modern matron Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 I have to say that I am very worried about MLT's position! Initially I was impressed with TL and his honesty. However, I know nothing about the bid except trhat Pinnacle is a very small bit part player backed by who and we are receiving to many forum updates telling us little we didn't know? Why don't we know the prospective new owner's identity and why are things so stuck over the 10 points at such a vital time. Does MLT have involvement in decision making? I mean KD coaching himself and Mark Wotte managing on a contract of what 5 days!! That is a joke and what about season ticket renewals, contract renewals, a new manager and players..... I am worried and I think if MLT was not linked I would have given up by now. Let's here from the prospective owner not TL and then I will be convinced. Frankly we don't want Howard Hughes or more recently Marcus Evans invisible Ipswich owner type methods. My final comment (which I sincerely hope will be totally wrong) is that this bid doesn't fail and in some way tarnish MLT's reputation. Still positive (just)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Honest answer - i'd be very very sceptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 (edited) honestly probably liking them to wilde... infact...i am already very sceptical as for TL...sounds all too familiar with the communications on a message board Edited 23 June, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 honestly probably liking them to wilde... infact...i am already very sceptical as for TL...sounds all too familiar with the communications on a message board I don't think there's any reason to liken them to Wilde. Pinnacle don't need fan support to take control of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Its starting to seem like Michael Wilde style smoke and mirrors. I really , really hope Im wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Honestly, I'd be very scpetical. However, the fact that Le Tiss IS on board fills me with confidence. That man has earnt the trust of all Saints' fans and I am willing to put my faith in him and Pinnacle to come good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 I'd like to know more about the Swiss bid.I must admit if Matt wasn't involved I'd give up on Pinnacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Even before the problems, this bid was worth fook all to me without Le Tiss. Also...I hope all these shenanigans won't put off the backer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 But he is, so the OP is hypothetical and irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 I'd be thinking -don't know much about them but appear to be coming up with money to save the club so give them a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 23 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Honestly, I'd be very scpetical. However, the fact that Le Tiss IS on board fills me with confidence. That man has earnt the trust of all Saints' fans and I am willing to put my faith in him and Pinnacle to come good. I suppose what I mean if you replace TL with MJ being backed by MLT is there a lot of difference - I know MJ has talked crap unlike TL but would we have backed Jacko if MLT backed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 I'd be thinking -don't know much about them but appear to be coming up with money to save the club so give them a chance have they though...? we have no idea really...so far, they have saved................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 23 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 June, 2009 I'd be thinking -don't know much about them but appear to be coming up with money to save the club so give them a chance I'm sorry on what grounds is this better than any other bid? We have no idea do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Honest answer - i'd be very very sceptical. Absolutely. honestly probably liking them to wilde... infact...i am already very sceptical as for TL...sounds all too familiar with the communications on a message board Agree with this too. Honestly, I'd be very scpetical. However, the fact that Le Tiss IS on board fills me with confidence. That man has earnt the trust of all Saints' fans and I am willing to put my faith in him and Pinnacle to come good. And agree with this - the fact that MLT is on board is the reason to keep believing. Yesterday I had serious doubts - the ten points thing is just dragging on far too long and stinks of red herring - but todays commitment to pay the staff makes me feel much better. I think it probably will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 23 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Absolutely. Agree with this too. And agree with this - the fact that MLT is on board is the reason to keep believing. Yesterday I had serious doubts - the ten points thing is just dragging on far too long and stinks of red herring - but todays commitment to pay the staff makes me feel much better. I think it probably will happen. Does the delay make you doubt whether this is the best bid? Also if MLT hadn't backed what in you opinion would have been the reaction of the forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 have they though...? we have no idea really...so far, they have saved................................... they have paid up more than anyone else - said to be in excess of £1/2m so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 23 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 June, 2009 they have paid up more than anyone else - said to be in excess of £1/2m so far[ Who has paid up though - is it Leon Crouch or the invisible one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 I'm sorry on what grounds is this better than any other bid? We have no idea do we? they are more advanced than anyother bid, Fry preferred them all along. We can't compare so wouldn't say they are the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 they have paid up more than anyone else - said to be in excess of £1/2m so far[ Who has paid up though - is it Leon Crouch or the invisible one? does it matter? Would have thought if it was