StuRomseySaint Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Seeing as there was a thread on the SISA lads... and seeing as Mr Illingsworth has been in the media and press countless times this season, I find it amazing that he hasn't found the time to tell their membership base what is happening. Surely with 800 members, they have posted out a response to what has happened with their shares and where they intend to go from here? Naturally I fully expect to be pwned and infact the Saints Trust have held their AGM ( which is overdue ) and have also told their membership what has happened now the organisation in the form of a Trust, ceases to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Look on their website, they still talk about the shares on there. I doubt it has even been touched for months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 (edited) Waste of space, there's no point in a Trust now. Edited 23 September, 2009 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 I still turn up faithfully at the trust bar every match. I drink cans outside on my own if I'm honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 How does a 'supporters group' get recognised by the club and media as "official"? What is the criteria? Surely the fact that the club is now privately owned now means all supporters gropus start with a clean slate and as such have to regain official status as much as you or I would if we decided to start up a supporters group tomorrow? Is it arrogance or ignorance that makes historic supporters groups automatically assume they can carry on where they left off? Genuine question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Didnt we use to have an official supporters club in the 70's maybe this is the route we should look at again. You are never going to please everyone. Many clubs have successful official supporters clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 I think it's worth having a supporters group but think it's important that Illingsworth and any of the SISA lot have absolutely nothing to do with it. It needs someone without the political baggage. The Trust lost all credibility when they stood by and did and said nothing while Lowe almost killed the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 These supporters groups are run by the same middle age people that I remember from my youth and I'm 26 now! It's time for a new set of fans to step forward and run these supporters group! Time for Steve Grant or of similar ilk to step up to the plate and time for Ford, Illingsworth, McMillen, Chorley, Mike O'Callaghan etc to step aside as they have gained nothing for this club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Steve Grant was involved with the Saints Trust from the start - along with a number of other regular posters on this site The Saints Trust is what Saints fans wanted it to be - nothing. Everybody knows what should be done or what they should say and do - but no one actually wants to get involved or do something - they'd rather just moan on here and slag of the people that do something! StuRomseySaints being one of the biggest anti-everything and anything on here! by the way the Saints Trust bar is upstairs at the King Alfreds nowadays I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Steve Grant was involved with the Saints Trust from the start - along with a number of other regular posters on this site The Saints Trust is what Saints fans wanted it to be - nothing. Everybody knows what should be done or what they should say and do - but no one actually wants to get involved or do something - they'd rather just moan on here and slag of the people that do something! StuRomseySaints being one of the biggest anti-everything and anything on here! by the way the Saints Trust bar is upstairs at the King Alfreds nowadays I believe I drink in King Alfred on match days but didn't realise they were upstairs? As for Steve Grant I think he distanced himself from the trust a long time ago I thought??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Steve Grant was involved with the Saints Trust from the start - along with a number of other regular posters on this site The Saints Trust is what Saints fans wanted it to be - nothing. Everybody knows what should be done or what they should say and do - but no one actually wants to get involved or do something - they'd rather just moan on here and slag of the people that do something! StuRomseySaints being one of the biggest anti-everything and anything on here! by the way the Saints Trust bar is upstairs at the King Alfreds nowadays I believe In a word apathy and I agree with you 100%. The way forward is to approach the club to have a voluntary supporters group based at the club but independent of the club's management. They could act as a conduit between the fans and the club and take issues from both to be discussed and resolved /put forward for resolution in a quarterly meeting (or time to be determined). A lot of companies nowadays have customer focus groups so why not a fan's focus group and it would take away the nitty gritty from the club's management so they can concentrate on the big picture whilst also fulfilling some fans remit to have an independent voice. So for example the price of beer and disabled transport to away matches could be discussed and in turn the club could request feedback on potential changes / ideas before taking a decision to go ahead. The meeting would be minuted with the club providing the room and materials but that would be the extent of their involvement as to maintain the group's integrity both sides