SoccerMom Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Invitation on here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulfletcher/2009/09/charlton.html#137444 for questions for Paul Fletcher to put to AP and NC. Someone's already asked why the substitutions are so late... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Invitation on here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulfletcher/2009/09/charlton.html#137444 for questions for Paul Fletcher to put to AP and NC. Someone's already asked why the substitutions are so late... Why don't you go to the Solent fans forum and ask them yourself but make it relevant as it seems to me from not much, Pardew and Cortese are building something that is likely to better Charlton's start next season. Ok ask why are Saints fans so unsupportive of their current team considering impatience breeds nervousness and manifests itself in their teams of the recent past as a lack of confidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Ok ask why are Saints fans so unsupportive of their current team considering impatience breeds nervousness and manifests itself in their teams of the recent past as a lack of confidence? Plenty of heart on sleeve loyal support yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Plenty of heart on sleeve loyal support yesterday Yes,Saints fans were great yesterday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Plenty of heart on sleeve loyal support yesterday I dont think 19 Canteen actually has seen Saints play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Why don't you go to the Solent fans forum and ask them yourself but make it relevant as it seems to me from not much, Pardew and Cortese are building something that is likely to better Charlton's start next season. Ok ask why are Saints fans so unsupportive of their current team considering impatience breeds nervousness and manifests itself in their teams of the recent past as a lack of confidence? why do you worry about a few internet "supporters" ? the support yesterday and at home has been good, 19000 at the valley , 2000 saints so 17000 charlton if we were top won 5 on the bounce we would get more than 17000 at home or do you base your snide comments on what you read on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Why don't you go to the Solent fans forum and ask them yourself but make it relevant as it seems to me from not much, Pardew and Cortese are building something that is likely to better Charlton's start next season. Ok ask why are Saints fans so unsupportive of their current team considering impatience breeds nervousness and manifests itself in their teams of the recent past as a lack of confidence? But Mr Unt you are such a big fan that your mere being counter acts the negative supporters. Your feel good black hole sucks in the bad vibes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 13 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Why don't you go to the Solent fans forum and ask them yourself but make it relevant as it seems to me from not much, Pardew and Cortese are building something that is likely to better Charlton's start next season. Ok ask why are Saints fans so unsupportive of their current team considering impatience breeds nervousness and manifests itself in their teams of the recent past as a lack of confidence? > :-k Just thought people would like to know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Ok ask why are Saints fans so unsupportive of their current team considering impatience breeds nervousness and manifests itself in their teams of the recent past as a lack of confidence? A few random moaners on here are hardly representative of the majority of Saints fans. At the final whistle yesterday we gave the players a deserved ovation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 I dont think 19 Canteen actually has seen Saints play. I don't think you have seen, let alone touched a ladies penis but you act like you're a man of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Plenty of heart on sleeve loyal support yesterday That's good to hear but the same old posters have been voicing their unrest about the team and the manager as they were last season. I have just read a post where I am told that if we don't beat Yeovil next week the situation will be desperate!!! Really? Only if the ambition was promotion and Pardew has been clear from the start that mid table medocrity is the target so where is the panic and unrest? Even in our loyal 17,000 home supporters the boo boys ply their self-fulfilling trade but the hard core away fans tend to be more appreciative, loyal and unstinting in their support that mirrors their own commitment to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 That's good to hear but the same old posters have been voicing their unrest about the team and the manager as they were last season. I have just read a post where I am told that if we don't beat Yeovil next week the situation will be desperate!!! Really? Only if the ambition was promotion and Pardew has been clear from the start that mid table medocrity is the target so where is the panic and unrest? Even in our loyal 17,000 home supporters the boo boys ply their self-fulfilling trade but the hard core away fans tend to be more appreciative, loyal and unstinting in their support that mirrors their own commitment to the team. I didn't see too much of that at Swindon tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 That's good to hear but the same old posters have been voicing their unrest about the team and the manager as they were last season. I have just read a post where I am told that if we don't beat Yeovil next week the situation will be desperate!!! Really? Only if the ambition was promotion and Pardew has been clear from the start that mid table medocrity is the target so where is the panic and unrest? Even in our loyal 17,000 home supporters the boo boys ply their self-fulfilling trade but the hard core away fans tend to be more appreciative, loyal and unstinting in their support that mirrors their own commitment to the team. Now now NC, let's not take things out of proportion. I do believe it went like this on my thread about attendance statistics: Sorry mate I may have been a bit harsh, it all just seems a bit desperate though. We're playing crap so we just cling on to some stats that show we would be the sixth worst supported team in the premiership or something. It doesn't make it any easier when I've paid 26 quid to be bored to death. In fact in a funny sort of way it makes it worse. It's alright, I didn't mean to make the thread sound desperate or nothing, our current performances didn't enter my mind when posting the thread, just wanted to share my opinions is all. Our performances are frustrating, 5 draws out of 7, but I'm confident we will beat Yeovil. If we don't, then there is reason to start getting desperate! I was referring to wadesmith calling my thread about league attendances