Leon he would have told us by now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 23 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 June, 2009 does it matter? Would have thought if it was Leon he would have told us by now! Is it just me or is the secrecy bit wearing a bit thin now - especially about this person's role in the future (if successful) set up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Does the delay make you doubt whether this is the best bid? Also if MLT hadn't backed what in you opinion would have been the reaction of the forum? Pinnacle are still the best bid because they've got further than anyone else, and that idiot Jackson isn't involved in it. If MLT wasn't involved Pinnacle would have been ripped apart by the good people on here (including me) and this forum would be even more of a sh*tstorm than it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 23 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Pinnacle are still the best bid because they've got further than anyone else, and that idiot Jackson isn't involved in it. If MLT wasn't involved Pinnacle would have been ripped apart by the good people on here (including me) and this forum would be even more of a sh*tstorm than it is now. First lol for days1 Nicew one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 For once we have someone (TL) being as open an honest as he can and keeping the fans updated about what is happening to the best of his ability (a lot he cannot disclose because of confidentiality issues)....and yet still we have fans turning on the bloke because they cannot be patient and mature enough to be patient and accept they are taking there time for a bloody good reason. If MLT is happy to be as involved as he is then that is good enough for me. He obviously has complete faith in the money man (and he knows who that is, and he has complete faith in Pinnacle) Come on guys, i'm as anxious for all this to settled as anyone else but i'm prepared to be patient and courteous to the people trying to save our club....rather than try to turn everything into a conspiracy theory!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Can you imagine if Wacko jacko was posting Tony's messages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Le Tissier isn't just involved with the Pinnacle bid, he wants what is best for the club, if this falls through and another consortium wanted him to front there bid (and has already been approached by one interested party i believe) i'm sure he would seriously consider it If jackson was posting the messages TL is, he would get slated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Personally as i said few days ago that i think the whole -10 thing is a way for Pinnacle to get out of the deal. Of all the legal things that go with buying a buisness especially one that is in admin, something like the -10 argument seems really weak. Of course you should be entitled to appeal, it is a right everyone should have. But we have to remember that the company went into admin on april the 2nd and got the deduction on 27th. The league took 25 days to give the decision. We have then had 2 months since then. If Pinnacle were serious they should of gone into the exclusivity period knowing that the chances of appealing that after 1 month let alone 2 would likely be rejected. How long does a company have to appeal that? I just fail to see the importance of this point, how does getting the minus 10 reversed help the club on anything other then the pitch? It does not give any financial gains to it. The only way it would is if we finished 9 points way from promotion at the end of the year. Then we could say it has hindered us. But right now with the club in the shambles it is with both playing and coaching staff under par what are the odds of that happening? The more this drags on the more it is hurting the club for next season. I could not care less if we were playing in division 3 or the mickey mouse league, what matters is the clubs longterm future is put 1st, and arguing over something so trivial as a minus 10 deduction is not doing that, it should not be a priority. The club was badly managed from top to bottom for many years. Don't let the legacy of that continue to harm the club. Either bite the bullet and sign the deal of admit you can't do it for whatever reasons and let us get on with it. The one person who has come out of all this with some credit thus far is Crouch. The man lost over a million pounds the moment the club went into admin, but he had helped to pay the wages to staff since then. Fair play to the guy as he has put his money where his mouth is. Some of these people need to look at that example and follow suit. However i doubt MLT would of got involved in this if he did not think A,they had the money or B,were serious about it. I can imagine he is just as frustrated as we all are. The clocks ticking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 to Maybush Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Every day Pinnacle drag their heels in concluding the deal is one day less to prepare for next season. This bickering with the league over the -10 seems rediculous, merely over a point of principle. Pinnacle entered into negotiations to buy this club in full cognizance of the fact that there was a -10 penalty imposed by the league. It really is time to sh it or get off the pot. I have to say that this prevarication over concluding the deal on the part of Pinnacle does not fill me with confidence in the future, regardless of MLT's involvement with the bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evo Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 If jackson was posting the messages TL is, he would get slated To be fair, if he was we probably wouldn't be able to understand what he was on about and it would probably turn into a rant about how everyone is "shouting him down". If MLT wasn't linked to Pinnacle what would you think now? Oh ****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 To be fair, if he was we probably wouldn't be able to understand what he was on about and it would probably turn into a rant about how everyone is "shouting him down". Oh ****! i meant the exact