would need to be independent although if necessary to ensure the structure was the right perhaps a club employee could facilitate a few meetings to start with before leyting go of the leash so to speak. The problem I have is that I never knew how any of these fan associations were acting on our behalf and what they were discussing and how progress was being made. Having the focus group the meetings could be advertised on the OS and issues for discussion put forward and subsequently the minutes of the meeting published on the OS with actions etc so that fans at least knew their issues were being raised and hopefully an explanation as to why action was or was taken. Probably to utopian but better than what we have. We need a supporter association to work with the club and I haven't seen any evidence of that in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Steve Grant was involved with the Saints Trust from the start - along with a number of other regular posters on this site The Saints Trust is what Saints fans wanted it to be - nothing. Everybody knows what should be done or what they should say and do - but no one actually wants to get involved or do something - they'd rather just moan on here and slag of the people that do something! StuRomseySaints being one of the biggest anti-everything and anything on here! by the way the Saints Trust bar is upstairs at the King Alfreds nowadays I believe Yes they serve all the beers with their BOOBS OUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 Seeing as there was a thread on the SISA lads... and seeing as Mr Illingsworth has been in the media and press countless times this season, I find it amazing that he hasn't found the time to tell their membership base what is happening. Surely with 800 members, they have posted out a response to what has happened with their shares and where they intend to go from here? Naturally I fully expect to be pwned and infact the Saints Trust have held their AGM ( which is overdue ) and have also told their membership what has happened now the organisation in the form of a Trust, ceases to exist. Treat em as most supporters groups, a waste of time! They're just people who mean well, all be it a bit hopeless & desperate for any form of spotlight associated with a football club. Not meaning to sound harsh but when they purport to be the voice of the fans (without much fan confering other than in their minds), Then you hear them speak during the Pinnacle fiasco or, recently, at the fans forum...well, it's just embarrassing & certainly doesn't voice the opinions of the fans!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 I don't see the need for supporters clubs. London Saints and the like yes, as they give a focus and a place to meet for ex-pat fans but what is the point of a Southampton based club, they are normally full of self serving clicks who claim to speak for everyone. I suppose everyone can support the Saints anyway they want and if that includes forming a committee, showing their left nipple and chosing a chairman then so be it. I'd rather meet a few mates and have a pint before the match, each to there own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 self serving clicks Is clicks a swear-filter avoiding way of writing d-icks, or do you in fact mean cliques? I'd be grateful if you could reply asap - I'm going to bed soon and this will keep me up worrying. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 September, 2009 Share Posted 23 September, 2009 There's no place at SFC for supporters clubs like SISA or The Saints Trust because all they achieve is to disunite. Fine have groups that organise travel to away games or for social activities. Now that Mr Liebherr is at the club there's no need for direct action etc which makes the likes of R Chorley and P MacMillan seem like shop stewards from a 1970's sitcom. The Solent fans forum was a great sucess and it's events such as this that should be replicated. We don't need wannabe dictators shouting on our behalf because history has taught us that they only speak for themselves. Prior to the Supporterss Direct bull**** we had many local supporters clubs that "did what it says on the tin" and were social groups for travel etc. We need to get back to those days because frankly they worked and so did not need fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 24 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 September, 2009 Steve Grant was involved with the Saints Trust from the start - along with a number of other regular posters on this site The Saints Trust is what Saints fans wanted it to be - nothing. Everybody knows what should be done or what they should say and do - but no one actually wants to get involved or do something - they'd rather just moan on here and slag of the people that do something! StuRomseySaints being one of the biggest anti-everything and anything on here! by the way the Saints Trust bar is upstairs at the King Alfreds nowadays I believe With respect, that is the most boring response ever. Why should people get involved in something that they don't agree with? The Trust is nothing because it is run by people who just want to use it as a vehicle to get themselves in the boardroom and in the press and media... nothing more, nothing less. I am not anti-everything, I am anti people setting up organisations to con other fans, to satisfy their own egos. Why have the Saints Trust not contacted their 'members' ONCE in the last year? They are corupt, scammers, scum of the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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