Whatever happened to stability?

[sadoldgit]

After the awful roller coster ride of finding a new owner and thinking that finally the club would be settled and well run, within a fewdays the new owner dies and his side-kick sacks th manager.

 

I think it has been obvious for a while that Cortese does not rate Pardew, but as a banker with 1 year's experience in running a football club, perhaps he should have given Pardew the 18 months he requested?

 

The club is going in the right direction and I would have been very surprised if we were not in the top 3 or 4 come Christmas, so why this now?

 

This club achieved the little it has achieved over the years during periods of stability. It looks like those days are well and truly behind us and that we can look forward to more chopping and changing in the future.

[gaz]

Something must have happened over the weekend.

 

I'm thinking because of the recent backroom changes, AP wasn't happy and met with NC to air his displeasure and says something along the lines of ''I'm not going to stand for this, any more and I'll walk'' and NC calls his bluff.

 

At least its not a Lowe-era ''Mutual consent'' deal.

[Robsk II]

Maybe they were gay lovers who fell out.

[Foxstone]

Simple - The CEO whose aims and objectives are very well known, does not beleive that he has the right man in place to deliver them.

 

He has acted to bring in somebody else who he beleives can deliver.

 

No point in stability if it does not yield the right end result.

[Deppo]

I heard that Pardew slipped some salami to Nicola's missus.

[Whitey Grandad]

Simple - The CEO whose aims and objectives are very well known, does not beleive that he has the right man in place to deliver them.

 

He has acted to bring in somebody else who he beleives can deliver.

 

No point in stability if it does not yield the right end result.

Then why choose him to start with? If Cortese thinks that Pardew is the wrong man after less than one season, then how can anybody have confidence in his next choice?

[alpine_saint]

Simple - The CEO whose aims and objectives are very well known, does not beleive that he has the right man in place to deliver them.

 

He has acted to bring in somebody else who he beleives can deliver.

 

No point in stability if it does not yield the right end result.

 

Nutshell

[alpine_saint]

Then why choose him to start with? If Cortese thinks that Pardew is the wrong man after less than one season, then how can anybody have confidence in his next choice?

 

What, like Pardew picked Papa ?

[dune]

Yet another new thread.

[sadoldgit]

Simple - The CEO whose aims and objectives are very well known, does not beleive that he has the right man in place to deliver them.

 

He has acted to bring in somebody else who he beleives can deliver.

 

No point in stability if it does not yield the right end result.

 

How do we know it would not bring the right end result? The bookies seem to think we will get promoted yet after 3 league games the CEO thinks differently?

 

All those years in banking and he has a football crystal ball?

[The Kraken]

Cortese has never been onside with Pardew so this was bound to happen at some point. The timing is appalling but at least we have plenty of time left in the season for the new man to get his feet under the table. Cortese appointed Pardew on a recommendation in an effort to appoint a manager very quickly, so perhaps never considered him as "his" appointment. Now he has everything in place at the club with regards to the structure, AP clearly didn't fit in with the way Cortese wanted the whole club to be run.

 

I simply can't believe that we don't have someone already lined up to step in; perhaps it won't be announced for a few days but I'd absolutely expect the new management and coaching team to be in place by the weekend.

[Foxstone]

How do we know it would not bring the right end result? The bookies seem to think we will get promoted yet after 3 league games the CEO thinks differently?

 

All those years in banking and he has a football crystal ball?

 

And you think a business strategy should be built around the views of the bookies????!!!!

 

Thank god Cortese does not think the same.

[Running Man]

How do we know it would not bring the right end result? The bookies seem to think we will get promoted yet after 3 league games the CEO thinks differently?

 

All those years in banking and he has a football crystal ball?

 

He is currently being paid to run Southampton Football Club NOT a bank FFS. (A job which Markus felt him eminently suitable for).

 

Is your advice that he makes no decisions without consulting the bookies first?

 

Let's see what he does next before we get the nails and wooden cross out shall we?

[dune]

Let's see what he does next before we get the nails and wooden cross out shall we?

 

I agree with this.

[sadoldgit]

And you think a business strategy should be built around the views of the bookies????!!!!

 

Thank god Cortese does not think the same.

 

Of course not, you know what I mean. Tell me, if the new guy does not perform better than Pardew by Christmas what should happen to him?

[sadoldgit]

He is currently being paid to run Southampton Football Club NOT a bank FFS. (A job which Markus felt him eminently suitable for).

