Tomobz Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 This time last year we were organising protests against the chairman and the board and our club was literally in dire straights. We as saints fans have got it so good now, our club is definately on the way up (anyone can see that) and we have a chairman who really cares about the fans and the club. I am very proud to be a saint at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 I am proud of the chairman - tough but fair. Give you employees all the tools they need, if they then cant do the job find someone that can. Respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 8 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 8 February, 2010 I am proud of the chairman - tough but fair. Give you employees all the tools they need, if they then cant do the job find someone that can. Respect fair point, i think a few people might share that view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 It's actually only 7 or 8 months, since the turnaround. Had a conversation with a GITR colleague this morning, where I displayed my first real disappointment in Saints [Exeter result] since the takeover. He, quite rightly, hauled me over the coals slightly, because it really has only been a short time since this club we've all been following, was nearly no more. Certainly not in the way we would like to support it. And yet just a few months later, and we are so much better off, it's almost a dream. But I notice the word is finally getting out into the general football media and supporters arena. We're on our way back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 This time last year we were organising protests against the chairman and the board and our club was literally in dire straights. We as saints fans have got it so good now, our club is definately on the way up (anyone can see that) and we have a chairman who really cares about the fans and the club. I am very proud to be a saint at the moment! Now a sizeable minority are moaning because it looks like we won't make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 8 months gone and we still know hardly anything about our owner. Hats off to Mr Liebherr for how he conducts himself and his business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 I am proud of the chairman - tough but fair. Give you employees all the tools they need, if they then cant do the job find someone that can. Respect Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Now a sizeable minority are moaning because it looks like we won't make the playoffs. i know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Now a sizeable minority are moaning because it looks like we won't make the playoffs. NO- a sizeable minority are "moaning" because we've got the sort of funding that Saints managers for half a century could only dream of, and the team is still serving up sh*te performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 NO- a sizeable minority are "moaning" because we've got the sort of funding that Saints managers for half a century could only dream of, and the team is still serving up sh*te performances. How many games exactly have you seen this year Alpine? Still it wouldn't be you if you weren't slagging off a manager would it? By the way, who employed Pardew in the first place? Do you remember the stick you gave to a previous CEO for employing who you thought were rubbish managers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 How many games exactly have you seen this year Alpine? how many has cortese seen compared to you..yet he wants better results.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 I am proud of the chairman - tough but fair. Give you employees all the tools they need, if they then cant do the job find someone that can. Respect Let me see, so unless our manager wins all of his games he is not up to the job and therefore we should sack him? Tell me again how many managers we have had who have averaged 3 points a game? Tell me how many managers in the football league have ever done that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 This time last year we were organising protests against the chairman and the board and our club was literally in dire straights. We as saints fans have got it so good now, our club is definately on the way up (anyone can see that) and we have a chairman who really cares about the fans and the club. I am very proud to be a saint at the moment! careful not allowed to have positive posts praising saints, according to some its doom, gloom and razorblades! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 how many has cortese seen compared to you..yet he wants better results.. better results...not APs head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 how many has cortese seen compared to you..yet he wants better results.. Don't be such a plonker, we all want better results. Thing is, some of us are grown up and don't throw our toys out of the pram if we don't get them (as most teams don't). Time to live in the real world DD, as I keep telling you, you can't just buy success. I think most reasonable people on here would see that Pardew is doing okay and certainly should not be having his job questioned every time we draw a football match. Sadly though Nicola seems to think that is ok too...I don't think it is good behaviour or good management to add extra pressure onto the manager. Pardew is no fool and knows what is required, unless the 5 year plan really has become a 3 year plan (in which case why not spend more money up front to make that viable?