GenevaSaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Just heard on Radio4 that Alan Johnson is NOT standing and is supporting David Milliband. Happy Days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Just heard on Radio4 that Alan Johnson is NOT standing and is supporting David Milliband. Happy Days. A pity as I like Johnson. I envisage it coming down to a straight fight between Ed Balls and David Milliband but perhaps Ed Milliband could be a compromise as he seems to be from neither the Blair or Brown camps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 A pity as I like Johnson. I envisage it coming down to a straight fight between Ed Balls and David Milliband but perhaps Ed Milliband could be a compromise as he seems to be from neither the Blair or Brown camps? Yes I do like Johnson, but I think Milliband is the better long term option as we may in opposition for a while.... Ed Balls, please god no. I'm sure the left leaning will be hoping for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Arthur Scargill please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 (edited) I despise both Balls and Milliband. I hope Balls gets the job the most though because he'd be the biggest mistake they could make. Shame about Alan Johnson from Labours point of view because I think he'd have public appeal and I do respect him as a politician. Age is probably not on his side though because you're electing a leader for possibly 5 years down the road and then another 5 years should they win in 2015. Edited 12 May, 2010 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 They reckon it will take them at least three months to sort it out. Shame about Alan Johnson - I quite liked him - gave straight answers to questions. Perhaps DC should call a snap election now - Labour would be all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Perhaps DC should call a snap election now - Labour would be all over the place. It would be interesting to see how the fixed term thing really works and is worded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I despise both Balls and Milliband. I hope Balls gets the job the most though because he'd be the biggest mistake they could make. Shame about Alan Johnson from Labours point of view because I think he'd have public appeal and I do respect him as a politician. Age is probably not on his side though because you're electing a leader for possibly 5 years down the road and then another 5 years should they win in 2015. Milliband is very astute, a very clever politician and has the PR skills, be afraid Dune. ;-) Balls, would be a balls up (pardon the pun!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Milliband is very astute, a very clever politician and has the PR skills, be afraid Dune. ;-) Balls, would be a balls up (pardon the pun!). Both the Millibands may be smart, but they're both very smug and smarmy (though not as bad as Balls). I don't see either as a threat - Alan Johnson would have been a threat though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Lord Sutch would be a prime candidate for Labour Leader......If he wasn't in heaven. A much better politician than most we have nowadays......His exps were always reasonable as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Anyway we've got five glorious years of Dave Cam to come so I won't be worrying about Labour a for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Anyway we've got five glorious years of Dave Cam to come so I won't be worrying about Labour a for quite some time. 4 years if the Liberals have their way... If Alan Johnson was a few years younger I feel he may have stood, but with him out of the picture you can't really look beyond David Milliband. It's shame though that Cruddas is one of the few real hard left Labour MPs left, he may be popular with the public but he won't ever get the chance to be leader of the Labour party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 4 years if the Liberals have their way... If Alan Johnson was a few years younger I feel he may have stood, but with him out of the picture you can't really look beyond David Milliband. It's shame though that Cruddas is one of the few real hard left Labour MPs left, he may be popular with the public but he won't ever get the chance to be leader of the Labour party. With a surname like Cruddas he'd never get elected anyway. Harsh and unfair, but it's true. There has been much debate into this sort of thing in the states and politicians with weird names aren't chose for this reason. Imagine if Lembit Opik wasn't a weido and if he hadn't lost his seat - he'd never be a leadership contender because of his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 With a surname like Cruddas he'd never get elected anyway. Harsh and unfair, but it's true. There has been much debate into this sort of thing in the states and politicians with weird names aren't chose for this reason. Imagine if Lembit Opik wasn't a weido and if he hadn't lost his seat - he'd never be a leadership contender because of his name. Haha, perhaps your right: Prime Minister Cruddas or Prime Minister Opik don't really sound like statesmen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 This coalition is the best scenario for Labour (even if it doesn't feel that way now) Labour & Brown had become tired and very unpopular. Had they tried to hang on to power, the electorate would have seriously punished them next time round. Now Labour can rebuild, gain strength during 5 years of opposition, and if the coalition is a disaster they will have a good chance of getting straight back in I think the Millibands have a real slimy look about them. Ed Balls appears to be a bit confrontational. This is Labour's problem, they don't appear to have a potential Prime Minister waiting in the wings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Don't rule out a certain Tony Blair deciding to have another bash at renewing Labour. He's still younger than the age 90% of former PM's took on the job. Any farting about amoung the new generation would only strengthen his belief he could do it all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I would imagine that it will be a straight fight between Balls and Milliband and I'd expect DM to win that contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Don't rule out a certain Tony Blair deciding to have another bash at renewing