SW11_Saint Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 (edited) Now we have the new regime, and they have promised to re-engage with the fan-base/community, can we start a petition to bring back our legendary kit-man Woggy Taylor. It just isn't the same without him. Bring back Woggy!!! Post your support here... (Admins, any chance of a sticky?) Edited 12 July, 2009 by SW11_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Woggy is an institution at Saints. The club would be sending out all the right messages by bringing him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Now we have the new regime, and they have promised to re-engage with the fan-base/community, can we start a petition to bring back our legendary kit-man Woggy Taylor. It just isn't the same without him. How's that? Are the shirts being washed with the wrong sort of fabric softener? Or are they being folded across instead of diagonally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 How's that? Are the shirts being washed with the wrong sort of fabric softener? Or are they being folded across instead of diagonally? Sentiment is a bit more than that. Of course he's pensionable age, but his whole life has been the Saints and if he can still do the job efficiently he should be aöllowed to continue. Alternative is he spends the rest of his active days sat in front of the TV with a six pack ! ......no way. If the spirit of the Saints means anything it's also about honouring those who have honoured us with their sweat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Time to move on. You can't run a club or business based on sentiment. I am sure he can get a discount on a ST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Lol, thats right having a pensioner dealing with the kit and also trying to engage with young footballers. Lets bring back the old carpark attendant and the stewards who used to be there 20 years ago.It's laughable. Of course for the last 2 seasons we havent had a kitman and it has done it all by itself.No doubt the one there now has a wife kids and mortgage and is surplus to requirements, and doesnt need a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I've really noticed the difference in the way the kit looks since he's been away... I mean who is the clown they've got doing it now?! Hasn't he heard of starch? Anyway...yeah let's sack whoever's doing it now and get Woggy back in... It would certainly engage me in the spirit of Southampton... As an aside to the **** taking of this pointless thread was i the only one that thought the squad looked a shower of sh:t when warming up yesterday all in different training tops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StInky Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Time to move on. You can't run a club or business based on sentiment. I am sure he can get a discount on a ST. IMO sentiment is an integral part of running a successful club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northam Girls Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Now we have the new regime, and they have promised to re-engage with the fan-base/community, can we start a petition to bring back our legendary kit-man Woggy Taylor. It just isn't the same without him. Bring back Woggy!!! Post your support here... (Admins, any chance of a sticky?) Totally agree they treated him badly and I for one miss him and my daughter was gonna start a petition but you've beat her to it. The true spirit of Southampton - BRING BACK WOGGY ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StInky Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Lol, thats right having a pensioner dealing with the kit and also trying to engage with young footballers. Lets bring back the old carpark attendant and the stewards who used to be there 20 years ago.It's laughable. Of course for the last 2 seasons we havent had a kitman and it has done it all by itself.No doubt the one there now has a wife kids and mortgage and is surplus to requirements, and doesnt need a job. There's a lot to be said for mixing pensioners and "yoof"; plenty of senior schools find it benefits the latter. Oh and btw GM is being pilloried for his racist views . . . ageism is just as bad. (Not that I'm a paid up member of the PC brigade - far from it - it's just that I'm approaching the age where one is beginning to notice it!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StInky Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Oh and BRING BACK WOGGY. Or at least invite him to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Lol, thats right having a pensioner dealing with the kit and also trying to engage with young footballers.. So I presume you know Malcolm to be able to comment on his abilitied (or lack of them) to perform the duties, and I also presume you are aware of his relationship with the players?? Because if you do, then I doubt you would be saying the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Woggy gets my vote for a return....A BOLD move but would show the TIDE of change sweeping through the club....Our new STRIKER Van PERSIL would also look very smart for the publicity phots.....There was Daz and omo but I thought better of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 12 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Time to move on. You can't run a club or business based on sentiment. No, you can't, but that doesn't mean that any decision which might have an element of emotion to it is necessarily wrong (something our last Chairman never understood). We always talk a lot about the "Spirit of Southampton" - well, we used to until it was trampled underfoot - and Woggy was a personification of some of that spirit. Just ask any of our players, past or present, what they think of the man. He always did a fantastic job - and was just a victim of a rather spiteful "cut" from the previous board. He may not even want to come back, but it'd be nice to at least offer him a role, even if it's not with the full responsibility he once had, although I suspect he'd love to get back into things full-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 12 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Woggy gets my vote for a return....A BOLD move but would show the TIDE of change sweeping through the club....Our new STRIKER Van PERSIL would also look very smart for the publicity phots.....There was Daz and omo but I thought better of it. Perhaps he could bring in an apprentice too to provide (E)cover?