is a liability. But Shurlock wont have that, he thinks the management is to blame for Yoshida's mistakes.

Yoshida made errors today that cost us the match, not van Dijk, but no thread to slate him.