Labour. He's still younger than the age 90% of former PM's took on the job. Any farting about amoung the new generation would only strengthen his belief he could do it all over again. Nah, although he'd win them the next election IMO it's not going to happen. He'd have won the last election if the dopey Labour Party and the scheming Brown hadn't shot themselves in the foot. All these whinges about Iraq by those on the far left (and the those on the far right in islamic circles) is simply a case of those with the biggest gobs shouting the loudest. In the real Britain Blair was liked and very electable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I would imagine that it will be a straight fight between Balls and Milliband and I'd expect DM to win that contest. Imagine they would be the front runners - but often they are not the winners. Any dark horse candidates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 It'd be worth joining the Labour Party just to vote for Ed Balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Can't see it being anyone other than David Miliband, with maybe John Cruddas as Deputy Leader of the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Both the Millibands may be smart, but they're both very smug and smarmy (though not as bad as Balls). I don't see either as a threat - Alan Johnson would have been a threat though. Agree about the Millibands, I'm surprised they are not Tories TBH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Agree about the Millibands, I'm surprised they are not Tories TBH! The same goes for Clegg, but I guess now is he is an honourary Conservative. Divide and Conquer, Divide and rule. Everything changes and everything stays the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I'll let you know who the candidates are as soon as I get my ballot paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I'll let you know who the candidates are as soon as I get my ballot paper Please vote for Balls or David Milliband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Milliband would be very electable. Has the "look" that seems to be a requirement now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Imagine they would be the front runners - but often they are not the winners. Any dark horse candidates? Ed Milliband? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Anyway we've got five glorious years of Dave Cam to come so I won't be worrying about Labour a for quite some time. The editor of the Spectator magazine, Fraser Nelson, tweets: Bookies say still 50-50 chance of second election this year. Cameron should hope for five years, prepare for five months Should give ordinary Dave Milliband enough time to bring back some disillusioned LD voters back to the centre left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I think that Labour have come out of this OK. They have by no means been wiped out and, many Labour supporters that I know are glad that they don't have to take the extreme measures needed to tackle the deficit. The Governor of the Bank of England has suggested that the cuts will be so extreme that the party in power could become "unelectable for a generation". Although the average voter may say that they understand the need for cuts and increased taxes, when it hits them in the pocket, they'll blame the Government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I'll let you know who the candidates are as soon as I get my ballot paper You mean you're actually going to get a chance to vote for your leader this time.....? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 You mean you're actually going to get a chance to vote for your leader this time.....? ;-) As I did last time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 David Miliband is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 It has been mooted that Andy Burnham might stand. Gets my vote - it's the good looks that'll swing it for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 David Miliband is the man. Possibly as he did not challenge Brown in 2007 maybe held against him But Probably him or his brother Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Miliband is a clone of Blair, another Tory with a red tie. Burnham wouldn't stand a chance with the electorate. Cruddas is the best MP Labour have (since Mo). He stands a good chance. Balls is a Brown-loving porky **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Miliband is a clone of Blair, another Tory with a red tie. Burnham wouldn't stand a chance with the electorate. Cruddas is the best MP Labour have (since Mo). He stands a good chance. Balls is a Brown-loving porky **** I would vote for Cruddas. My Burnham comment was just a poke at all those who think looks are more important than values Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Miliband is a clone of Blair, another Tory with a red tie. Burnham wouldn't stand a chance with the electorate. Cruddas is the best MP Labour have (since Mo). He stands a good chance. Balls is a Brown-loving porky **** Balls only kept his seat oop north by a handful of votes, didn't he? Or was that his missus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Balls only kept his seat oop north by a handful of votes, didn't he? Or was that his missus? Yes you are right - Dont think he will stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South City Si Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I would vote for Cruddas. My Burnham comment was just a poke at all those who think looks are more important than values Prob with Cruddas as leader it would give him the idea that he would get away with writing a very left wing manifesto that would become another "longest suicide note.." situation. It will be D Milliband, his little piece today seemed good, sensible but not dour, informative while not patronising. He also talked of being a beacon for the centre and centre left now the libs joined the cons which was a good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamLeGod Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 I've said before on here Blair changed the face of politics. I also siad before that Cameron = Blair Mk II Interesting to see Blair Mk III (as i suggested he would - though it was rather obvious) has declared his candidacy for leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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