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Don't be such a plonker, we all want better results. Thing is, some of us are grown up and don't throw our toys out of the pram if we don't get them (as most teams don't). Time to live in the real world DD, as I keep telling you, you can't just buy success. I think most reasonable people on here would see that Pardew is doing okay and certainly should not be having his job questioned every time we draw a football match. Sadly though Nicola seems to think that is ok too...I don't think it is good behaviour or good management to add extra pressure onto the manager. Pardew is no fool and knows what is required, unless the 5 year plan really has become a 3 year plan (in which case why not spend more money up front to make that viable?). more money...we have spent more than the rest of our division combined...how much is more..? signed other teams best players and captains...signed a star player from a team that WAS in the CCC playoffs.. jesus christ you live in cloud cuckoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 more money...we have spent more than the rest of our division combined...how much is more..? signed other teams best players and captains...signed a star player from a team that WAS in the CCC playoffs.. jesus christ you live in cloud cuckoo no, those that want AP gone now live beyond cloud cuckoo ( i know you are not one of them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 I could understand the venom coming from AP lovers if he had the team firing. Win or lose us fans have only ever wanted to see us play football. I have only been to two miserable away performances but have 2 ST's and know that what I am watching is not football. Not in the sense that I want to see anyway. In October/November we went on a great run. This gave us hope for the playoffs. Since then we have fallen by the wayside as our performances worsen. Too many changes and now we are waiting anxiously for the Dons. What will it take for some to see that all is not well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 more money...we have spent more than the rest of our division combined...how much is more..? signed other teams best players and captains...signed a star player from a team that WAS in the CCC playoffs.. jesus christ you live in cloud cuckoo Indeed, so why waste oxygen trying to rationalise with him ? He's having a pop at me about my attendance tonight - I bet I've been more often than him this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 NO- a sizeable minority are "moaning" because we've got the sort of funding that Saints managers for half a century could only dream of, and the team is still serving up sh*te performances. Monday: "here is a wad of cash. Go buy whatever bricks you want and build me a house" Wednesday: "f----n hell - is that bl00dy house not built yet!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Indeed, so why waste oxygen trying to rationalise with him ? He's having a pop at me about my attendance tonight - I bet I've been more often than him this season. ive asked that of myself with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Monday: "here is a wad of cash. Go buy whatever bricks you want and build me a house" Wednesday: "f----n hell - is that bl00dy house not built yet!" A curious analogy. If the wad of cash is big enough, that house would at least have its foundations and be up to the damp course, maybe a bit further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 A curious analogy. If the wad of cash is big enough, that house would at least have its foundations and be up to the damp course, maybe a bit further. But it wouldn't be finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 But it wouldn't be finished. No, and we arent showing any improvement. Want to drag this out further ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 NO- a sizeable minority are "moaning" because we've got the sort of funding that Saints managers for half a century could only dream of, and the team is still serving up sh*te performances. performances? I thought it was the results and the resulting league position you were moaning about.:smt119 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Indeed, so why waste oxygen trying to rationalise with him ? He's having a pop at me about my attendance tonight - I bet I've been more often than him this season. The difference being I don't pretend I know what the in depth problems are with the team, I just support them and the manager. You however seem to know in every last detail just how poor the team are and how crap the manager is and you have seen all of, what, one live game??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 performances? I thought it was the results and the resulting league position you were moaning about.:smt119 In principle, I am not expecting promotion/playoffs this season. BUT I expect the team and manager to demonstrate they will be capable of it NEXT season. So far I see no evidence of this. A multi-million pound team stiched up by pitches and ball-boys, FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 A curious analogy. If the wad of cash is big enough, that house would at least have its foundations and be up to the damp course, maybe a bit further. I think what St Tel49 is saying is that Saints are not the finished article. Which is undoubtedly true, and it does take time to get it right. We've come from a long way back, and are trying to succeed in 3 competitions. But it is frustrating that improvements have been 2 steps forward and 1 step back, and occasionally the whole 2 steps. It is also frustrating that the new players that had to be brought in during January, are invariably cup tied, and so cannot gain team experience during those less important [than league] matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Don't be such a plonker, we all want better results. Thing is, some of us are grown up and don't throw our toys out of the pram if