same messages TL is a time waster, until proven otherwise in my book, i hope i am proven wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamRed Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Honestly, I'd be very scpetical. However, the fact that Le Tiss IS on board fills me with confidence. That man has earnt the trust of all Saints' fans and I am willing to put my faith in him and Pinnacle to come good. Spot on! Everyone's frustrated, and but the great scheme of things, an extra few day's in neither here nor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamRed Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Spot on! Everyone's frustrated, and but the great scheme of things, an extra few day's in neither here nor there. Sorry, I'm a bit ****ed (just back from the rose Bowl.). What i MEANT TO SAY WAS.... Everyone's frustrated, and but in the great scheme of things, an extra few day's is neither here nor there. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Pinnacle are clearly small fry; punching well above their weight with nothing but belief, hope and bravado on their side. Well that and Matthew "Le God" Le Tissier, of course. Reminds me of a certain south cost football club I used to enjoy supporting... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 For once we have someone (TL) being as open an honest as he can and keeping the fans updated about what is happening to the best of his ability (a lot he cannot disclose because of confidentiality issues)....and yet still we have fans turning on the bloke because they cannot be patient and mature enough to be patient and accept they are taking there time for a bloody good reason. If MLT is happy to be as involved as he is then that is good enough for me. He obviously has complete faith in the money man (and he knows who that is, and he has complete faith in Pinnacle) Come on guys, i'm as anxious for all this to settled as anyone else but i'm prepared to be patient and courteous to the people trying to save our club....rather than try to turn everything into a conspiracy theory!!!! Yes indeed. Come on people, please be patient. Let Pinnacle do what they need to do. Get off this forum for a couple of days, and come back refreshed. You know it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockland Dave Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 I think we are all too emotionally involved in this one to make an honest apprasail. TL is only mouth piece for an invisible investor, I suspect to blame him for the prolonged negociations would be unfair. If you saw that you had a real case against the FL, and were not being allowed to challenge it, wouldn't you push the issue?? Remember how much money an extra year in Div 1 may cost that individual. How would we feel if at the end of the seson we are one point off the playoffs with the deduction?? I think TL and co is expecting to pay the wages this month, and I see that as a statement of intent. I suspect once this is all resolved the board, manager etc will fall into place almost imediately. I think we all have to be patient, and wait for this mess to resolve its self. Remember the alternative is MJ, a delusional idiot, who I wouldn't trust to purchase a used car off !!(or a used photocopier) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Yes indeed. Come on people, please be patient. Let Pinnacle do what they need to do. Get off this forum for a couple of days, and come back refreshed. You know it makes sense. maybe he needs to stay off it for a couple of days and sort out the deal 1 way or another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 to Maybush Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 Yes indeed. Come on people, please be patient. Let Pinnacle do what they need to do. Get off this forum for a couple of days, and come back refreshed. You know it makes sense. I've done that for the last two months and still see no progress. I will therefore give it another week, but have little faith that the deal will be concluded by then. If I was Fry I would be seriously evaluating the other bids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 If MLT wasn't linked to Pinnacle what would I think now? Exactly the same. They are trying hard to get terms that would be acceptable to them. If they can't, then they won't buy. If they can, they will. MLT doesn't change that one bit, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 I've done that for the last two months and still see no progress. I will therefore give it another week, but have little faith that the deal will be concluded by then. OOh, you must be scaring Pinnacle now. You will give it another week? Wow, and if it takes longer you will support Pompey?:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 i meant the exact same messages TL is a time waster, until proven otherwise in my book, i hope i am proven wrong only on here! Why are people so keen to slag people off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 I don't think there's any reason to liken them to Wilde. Pinnacle don't need fan support to take control of the club. Is n't that hwere the last bunch went wrong??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 I've done that for the last two months and still see no progress. I will therefore give it another week, but have little faith that the deal will be concluded by then. If I was Fry I would be seriously evaluating the other bids. have you been disappointed with what you have seen when you have been reading the contracts and financial agreements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 23 June, 2009 Share Posted 23 June, 2009 I'd think the same thing as I am thinking now - 'Hurry up and conclude the deal!'