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Stop being ignorant there are a few examples in this thread alone which highlight it's use as a racist slur. If you were in say Atlanta would you be ready to joke with a couple of random black guys about them being fried chicken eaters? doubt it.

they scored relatively few away goals? they were quite a few teams that they didn't lose to home or away so lost "real" points? e.g. their six points from us becomes only 3 points.

Come on mate you're better than this. The footage and photos are poor resolution plus the clothes are dark, it's hardly surprising you can't see loads of blood. In any case: there is a body, bloody smears on the pavement, bloody hands of one of the attackers who was holding a cleaver and loads of witnesses who saw them attacking the victim.

Oh stop being such an hysterical tart. Since the dawn of time there have been reactionaries moaning that the country has gone to **** and that it was so much better X years ago.

Good post Verbal, it'll be wasted on many here.

Disgusting incident, really shocking. Sad to see idiots on here using it to justify their own bigotry.

Yes but if gays were simply granted equal rights in the first place then civil unions would never have been invented. The Government have got themselves in a mess over this whole issue and should have presented a more complete bill that either did away with civil unions all together or extended them to non-gays. This botched job is a consequence of wanting to appear 'right on' to younger voters whilst trying to placate their swivel eyed loons in the Tory heartlands. On the other hand the Blair government's inability to push through proper equality in the first place belies their claim to have been a radical government.

Hands up who believes that Turkish really did want a civil union and not a marriage and isn't just saying that to bolster his argument?

In an ideal world yes. Given the slipshod approach to policy displayed by this Government I think it's best to pass this current bill and the refine it afterwards to make it more fair.

Well we now have a bit of a mess. I'm all for equality so if non-gays see value in a civil partnership then they should be allowed. In my world gays and non-gays would have equal rights in civil marriage. Everyone would HAVE to get a civil marriage first and foremost, if they then wanted a religious blessing then that's up to them. Religious institutions could decide to whom they wanted to offer those blessing.

do you agree that gays should have the same rights, in the eyes of the STATE as non gays or not? Simple question YES or NO. Do you understand what is meant by "The State"? I'm not asking about religion I'm asking about Civil Marriage for gays. Agree or not?

No you didn't, you're retrofitting to suit your stance. So because you personally don't know any gays that want that right then no gays want that right. Guess what? I know some gays that do want to get married. In any case if gays don't want to get married then they don't have to. easy enough.

Funny how you're always playing devil's advocate on threads like this. Forget all the whatabouttery: do you agree that gays should have the same rights, in the eyes of the STATE as non gays or not? Simple question YES or NO.

really? you can't see where I'm going with this? OK I'll connects the dots for you: So YOU see a point to marriage but you can't see why another section of society might also want to get married?

Are you married or imagine that you might get married one day?

But you don't have to ask the question whether or not someone has built his house do you?!

Its also dirt cheap to travel around by train - up to 5 adults can go pretty much anywhere in the country on one weekend ticket costing €42.

Bexy that billboard sums it up perfectly.

You're surely contradicting yourself their. You say "they" have no concept of nationality and instead identify with religion but you term them Pakistanis rather than Muslims. People often bang on about South Asians supporting their ancestral countries for Cricket. So the **** what?

Of course, all those who left school with poor qualifications were model pupils with supportive parents, who were desperate to learn but were simply let down by their schools.

A logical conclusion of clamping down on immigration?

Totally. Compare the number of caps earned by Downing to Le Tiss.

Cheers Trousers - that was like reading a Niel Allen article!

You could base it on percentiles, so all grades are relative to the year group. As for Gove I just can't see him becoming a successful leader. He's even more of an awkward geek than Miliband. As an Education Secretary he's terrible in any case - just want makes him qualified to have such strident views on education?

You know that the u21s under Pearce has easily been England's most successful period? - qualification after qualification including runners-up and losing a semi-final on pens. Results since the last tournament: 25/03/2013 England 4 - 0 Austria Under-21s International Win 21/03/2013 England 3 - 0 Romania Under-21s International Win 05/02/2013 England 4 - 0 Sweden Under-21s International Win 13/11/2012 England 2 - 0 Northern Ireland Under-21s International Win 16/10/2012 Serbia 0 - 1 England European Championship, Israel 2013, Regional Stages Win 12/10/2012 England 1 - 0 Serbia European Championship, Israel 2013, Regional Stages Win 10/09/2012 England 1 - 0 Norway European Championship, Israel 2013, Regional Stages Win 06/09/2012 Azerbaijan 0 - 2 England European Championship, Israel 2013, Regional Stages Win 29/02/2012 England 4 - 0 Belgium European Championship, Israel 2013, Regional Stages Win 14/11/2011 Belgium 2 - 1 England European Championship, Israel 2013, Regional Stages Loss 10/11/2011 England 5 - 0 Iceland European Championship, Israel 2013, Regional Stages Win 10/10/2011 Norway 1 - 2 England European Championship, Israel 2013, Regional Stages Win 06/10/2011 Iceland 0 - 3 England European Championship, Israel 2013, Regional Stages Win 05/09/2011 England 4 - 1 Israel Under-21s International Win 01/09/2011 England 6 - 0 Azerbaijan European Championship, Israel 2013, Regional Stages Win So that's P15 W14 D0 L1 F43 A4 GD+39. Yep Pearce is doing an awful job.