we don't get them (as most teams don't). Time to live in the real world DD, as I keep telling you, you can't just buy success. I think most reasonable people on here would see that Pardew is doing okay and certainly should not be having his job questioned every time we draw a football match. Sadly though Nicola seems to think that is ok too...I don't think it is good behaviour or good management to add extra pressure onto the manager. Pardew is no fool and knows what is required, unless the 5 year plan really has become a 3 year plan (in which case why not spend more money up front to make that viable?). You can't buy success you say. Well this much I believe because we have spent more than anybody in this league and are going backwards. In what way is Pardew doing ok? Filling the club with players of the same/similar/lesser standard to what we already had? With one or two exceptions. Two months ago I would have agreed with you but not now. He has brought in players to replace Jaidi,Thomas and Perry. Fonte is good but are you seriously telling me that Otsemobor and Seaborne are better than Jaidi and Thomas? Barnard is by my reckoning a Lambert clone. When the window opened we were led to believe our midfield would be sorted. AP has not produced but hey that is not his fault either is it. So what options do we have? Do we let him buy more mediocre players in the close season? Will we smile benignly when the 100th player in his reign is picked to play for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 more money...we have spent more than the rest of our division combined...how much is more..? signed other teams best players and captains...signed a star player from a team that WAS in the CCC playoffs.. jesus christ you live in cloud cuckoo Really, so how much does it cost to guarantee promtion to the CCC then? Would you say we have a team/sqaud as good as Leeds or Norwich then? Leeds have been building for years and Norwich managed to keep some decent players. Pardew has had to start afresh but according to you and Alpine he is rubbish because he hasn't managed in just over half a season to get where Leeds and Norwich are...which one of us lives in cloud cuckooo land again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 You can't buy success you say. Well this much I believe because we have spent more than anybody in this league and are going backwards. In what way is Pardew doing ok? Filling the club with players of the same/similar/lesser standard to what we already had? With one or two exceptions. Two months ago I would have agreed with you but not now. He has brought in players to replace Jaidi,Thomas and Perry. Fonte is good but are you seriously telling me that Otsemobor and Seaborne are better than Jaidi and Thomas? Barnard is by my reckoning a Lambert clone. When the window opened we were led to believe our midfield would be sorted. AP has not produced but hey that is not his fault either is it. So what options do we have? Do we let him buy more mediocre players in the close season? Will we smile benignly when the 100th player in his reign is picked to play for us? How many games have the new players played in exactly? How do you know they are mediocre until they have had a chance to bed in? Or do you have Alpine's crystal ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 look soggy..at the end of the day..NC does not share your line of thought..he wants success and wants it now...AND will put alot of money up to achieve it I like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 The difference being I don't pretend I know what the in depth problems are with the team, I just support them and the manager. You however seem to know in every last detail just how poor the team are and how crap the manager is and you have seen all of, what, one live game??? Superb. So you admit you sit in your sofa, never go to games, and support whatever happens and dont criticise because a) You feel you have no right to and b) because you cant follow what the issues are. What sort of SFC fan are you ? I note you are not shy in criticising Crouch / Wilde / Cortese, but Beetroot-Faced-Bastard is above reproach... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 As I've just said on the league results thread... What people don't realise is that we've had just one game since the transfer window shut and that's just one game with our 'new' team in place. Add that to continued injuries (Hammond for instance) and it's clear that we haven't had time to gel. We have two cup games now where various players will be unavailable due to cup ties and that will further prevent us from settling on a first eleven which includes our new players. It won't be till the end of Feb and the point at which we will have played Norwich, Wycombe and Walsall in the league that we should have a good idea of how the new recruits have settled. Less than two wins there and then we'll have reason to start moaning. Until then we have to be patient and sensible in our reactions to results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 No, and we arent showing any improvement. Want to drag this out further ? Happy to but is there any point? I've always seen this year as no more than consolidation for next year. Even if we had won our last two league games we would still be so far adrift of the playoffs that they really are only mathematically a possibility. If we were not comfortably in the automatic promotion places in the first couple of months next year then I might join your campaign - but not until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 You can't buy success you say. Well this much I believe because we have spent more than anybody in this league and are going backwards. In what way is Pardew doing ok? Filling the club with players of the