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 IMO sentiment is an integral part of running a successful club. Yes, it's one part of many. The new owner can't review the ex employee list because of sentiment. The fact is someone else is doing this job now. On the other hand, how about getting Rofey back? He maybe ideal for this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 How the hell has he gained 'legendary' status?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 i would bring back captain crap, ole glenn ****rill himself whilst we are at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Glenn Crockerill is a very highly rated football coach and is a top shout TDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 12 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Glenn Crockerill is a very highly rated football coach and is a top shout TDD. Really nice bloke too - interviewed him once for one of the fanzines (while he was at Orient) and treated us really well, got us match tickets etc. (okay, it was Orient, so hardly a sell out... still nice of him though). Loved his time at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Now we have the new regime, and they have promised to re-engage with the fan-base/community, can we start a petition to bring back our legendary kit-man Woggy Taylor. It just isn't the same without him. Bring back Woggy!!! Post your support here... (Admins, any chance of a sticky?) worked under old regimes - time for fresh start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eharty9 Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 woggy what a legend!!! Completely agree have to bring him back, i know i know it's only the kit man but the bloke doing it now called Rich and is a ****!! All ways used to come in the shop when i was working there thinks he's all that because he's saints kitman haha! WOGGY IN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I believe Woggy has an active job at Eastleigh football club (some suggestion we play the Eastleigh team instead of the current Saints side, in our league this year in order to get some results) would he want to come back? I think so..HE loves Saints and he loved his job. He not only did the kit etc his personality around the players was worth twenty Dutch men...allegedly....His little museum, which I was lucky enough to see, was also well worth a visit for any football loving fan.. As some say ..do not go back....In my view a great loss to the Saints but I very much doubt that Woggy could have worked with The Director of Football..RL...Who I am sure whilst doing everything else would have taken over the kit man duties as well... In my opinion it was not a financial saving but a vindictive move by a very nasty man because of Woggy and his being associated withg the old guard....But as some say we move on.. I am sure RLs little team will continue to have something to say about my humble opinion. Bring back CROCKERILLL while we are at it....AND Jimmy Case for mid field.. If only we could bring back Charlie Wayman, Ron Davies, John Sydenham and Terry Paine. We would walk this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I believe Woggy has an active job at Eastleigh football club (some suggestion we play the Eastleigh team instead of the current Saints side, in our league this year in order to get some results) would he want to come back? I think so..HE loves Saints and he loved his job. He actually works for my company, and that nick, means he is not quite a pensioner yet!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 12 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 July, 2009 In my opinion it was not a financial saving but a vindictive move by a very nasty man because of Woggy and his being associated withg the old guard....But as some say we move on.. I am sure RLs little team will continue to have something to say about my humble opinion. I have absolutely no doubt that was part of the motivation for getting rid of him. Petty, vindictive and spiteful, just what we came to expect from him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 He actually works for my company, and that nick, means he is not quite a pensioner yet!!! I had heard that Woggy was working for a Ginger God:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 So I presume you know Malcolm to be able to comment on his abilitied (or lack of them) to perform the duties, and I also presume you are aware of his relationship with the players?? Because if you do, then I doubt you would be saying the above.I dont know him, but we are talking about peoples living. It is not clear who is the current kitman and I suspect he is much younger and would lose his job.Is that ok on the basis that a man who is close to retiring comes back and somebody loses his job in a period when it is not easy to gain employment.How would you feel if people who have no knowledge of the situation were trying to campaign to get an older employee back to fill your job when no doubt you were doing as good a job if not better at a lower salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 He actually works for my company, and that nick, means he is not quite a pensioner yet!!! He is close to retirment age isn't he? He has a job and that is good and Im sure he is a great bloke. I just cant see the reason to call for his return, perhaps now we have a wealthy owner he may want to do so. Id rather Pearson myself if we are going back to old faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_hill Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Time to move on. You can't run a club or business based on sentiment. I am sure he can get a discount on a ST. Actually, sentiment can go a long way in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I dont