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 24 June, 2009 Share Posted 24 June, 2009 Yes indeed. Come on people, please be patient. Let Pinnacle do what they need to do. Get off this forum for a couple of days, and come back refreshed. You know it makes sense. Quite. Basically, there is nothing we can do. Ironing out this kind of deal, with so many parties involved, will take time. Rightly or wrongly. We can hypthoersis all day long about why or what is causing the dealy but none of us know the whole picture. It is frustrating but what can we do? Mark Fry is, despite what people might think on here, experienced at what he does and commands a high fee as he knows what he's doing. That might not mean the best deal for the fans but it should mean a deal which keeps a club. From all the info we have had so far, Pinnacle look like they have a plan, go about stuff in a professional way and are intrested in the football side, thus the link up with Matt. I could be wrong. But as i can have no influence and as such my judgement is not relevant, i'd prefer to be wrong on that view than be a sceptic that can turn round and say i told you so if it does go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 24 June, 2009 Share Posted 24 June, 2009 No MLT linked at this stage I would be thinking, that The Fat Lady is belting out one hell of a song.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 June, 2009 Share Posted 24 June, 2009 Yes indeed. Come on people, please be patient. Let Pinnacle do what they need to do. Get off this forum for a couple of days, and come back refreshed. You know it makes sense. of course you would be saying this if MLT was not involved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonah Posted 24 June, 2009 Share Posted 24 June, 2009 I would be interested to know whether MLT has (a) spoken to the money man in person, (b) ascertained that he is indeed funding the purchase, and © seen firm evidence of funds in place. Because unless he has, I'm afraid he's in danger of being the new Mary Corbett to the new Michael Wilde in terms of this transaction [but otherwise still a God of course]. In reality we still know sweet FA about Pinnacle. We don't even know for a fact who stumped up the exclusivity fee, although we do know it wasn't the full half mill for some reason, let alone how they are funding the purchase - is it all debt? You also have to wonder why someone supposedly worth "hundreds of millions" plucks a chap out of Locks Heath to take his bid forward rather than a professional firm. And why does he plump for MLT as chairman and tell the press before he's even got exclusivity, let alone bought the damn club? Obviously I'm a cynic but things don't ring true - it smacks of a Saints fan bringing back famous footballers (MLT and Keegan) to realise his dreams via a bloke called Tony. As others have said, take MLT out of the equation and most fans would be more than a little worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 24 June, 2009 Share Posted 24 June, 2009 36 hours ago I was criticised for asking that the money man should reveal himself to prove Pinnacle are genuine. Since then TL has made some contradictory statements that has weakened my confidence and to be frank if it wasn't for MLT's presence and the thought of reading another "a Jackson fronted consortium story" in the Echo I would be close to thinking it was never going to happen. Because of MLT I will keep the faith a little longer but there really has to be some proper news today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 June, 2009 Share Posted 24 June, 2009 Yes, I would be worried if MLT was not involved, but he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 24 June, 2009 Share Posted 24 June, 2009 I would be interested to know whether MLT has (a) spoken to the money man in person, (b) ascertained that he is indeed funding the purchase, and © seen firm evidence of funds in place. Because unless he has, I'm afraid he's in danger of being the new Mary Corbett to the new Michael Wilde in terms of this transaction [but otherwise still a God of course]. In reality we still know sweet FA about Pinnacle. We don't even know for a fact who stumped up the exclusivity fee, although we do know it wasn't the full half mill for some reason, let alone how they are funding the purchase - is it all debt? You also have to wonder why someone supposedly worth "hundreds of millions" plucks a chap out of Locks Heath to take his bid forward rather than a professional firm. And why does he plump for MLT as chairman and tell the press before he's even got exclusivity, let alone bought the damn club? Obviously I'm a cynic but things don't ring true - it smacks of a Saints fan bringing back famous footballers (MLT and Keegan) to realise his dreams via a bloke called Tony. As others have said, take MLT out of the equation and most fans would be more than a little worried. All valid points. I am aware in the initial stages MLT knew very little about the money man and certainly had not met him. I believe TL was acting as the middle man and MLT was putting his trust in TL rather than anyone else. This has been a constant worry to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 24 June, 2009 Share Posted 24 June, 2009 I would be interested to know whether MLT has (a) spoken to the money man in person, (b) ascertained that he is indeed funding the purchase, and © seen firm evidence of funds in place. Because unless he has, I'm afraid he's in danger of being the new Mary Corbett to the new Michael Wilde in terms of this transaction [but otherwise still a God of course]. In reality we still know sweet FA about Pinnacle. We don't even know for a fact who stumped up the exclusivity fee, although we do know it wasn't the full half mill for some reason, let alone how they are funding the purchase - is it all debt? You also have to wonder why someone supposedly worth "hundreds of millions" plucks a chap out of Locks Heath to take his bid forward rather than a professional firm. And why does he plump for MLT as chairman and tell the press before he's even got exclusivity, let alone bought the damn club? Obviously I'm a cynic but things don't ring true - it smacks of a Saints fan bringing back famous footballers (MLT and Keegan) to realise his dreams via a bloke called Tony. As others have said, take MLT out of the equation and most fans would be more than a little worried. jonah sum reasoned argument....no doubt that Rupert is not far away from your thinking.....More importantly, what is your view on Jacko or is that too close for comfort.:smt054 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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