same/similar/lesser standard to what we already had? With one or two exceptions. Two months ago I would have agreed with you but not now. He has brought in players to replace Jaidi,Thomas and Perry. Fonte is good but are you seriously telling me that Otsemobor and Seaborne are better than Jaidi and Thomas? Barnard is by my reckoning a Lambert clone. When the window opened we were led to believe our midfield would be sorted. AP has not produced but hey that is not his fault either is it. So what options do we have? Do we let him buy more mediocre players in the close season? Will we smile benignly when the 100th player in his reign is picked to play for us? Actually, that's not a bad paragraph. Jaidi has an eye injury, I believe, and Thomas and Perry can't keep up with the amount of games, at their respective ages, and remain competitive, hence the reinforcements, who need match experience within the team. Barnard is indeed a Lambert clone, at least I hope so, as he will need to play INSTEAD of Ricky occasionally, and not alongside him. It would actually be simpler if MK Dons went to Wembley, and Pompey beat us next weekend, so we could concentrate on the league. But do you actually want that..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Happy to but is there any point? I've always seen this year as no more than consolidation for next year. Even if we had won our last two league games we would still be so far adrift of the playoffs that they really are only mathematically a possibility. If we were not comfortably in the automatic promotion places in the first couple of months next year then I might join your campaign - but not until then. I'd like to know what campaign you think I am fronting - the only thing I am campaigning for is seeing SFC back in the CCC next season or the season after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 pardew made his bed when he targetted the play offs......and so far is failing miserably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 I hope we don't spend s**t loads more money to be fair, as it would give the "we have spent money, we should be winning every game" crew more ammunition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 I hope we don't spend s**t loads more money to be fair, as it would give the "we have spent money, we should be winning every game" crew more ammunition. What a bizarre attitude. We havent had a pot to p*ss in for years, now we have an owner who has put in plenty but his representative has made it clear they feel the return hasnt been there and something needs to be done about it. What's so wrong about that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 I am proud of the chairman - tough but fair. Give you employees all the tools they need, if they then cant do the job find someone that can. Respect Does this apply to the players as well the Manager. If we're as crap as people are saying then the players need to go to they've been here several months and aren't performing upto scratch. Turf them out and buy up the whole of the Norwhich team (prehaps with the leeds players as the reserve team) we can afford it, it's tough but it's fair.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 9 February, 2010 Share Posted 9 February, 2010 I'd like to know what campaign you think I am fronting - the only thing I am campaigning for is seeing SFC back in the CCC next season or the season after. Well - at least we are agreed on that :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 February, 2010 Share Posted 9 February, 2010 I'd like to know what campaign you think I am fronting - the only thing I am campaigning for is seeing SFC back in the CCC next season or the season after. so, if season after is ok for you, why are you moaning about AP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 9 February, 2010 Share Posted 9 February, 2010 This time last year we were organising protests against the chairman and the board and our club was literally in dire straights. We as saints fans have got it so good now, our club is definately on the way up (anyone can see that) and we have a chairman who really cares about the fans and the club. I am very proud to be a saint at the moment! Spot on Me for one is sitting back, enjoying the ride loving being a Saints supporter, the alternative was unthinkable, so here we are with a manager that has brought in decent players for the league we are in, talks sense when he opens his mouth, hes very thoughtful of what hes saying and is respectful of the team, club and fans. We have a chairman that is backing not only his manager but the club and fans. The tea serving at the ticket office may not be a massive gesture but it showed he appreciated the fans, if he hadn't have done it no one would have criticized him for not doing it!! At the start of the season all we wanted was to have a club, then it was not to be relegated now its to make the play-offs, our success is changing our goals all the time. Some will never be happy here and find fault with everything thats life. But Im enjoying what we are doing this season tonight is a massive game for us bring it on!! I'm a Saints supporter and wouldn't swap with anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 9 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2010 As I've just said on the league results thread... good post. as with all humans though i gues some fans forget just hopw lucky we are at the moment to be where we are and have got greedy. it takes time guys!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 9 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2010 Spot on I'm a Saints supporter and wouldn't swap with anyone same here!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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