desperate. He said we are playing crap and these threads about insignificant things, like statistics, are desperate because we are on minus 5 and there are more important things to worry about. I'll admit I worded it badly but I am talking about the posting of threads. Referring to desperate threads reflecting thoughts away from the minus 5. And I think you'll find you 'agreed with my analysis' on that thread about support, and supporting the team, so don't link me to boo boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 Now now NC, let's not take things out of proportion. I do believe it went like this on my thread about attendance statistics: I was referring to wadesmith calling my thread about league attendances desperate. He said we are playing crap and these threads about insignificant things, like statistics, are desperate because we are on minus 5 and there are more important things to worry about. I'll admit I worded it badly but I am talking about the posting of threads. Referring to desperate threads reflecting thoughts away from the minus 5. And I think you'll find you 'agreed with my analysis' on that thread about support, and supporting the team, so don't link me to boo boys. I wasn't linking you to booboys but used your comment as a barometer to how easily one result can seemingly change a situation to desperate 8 games into a 46 game season. I apologise if I took it out of context and you are right i did agree with your analysis but not all your opinion and a loss against Yeovil although unwelcome will render the situation no more different than it is now with still over 80% of the season to be played out and the team still coming together. Unlike you though the boo boys may not see it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 I wasn't linking you to booboys but used your comment as a barometer to how easily one result can seemingly change a situation to desperate 8 games into a 46 game season. I apologise if I took it out of context and you are right i did agree with your analysis but not all your opinion and a loss against Yeovil although unwelcome will render the situation no more different than it is now with still over 80% of the season to be played out and the team still coming together. Unlike you though the boo boys may not see it that way. Ok, apology accepted, and I'd like to take this opportunity to make it clear I'm not a boo-boy... I don't know how many times last week I said "We've still got 40 games left!". A loss against Yeovil will be more of an inconvienience than a disaster cos I do believe that we are improving. We bossed Charlton in the first half, if we were to play like that against teams like Yeovil we will have no worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 13 September, 2009 Share Posted 13 September, 2009 I don't think you have seen, let alone touched a ladies penis but you act like you're a man of the world. That is one hell of a post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Regardless of what anyone says, if Southampton Football Club can't beat Yeovil at St.t Mary's in a competetive game, then time are worrying.FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Yeovil vrs Saints a massive six pointer!!!!!!! who would have ever thought that! We must win saturday and as mentioned above, why the late subs????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Ask him why has he got a girls name?:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 why do you worry about a few internet "supporters" ? the support yesterday and at home has been good, 19000 at the valley , 2000 saints so 17000 charlton if we were top won 5 on the bounce we would get more than 17000 at home or do you base your snide comments on what you read on here No, they are all baseless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 I don't think you have seen, let alone touched a ladies penis but you act like you're a man of the world. Maybe you could take your's off your own, just once in a while? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Maybe you could take your's off your own, just once in a while? Are you calling me a lady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Are you calling me a lady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Yeovil vrs Saints a massive six pointer!!!!!!! who would have ever thought that! We must win saturday and as mentioned above, why the late subs????? I thought we made 2 subs at about 65 minutes, that is not late.If we are talking about a 3rd one in injury time, most teams do that when you settle for a point at the league leaders.I just wish HR had done so when we played Boro in the PL instead of having Brett standing waiting and not wasting a bit of time when we were winning to break up the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Ask him why has he got a girls name?:-) Alan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Alan? No, Alana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 I thought we made 2 subs at about 65 minutes, that is not late.If we are talking about a 3rd one in injury time, most teams do that when you settle for a point at the league leaders.I just wish HR had done so when we played Boro in the PL instead of having Brett standing waiting and not wasting a bit of time when we were winning to break up the game. I think the two subs - Jaidi and Mellis were made at 76 minutes, so under 15 minutes to go. If the injury time sub was time wasting to settle for a point, it begs a number of the questions - why be so negative as to make a time wasting substition, why use Waigo as the last minute sub when he had a midfielder on the bench and if he wanted to give Waigo a run, why only give him 2 minutes? A more logical approach would have been two subs at 65 minutes, when Nickh thought they were, and as he was taking off Mills, Holmes would have been the more obvious choice. The last sub could have been Mellis for Lallana, or if he wanted to take a positive approach at the end, Saga or Waigo for Lallana at about the 80th minute. Even if Pardew now thinks he got the substitutions wrong, he probably can't admit it without undermining his position, but it will be interesting to see if he acts differently in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 I think the two subs - Jaidi and Mellis were made at 76 minutes, so under 15 minutes to go. If the injury time sub was time wasting to settle for a point, it begs a number of the questions - why be so negative as to make a time wasting substition, why use Waigo as the last minute sub when he had a midfielder on the bench and if he wanted to give Waigo a run, why only give him 2 minutes? A more logical approach would have been two subs at 65 minutes, when Nickh thought they were, and as he was taking off Mills, Holmes would have been the more obvious choice. The last sub could have been Mellis for Lallana, or if he wanted to take a positive approach at the end, Saga or Waigo for Lallana at about the 80th minute. Even