know him, but we are talking about peoples living. It is not clear who is the current kitman and I suspect he is much younger and would lose his job.Is that ok on the basis that a man who is close to retiring comes back and somebody loses his job in a period when it is not easy to gain employment.How would you feel if people who have no knowledge of the situation were trying to campaign to get an older employee back to fill your job when no doubt you were doing as good a job if not better at a lower salary. Well if you don't know him then why the jibes rearding his age (it could only be regarding his ability to do the job). With regards who does the job now, then the individual concerned was already employed at the Club and had to take on the extra duties. Given the sums involved (and Malcolm was willing to take a substantial pay cut before Lowe booted him out) I would have thought it was totally feasible to accomodate both of them. Malcolm was much more than just an old fuddy duddy kitman doing the washing, and the regard he is held in by a range of players (young and old) mean I would happily see him back in the fold. One of the reasons for his return is the camaraderie, the spirit, the respect and the support he gave many of our players over a number of years. A wealth of experience and empathy that probably paid for itself many, many times over. He was one of the few solid and reliable pillars during the revolving managerial door policies we have recently experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Well if you don't know him then why the jibes rearding his age (it could only be regarding his ability to do the job). With regards who does the job now, then the individual concerned was already employed at the Club and had to take on the extra duties. Given the sums involved (and Malcolm was willing to take a substantial pay cut before Lowe booted him out) I would have thought it was totally feasible to accomodate both of them. Malcolm was much more than just an old fuddy duddy kitman doing the washing, and the regard he is held in by a range of players (young and old) mean I would happily see him back in the fold. One of the reasons for his return is the camaraderie, the spirit, the respect and the support he gave many of our players over a number of years. A wealth of experience and empathy that probably paid for itself many, many times over. He was one of the few solid and reliable pillars during the revolving managerial door policies we have recently experienced.It is not jibes regarding his age, it is pragmatic IMO.He is part of our history and that is the way it should be, it is ridiculous to want the old kitman back. Anyway Ill leave it there we were going to look forward and not back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 12 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 July, 2009 He is close to retirment age isn't he? He has a job and that is good and Im sure he is a great bloke. I just cant see the reason to call for his return, perhaps now we have a wealthy owner he may want to do so. Id rather Pearson myself if we are going back to old faces. What, Pearson as kit man? Wouldn't that be a waste of his talents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Actually, sentiment can go a long way in football. Like Newcastle and Middlesborough? Don't get me wrong. If Woggy can help the team (in whatever way) then great. I just don't agree with bringing back staff based on sentiment. I would like to see Merrington and Rofe back..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 12 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 July, 2009 One of the reasons for his return is the camaraderie, the spirit, the respect and the support he gave many of our players over a number of years. A wealth of experience and empathy that probably paid for itself many, many times over. He was one of the few solid and reliable pillars during the revolving managerial door policies we have recently experienced. Exactly, and it is these intangible qualities that are often overlooked (or are not even noticed by some) when the "cost cutting scissors" arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 it is ridiculous to want the old kitman back. Why is it ridiculous? He is as active and capable as he was a year ago. He is still held in high regard by a number of players and there must be a simple way of accomodating him in the new set up without putting others noses out of joint. IMHO his experience and can do attitude particularly looking after the various needs of the players (way in excess of just sorting out the kit) would mean that for his relatively small salary we would see a very decent return. What is ridiculous is your blind rejection without any valid reason and without being privy to any relevant knowledge or information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 maybe we should stop telling Markus how to do his job he did not make his billions by being stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Exactly, and it is these intangible qualities that are often overlooked (or are not even noticed by some) when the "cost cutting scissors" arrive. Sadly that's what happens when banks and accountants run the show. This applies to all businesses the world over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 He not only did the kit etc his personality around the players was worth twenty Dutch men...allegedly....His little museum, which I was lucky enough to see, was also well worth a visit for any football loving fan.. I may be wide off the mark, but I always pictured Woggy as a grandfather/uncle type figure at the club. Someone who knows the history of the club, who has seen the good times and the bad and can offer friendly advice to young players. In my old job, there was a security guard who to be fair did not do much other than chat to everyone and offer a friendly ear. Shortly after he fell ill and was replaced the company realised that the company did not actually need a Security Guard, but as a mark of how important this gentleman was to the company the building was renamed in his honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 maybe we should stop telling Markus how to do his job he did not make his billions by being stupid TDD, that really made me laugh, of course you are right, but will you follow the same advice? (of course if everyone did this forum could get quite dull) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StInky Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Sadly that's what happens when banks and accountants run the show. This applies to all businesses the world over. Fortunately ML appears to have little need of the former and has put a lawyer in charge of SFC for the time being. Perhaps his success contradicts your (jaded?) view! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I may be wide off the mark, but I always pictured Woggy as a grandfather/uncle type figure at the club. Someone who knows the history of the club, who has seen the good times and the bad and can offer friendly advice to young players. In my old job, there was a security guard who to be fair did not do much other than chat to everyone and offer a friendly ear. Shortly after he fell ill and was replaced the company realised that the company did not actually need a Security Guard, but as a mark of how important this gentleman was to the company the building was renamed in his honour. As others have said ..Woggy was more than a kit man......Like you have stated and on a similar vain...Woggy was an integral part of the backroom set up....This man was 5/6 peeps rolled into one.....IT WAS NOT a cost cutting exercise by RL........Very bad show.. He was a big loss to the players throughout the club and to many of the staff......:smt007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Frankly I don't give a toss who the kitman is. It's no more important than who sells the pies, mans the gates, is a steward or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I may be wide off the mark, but I always pictured Woggy as a grandfather/uncle type figure at the club. Someone who knows the history of the club, who has seen the good times and the bad and can offer friendly advice to young players. In my old job, there was a security guard who to be fair did not do much other than chat to everyone and offer a friendly ear. Shortly after he fell ill and was replaced the company realised that the company did not actually need a Security Guard, but as a mark of how important this gentleman was to the company the building was renamed in his honour. Woggy St Mary's..........St Woggy Mary's.........Nah!!!!! forget that:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Lets not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 As an aside to the **** taking of this pointless thread was i the only one that thought the squad looked a shower of sh:t when warming up yesterday all in different training tops? Are you not contradicting yourself ? I too am of the opinion Woggy was more than a kitman, however, where do you stop with who's return we should start a campaign about(less Lowe and Wilde, of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Woggy St Mary's..........St Woggy Mary's.........Nah!!!!! forget that:lol: not quite what I meant, but did make me LOL. Perhaps a chant of "Woggy's Red & White Army" then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 http://www.facebook.com/s.php?ref=search&sid=d499c4548fd618a21476a4c23c2b9a79&init=q&q=woggy#/group.php?gid=95000645942 some x players signed up to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 To be honest Nick - what the **** do you know? To be honest Um Pahars - what the **** do you know? Lots of nice sweeping statements here; 'he is too old', 'he'd improve morale', 'he was sacked through spite', 'sacked 'cos he was associated with the previous regime' etc. etc. You don't know. So why bother commenting. In case you forget we went into administration because a £5000 cheque bounced. Wages like Woggy's contributed to that - and he was a hell of a lot cheaper to get rid of than Rasiak. As a number on a spreadsheet, eliminating his wage was beneficial to the club. Different world now for sure, but that doesn't mean Saints won't be run as a business - it's not a charity. If you think it will be, I suggest you re-read some of Liebherr's comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Different world now for sure, but that doesn't mean Saints won't be run as a business - it's not a charity. I haven't for one minute suggested we should be run as a charity, nor that we should be re-appointing ex employees for sentimental reasons, nor that they should be re-employed to spite Lowe and others etc etc etc. My rationale for re-employing Malcolm is solely down to seeing first hand the impact and effect he has around the Club, Staplewood and the high regard he is held in by many players, and then by thinking that could in some way contribute to success on the pitch. Of course that's my perception and it is all subjective and hypothetical, but having seen Malcolm in action first hand and spoken to many at the Club, then I think I am speaking from a reasonable position of strength in this issue. So with regards what the **** do I know?, then in this instance I would say quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I haven't for one minute suggested we should be run as a charity, nor that we should be re-appointing ex employees for sentimental reasons, nor that they should be re-employed to spite Lowe and others etc etc etc. My rationale for re-employing Malcolm is solely down to seeing first hand the impact and effect he has around the Club, Staplewood and the high regard he is held in by many players, and then by thinking that could in some way contribute to success on the pitch. Of course that's my perception and it is all subjective and hypothetical, but having seen Malcolm in action first hand and spoken to many at the Club, then I think I am speaking from a reasonable position of strength in this issue. So with regards what the **** do I know?, then in this instance I would say quite a bit. your right.potty mouths wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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