 

Is your advice that he makes no decisions without consulting the bookies first?

 

Let's see what he does next before we get the nails and wooden cross out shall we?

 

So you support the revolving door theory then? Even if the manager is doing well?

[Running Man]

So you support the revolving door theory then? Even if the manager is doing well?

 

I support the Chairman and believe my own eyes.

 

I don't think Pardew had the ability to change things when a game wasn't going well. His belated action in the second half against both Plymouth and Orient and his odd substitutions were enough to convince me that our chances of automatic promotion weren't as clear cut as they could be with the right manager.

 

As I said elsewhere give Cortese a chance. We have only seen the first half of the picture. Let's see who he brings in and what they achieve before complaining.

 

That's my last post of the day....

[Foxstone]

Then why choose him to start with? If Cortese thinks that Pardew is the wrong man after less than one season, then how can anybody have confidence in his next choice?

 

Very often, appointments don't always turn out the way the CV indicates they should!

 

Senor Capello arrived with an excellent track history to almost universal acclaim- But he has not turned out the right man for the job has he?

[Foxstone]

Of course not, you know what I mean. Tell me, if the new guy does not perform better than Pardew by Christmas what should happen to him?

 

NC's objectives are very clear and well publicised.

Any manager coming into the club will know these and take the job with this in mind.

 

If they deliver then good - Objective met! If they don't then they will go the same way as Pards..

[Whitey Grandad]

Senor Capello arrived with an excellent track history to almost universal acclaim- But he has not turned out the right man for the job has he?

He was the right man for qualifying but the wrong man for the tournament. By the same token, I believe that we need a different manager for League 1 than we shall for the Championship.

[CB Fry]

As this is SOG's personal thread, here's the best place to remind him now that Pardew has been sacked by Cortese, not forced out by the fans.

 

Worth pinning this down now because in the weeks to come no doubt SOG will try his tried-and-tested "happy now" routine where he will blame Alpine Saint and other fans for sacking Pardew/forcing Pardew out, etc etc.

 

Of course he did this with his beloved Burley, who in SOG's world was not poached away to manage his country but forced out by fans.

 

Don't try that stunt again SOG. I'm watching you.....

[sadoldgit]

As this is SOG's personal thread, here's the best place to remind him now that Pardew has been sacked by Cortese, not forced out by the fans.

 

Worth pinning this down now because in the weeks to come no doubt SOG will try his tried-and-tested "happy now" routine where he will blame Alpine Saint and other fans for sacking Pardew/forcing Pardew out, etc etc.

 

Of course he did this with his beloved Burley, who in SOG's world was not poached away to manage his country but forced out by fans.

 

Don't try that stunt again SOG. I'm watching you.....

 

Jesus Christ mate, what are you on? I know Cortese has sacked Pardew and that is where I lay the blame 100%. I am also very aware that peple like Alpine have not supported Pardew and are notunhappy to see the back of him but it is down to Cortese that he has gone. I don't think I can make this any clearer can I?

 

I also never said that Burley was forced out by the fans. I said I thought he was a better manager than many gave him credit for being. Simples.

 

You may be watching me, but you obviouly do not read my posts very carefully.

[sadoldgit]

NC's objectives are very clear and well publicised.

Any manager coming into the club will know these and take the job with this in mind.

 

If they deliver then good - Objective met! If they don't then they will go the same way as Pards..

 

AT what point will they go the same way as Pards? By Half Term? Christmas? Pardew asked for 18 months, not unreasonable. Barring a catastrophe, I don't think a review at Christmas was unreasonable. THis new guy is going to have to go some to keep his job for any length of time.

[alpine_saint]

As this is SOG's personal thread, here's the best place to remind him now that Pardew has been sacked by Cortese, not forced out by the fans.

 

Worth pinning this down now because in the weeks to come no doubt SOG will try his tried-and-tested "happy now" routine where he will blame Alpine Saint and other fans for sacking Pardew/forcing Pardew out, etc etc.

 

Of course he did this with his beloved Burley, who in SOG's world was not poached away to manage his country but forced out by fans.

 

Don't try that stunt again SOG. I'm watching you.....

 

[sadoldgit]

I should probably add loyalty to stability - another trait sadly lacking in football these days.

[alpine_saint]

AT what point will they go the same way as Pards? By Half Term? Christmas? Pardew asked for 18 months, not unreasonable. Barring a catastrophe, I don't think a review at Christmas was unreasonable. THis new guy is going to have to go some to keep his job for any length of time.