if Pardew now thinks he got the substitutions wrong, he probably can't admit it without undermining his position, but it will be interesting to see if he acts differently in future. Apart from Swindon, AP has been pretty decisive with subs. If I remember, he made a double sub at half-time against Brentford and did something similar against Colchester. Naturally, when you're away from home and are either leading or competitive, you're a bit more wary about tinkering too much. BTW, saturday subs were spot-on. From thinking that Mellis was garbage against Colchester -a view shared by AP (Mellis was subbed at HT), he did a good job against Charlton. The guy offered plenty off the ball in terms of pressing and closing down as well as bursting from midfield. Holmes doesn't have that defensive edge not to mention hasn't played a competitive game this season. Asking him to adapt to the pace of the game under those circumstances would have been tough. Yes I probably would have made the subs earlier, though TBF there were no natural candidates to sub - Perry and Mills only really went off because they were tiring. I can understand giving Waigo two mins, especially if you read AP's comments about introducing Tevez too early. It was a risk-free way of giving him a taste of the game in preparation for a proper run-out. As others have said, we only came strong again at the very very end. Until then, I certainly wasn't thinking about going for the 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 I think the two subs - Jaidi and Mellis were made at 76 minutes, so under 15 minutes to go. If the injury time sub was time wasting to settle for a point, it begs a number of the questions - why be so negative as to make a time wasting substition, why use Waigo as the last minute sub when he had a midfielder on the bench and if he wanted to give Waigo a run, why only give him 2 minutes? A more logical approach would have been two subs at 65 minutes, when Nickh thought they were, and as he was taking off Mills, Holmes would have been the more obvious choice. The last sub could have been Mellis for Lallana, or if he wanted to take a positive approach at the end, Saga or Waigo for Lallana at about the 80th minute. Even if Pardew now thinks he got the substitutions wrong, he probably can't admit it without undermining his position, but it will be interesting to see if he acts differently in future. i only managed to listen to a bit of commentary.Sadly it was just after they had scored and we were really under the coshI tuned the radio off just after he had made the subs and they seemed to calm the situation down.Ifully expected to lose from th litlle I heard and so was pleased we got a point.So it was job done, -5 instead of perhaps -6 , of course we may have won had he changed sooner but i doubt it.i always would settle for a point away at a lcub on a 100% win rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boy done well Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Apart from Swindon, AP has been pretty decisive with subs. If I remember, he made a double sub at half-time against Brentford and did something similar against Colchester. Naturally, when you're away from home and are either leading or competitive, you're a bit more wary about tinkering too much. BTW, saturday subs were spot-on. From thinking that Mellis was garbage against Colchester -a view shared by AP (Mellis was subbed at HT), he did a good job against Charlton. The guy offered plenty off the ball in terms of pressing and closing down as well as bursting from midfield. Holmes doesn't have that defensive edge not to mention hasn't played a competitive game this season. Asking him to adapt to the pace of the game under those circumstances would have been tough. Yes I probably would have made the subs earlier, though TBF there were no natural candidates to sub - Perry and Mills only really went off because they were tiring. I can understand giving Waigo two mins, especially if you read AP's comments about introducing Tevez too early. It was a risk-free way of giving him a taste of the game in preparation for a proper run-out. As others have said, we only came strong again at the very very end. Until then, I certainly wasn't thinking about going for the 3 points. Fully agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 We went to Charlton. They were six wins in a row. We hadn't won a game. We played fecking well and had control of half of the game at least - apart from a wee wobble when they scored totally against the run of play. Mellis came on and won a penalty that wasn't given. Jaidi came on and helped us attack with a touch more class than Perry. Waigo wasted time to ensure we got a fully deserved draw. These are all basic concepts to most people who have watched football for a while. The rest of you might think about getting to a game a bit more often... Jeez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 Apart from Swindon, AP has been pretty decisive with subs. If I remember, he made a double sub at half-time against Brentford and did something similar against Colchester. Naturally, when you're away from home and are either leading or competitive, you're a bit more wary about tinkering too much. BTW, saturday subs were spot-on. From thinking that Mellis was garbage against Colchester -a view shared by AP (Mellis was subbed at HT), he did a good job against Charlton. The guy offered plenty off the ball in terms of pressing and closing down as well as bursting from midfield. Holmes doesn't have that defensive edge not to mention hasn't played a competitive game this season. Asking him to adapt to the pace of the game under those circumstances would have been tough. Yes I probably would have made the subs earlier, though TBF there were no natural candidates to sub - Perry and Mills only really went off because they were tiring. I can understand giving Waigo two mins, especially if you read AP's comments about introducing Tevez too early. It was a risk-free way of giving him a taste of the game in preparation for a proper run-out. As others have said, we only came strong again at the very very end. Until then, I certainly wasn't thinking about going for the 3 points. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 14 September, 2009 Share Posted 14 September, 2009 We went to Charlton. They were six wins in a row. We hadn't won a game. We played fecking well and had control of half of the game at least - apart from a wee wobble when they scored totally against the run of play. Mellis came on and won a penalty that wasn't given. Jaidi came on and helped us attack with a touch more class than Perry. Waigo wasted time to ensure we got a fully deserved draw. These are all basic concepts to most people who have watched football for a while. The rest of you might think about getting to a game a bit more often... Jeez... Cheers for that, COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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