OldNick

it is still wrong that the way MJ has been treated on here.You cant have a rule for 1 and not another.As with TL he may well have been let down by moneymen who got cold feet.That is why the moneymen like anominity as if they lose their nerve their reputation doesnt go with it. It is left on the frontman to lose any credibility (that is the price of commissions gained). For TL you can read MJ, both were people genuinely trying to find buyers but at the last minute were let down. They then try and paddle the canoe as long as possible in the vain search for another to take the place of the one lost.Both are seen as fantascists now but I believe they tried, and as they both put serious money into their bids neither will come away unhurt financially. It is easy to sit here and have a pop.How many of you lot would put your house on the line for the club, or even risk getting a loan of 10k so you could go and try and find a buyer? Yes they both are fantascists and dreamers, but so are we on here talking about our club but when push comes to shove really we dont love it enough to go and actually spend a decent wedge of our own money trying to find someone to buy it. Iam sad that it has come to this, I still believe (stupidly) that it can't happen to us. What have i done to try and save us.....well I turned up to Saintsaid and put £30 into a pot, I have debated and argued about how it should be done, as for anything else apart from asking the odd multi millionaire i know or met 'how about buying saints' I have done nothing. Shame on me.

IMO I dont think Salzs lot are amaeurish middlemen, just very hardnosed and probably ruthless.

thanks for the review, you aint an Echo reporter are you...........only kidding (to both parties)

Hey Beer, dont let Ginge get to you. He's alright really and you also give as good as you get and so dont need to lose your rag.

hey DD is it positive stuff or just perhaps etc?

the Salz group will be rubbing their hands in glee, their strategy seems to be coming to fruition.

well if you were you would have known about my previous.

I put that on a PM to Farmer. Why the kid gloves. If there really is something so wrong in what the FL is asking then expose it (or let it leak) If it is appalling then the media will strike and the FL will have to take into account that. It will put unbelievable pressure on the FL. If Pinnacle leave it too late we will be gone and the FL will be able to move on. I expect the sympathy would move to us and then others may come out of the woodwork wanting to help in this injustice. I can only see it as an excuse otherwise. Reading TL's update and FF it is fairly clear that the initial money did walk and they jumped the gun as I and others pointed out.

I of course meant the forums that were alive before this is as well that the saintsweb followed on from.

we were winning the forum match with 2 minutes to go......oh

In future I will have to word my posts carefully for the lack of understanding. I think it was fairly obvious it was my opinion. As for the last bit I think you are out of order. You just being a late comer to these forums would not have seen the abuse i took night after night defending people at the club.From the Devil through to Kelvin. I didnt change my mind under the attacks then, but in the case of Pinnacle Jackson etc I have listened read and tried to get a balance if there has been a fair debate that help change opinion.I of course cannot let you be privvy to PM's as well. Pinnacle I was sceptical of from early on, I have becone more positive about them in the last 2 days, that may niot be clever but I cant explain why I have a felling that they may just come good.No info to suggest it, but a weird feeling of hope. Probably just hope or I may be pregnant (Im giving MB some ammo here)

Ginge I odnt need to go to the kids ward to understand perspective thanks

Au contraire monsewer au contraire. I was very vocal about that , as were a few others.They tried to shout us down but the few did see the madness of King Wilde

I cant understand why fairly smart people would roll out somebody who would be quickly rubbished by a few clicks on the internet.That alone doesnt add up and I cant see why as yet Pinnacle are trying to make a smokescreen. Fry I doubt is amused as he is being to made to look foolish in accepting their bid in the first place.Clapham has not been posting and I do wonder how the trade willl view Fry's performance. I doubt his reputation will be enhanced by a football club under his watch being liquidated for the first time (of our size) Ego's will be bruised and I hope that may make Fry move his a### and concentrate his mind fully into getting a bid done, no more of his games with sudden appearances of overseas biddes may help. I have for quite some time been worried about his complacency and wished then that he took MJ's bid on the table and at least he could have shook that off early doors by calling their bluff.Just accepting may have seen them either pay up or run a mile (MJ's group had a bid on the table weeks ago and well before Pinnacle. Yes I know all about him, but it would have finished his stuff then) Pinnacle may then have not rushed before having their money people fully on board. Of course the defenders of fry (who is not working for the best for my interests as a fan) would be trying to get the most but we didn't have the time, he no doubt is used to when playing bidder against bidder in normal commerce. I hope Pinnacle do the business, if not I will jump on the Swiss wagon and then if they do not come up trumps Im with the carpet baggers

I cant understand why I feel this way but I have a feeling there still may be a twist in this sorry tale.

this is why we are never going to be united. It is not just them FFS look back to Askham, Wiseman LC and all the other jokers who said nothing to stop the rot and also made decisions to overspend.We have a lot of people to blame but at this stage we pray/hope/etc etc

this is for the Lounge, 1 is a disloyal frigging Skate.

If I was a betting man I would put my money on the Salz group, if they still are waiting to pounce of course.The club would be a bargain at 5-6m. Even if we get -25 the club could be bought with no debt and move on from there.We the fans would have ot be patient and I assume only 7-10 would attend until the good times arrived.Some will say they will not get it for 5-6 m, but they will when all else fails and we are at the liquidation stage.Yes we will have minus 25 but Salz and co wont have any worries as they will be the 'saviours' and we of course will be eternally grateful for them to come in.I myself will accept theor ownership but will always be grudging

As you would no doubt agree , he has done nothing wrong. I believe it will be others who will have the finger pointed at.

we've heard it all before. I do hope it is not the boy who cried takeover too much

Following from an earlierpost do you think -10 would mean us being relegated, because if so Pinnacle shouldnt consider bidding , as with a decent manager and a few tweaks we should make the play-offs easily even with that start. Now if the hold up is because we really may be facing -25 come out and tell us and Im sure people would be more understanding. ps Farmer, I think you are a decent lad to come on and face the fans on here.I personally believe you have done it all for the best reasons, and should hold your head up.If it comes to nothing Im not sure we will be so understanding of others.

I said you wuld not expect ot buy the club at that level. There are said to be people waiting with 5m. They have been waiting all along and would have factored in -25 and relegation.The stadium alone would expect to generate plenty of business without football just as a venue and business centre.

I think we both wonder why things have been as they are and so perhaps.

that is something I couldnt fathom , I mentioned that last night. TL and co would have known the sleuths would be checking straight away, so why wheel him out?

but it would be at a much reduced price.Obviously not at 14m or even 10m