 

Pardew in my opinion showed willful subordination with his public comments about the approach to the Bolton game. He was extending a very large middle digit at NC.

 

So long as the new man fully understands and is willing to do his part in executing NCs plan, there should be no problems.

[Saint_clark]

Couple of players will be p*ssed off now as they were often singing Pardews praises.

[Smirking_Saint]

What if Pardew had lost motivation but refused to walk and so lose his payoff ??

 

Surely then he needed to go.

 

TBH he failed last season, after asking for extra funds. Lets see who we get in to replace him.

[CB Fry]

Jesus Christ mate, what are you on? I know Cortese has sacked Pardew and that is where I lay the blame 100%. I am also very aware that peple like Alpine have not supported Pardew and are notunhappy to see the back of him but it is down to Cortese that he has gone. I don't think I can make this any clearer can I?

 

I also never said that Burley was forced out by the fans. I said I thought he was a better manager than many gave him credit for being. Simples.

 

You may be watching me, but you obviouly do not read my posts very carefully.

 

 

I have read plenty, plenty of "happy now" lectures from you about Burley being forced out. You can cover it up now but some of us have longer memories.

[alpine_saint]

I have read plenty, plenty of "happy now" lectures from you about Burley being forced out. You can cover it up now but some of us have longer memories.

 

Yep. Most often referring in a derogatory manner to Pearson, who in my opinion pulled off the nearest thing I have ever seen to a miracle.

[sadoldgit]

I have read plenty, plenty of "happy now" lectures from you about Burley being forced out. You can cover it up now but some of us have longer memories.

 

No you haven't. I never said that Burley was forced out. Go and find them. Thing is you won't be able to.

[sadoldgit]

Yep. Most often referring in a derogatory manner to Pearson, who in my opinion pulled off the nearest thing I have ever seen to a miracle.

 

Yep it was that. 3 wins in 13 and 20 mins from relegation. The man is a legend.

[sadoldgit]

Pardew in my opinion showed willful subordination with his public comments about the approach to the Bolton game. He was extending a very large middle digit at NC.

 

So long as the new man fully understands and is willing to do his part in executing NCs plan, there should be no problems.

 

Well we all know what a footballing genious Mr Cortese is so lets sit back and enjoy the ride. If he signs a few more Brazilians there will be nothing to worry about will there?

[Foxstone]

AT what point will they go the same way as Pards? By Half Term? Christmas? Pardew asked for 18 months, not unreasonable. Barring a catastrophe, I don't think a review at Christmas was unreasonable. THis new guy is going to have to go some to keep his job for any length of time.

 

It will be incumbent on the new manager to "manage" NC's expectations correctly.

 

As long as he retains NC's confidence that the objectives are on track then he won't have a problem.

 

This is no different a situation to any well paid managerial role in any industry. Perform and deliver or step aside for somebody who can !

 

As for loyalty - That went out of the game when MLT retired

[alpine_saint]

Well we all know what a footballing genious Mr Cortese is so lets sit back and enjoy the ride. If he signs a few more Brazilians there will be nothing to worry about will there?

 

Man, you sound bitter.

[sadoldgit]

It would seem that to live up to Cortese's expectation the new manager will have to go through the rest of the season unbeaten!

 

After a poor start only the likes of Alpine could complain about the last 3/4s of last season. This season we would be in the play off spots already if we weren't a match light I am sure. I see know reason why Pardew couldn't deliver a goo season this year, so why sack him now? Sorry, it makes no sense to me.

[sadoldgit]

Man, you sound bitter.

 

Yes bitter that he has just sacked a decent manager at a crucial time for SFC. But so long as you are happy Alps. Tell me again, how many football clubs had Cortese run before last summer? But in Nicola we trust right?

[alpine_saint]

Yes bitter that he has just sacked a decent manager at a crucial time for SFC. But so long as you are happy Alps. Tell me again, how many football clubs had Cortese run before last summer? But in Nicola we trust right?

 

He had run as many clubs as your beetroot-faced Messiah from the Cotswolds had.

 

And yes, I trust NC very much, since he has communicated a clear objective to me that I agree with. He doesnt give a sh*t about share price, his reward is directly linked to our success.

[sadoldgit]

He had run as many clubs as your beetroot-faced Messiah from the Cotswolds had.

 

And yes, I trust NC very much, since he has communicated a clear objective to me that I agree with. He doesnt give a sh*t about share price, his reward is directly linked to our success.

 

And from day 1 everyone was saying he shouldn't run SFC because of his lack of experience. yet here we have another businesssman making big footballing decsions but that is okay? No double standards with you then Alpy? Still, you have seen the back of Pardew so you are a happy bunny this morning.

[grammy]

I have to agree with a lot of what Alpine has said recently. I think the pre-season was a shambles. Yes I know we picked up injuries but we had bits n pieces teams playing in these games and never got any momentum to take us into the new season. After watching 3 games its obvious many players are not as fit as they should be and I think that AP sacking could have been the result of this. I'm not saying I agree with the decision but we did seem under prepared for the start of the season.

[Foxstone]

And from day 1 everyone was saying he shouldn't run SFC because of his lack of experience. yet here we have another businesssman making big footballing decsions but that is okay? No double standards with you then Alpy? Still, you have seen the back of Pardew so you are a happy bunny this morning.

 

But Alps has already identified the key difference between the two of them.

 

NC wants football success - Ruperts chief driver was PLC success

[sadoldgit]

But Alps has already identified the key difference between the two of them.

 

NC wants football success - Ruperts chief driver was PLC success

 

Do you know that for sure? I thought he was trying to do what he could on a tight bugdet.

[alpine_saint]

And from day 1 everyone was saying he shouldn't run SFC because of his lack of experience. yet here we have another businesssman making big footballing decsions but that is okay? No double standards with you then Alpy? Still, you have seen the back of Pardew so you are a happy bunny this morning.

 

"No Mr. CB Fry, I swear I wont use the "happy now?" tactic....."

 

[alpine_saint]

But Alps has already identified the key difference between the two of them.

 

NC wants football success - Ruperts chief driver was PLC success

 

Yep. Remember the radio station, insurance services and enviable catering ???

[dronskisaint]

"No Mr. CB Fry, I swear I wont use the "happy now?" tactic....."

 

 

I'm sure of that...happy, positive, joke, cheerful have not featured in your postings in essence, content or intent in the time I've been reading this board.

 

I worry about the revolving door reputation that has dogged our club & I'm also certain that the number of managers that we have had has been a major (but not the only) factor in our being in L1.

 

However - we have a club...against the odds at some point last year - & this is down to the constant that we have in charge at the moment so, in my humble & non happy-clappy opinion we should get behind his decision whoever it turns out to be & back him.

 

We are still going up this year - as long as we back the club. Personnel are transitory

[alpine_saint]

As this is SOG's personal thread, here's the best place to remind him now that Pardew has been sacked by Cortese, not forced out by the fans.

 

Worth pinning this down now because in the weeks to come no doubt SOG will try his tried-and-tested "happy now" routine where he will blame Alpine Saint and other fans for sacking Pardew/forcing Pardew out, etc etc.

 

Of course he did this with his beloved Burley, who in SOG's world was not poached away to manage his country but forced out by fans.

 

Don't try that stunt again SOG. I'm watching you.....

 

And from day 1 everyone was saying he shouldn't run SFC because of his lack of experience. yet here we have another businesssman making big footballing decsions but that is okay? No double standards with you then Alpy? Still, you have seen the back of Pardew so you are a happy bunny this morning.

 

It took him 1hr, 57mins.

[Deppo]

Who is the best on the internet? Is it alpine saint, sadoldgit or CB Fry? Can we just have a poll and decide please? It's really important to them.

[CB Fry]

"No Mr. CB Fry, I swear I wont use the "happy now?" tactic....."

 

 

And from day 1 everyone was saying he shouldn't run SFC because of his lack of experience. yet here we have another businesssman making big footballing decsions but that is okay? No double standards with you then Alpy? Still, you have seen the back of Pardew so you are a happy bunny this morning.

 

 

 

It took him 1hr, 57mins.

 

 

Absolutely legendary.

[Deppo]

Who is the best on the internet? Is it alpine saint, sadoldgit or CB Fry? Can we just have a poll and decide please? It's really important to them.

 

My vote is CB Fry. He's the best internet person I've ever seen. He has the tenacity and patience to win loads of internet arguments.

[OttawaSaint]

Stability is fine, if it is with the right guy in charge. If stability was the only factor in success in football, Crewe would be perenial Prem favourites...