NickG Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Since Adkins took over (including the MK defeat) the league table is: Brighton played 20 points 39 Saints played 20 points 37 Bournemouth played 21 points 35 Huddersfield played 20 points 32 Oldham played 20 points 31 Mk played 22 points 31 Charlton played 18 points 28 Colchester played 19 points 28 Peterborough played 19 points 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Brighton - no reason why won't carry on Saints - Adkins no had chance to influence team, signed Chaplow, N'Guessan, Forte, Guly hitting form, Lambert improving - would hope could improve Bournemouth - lost manager?? Not sure if others have strengthened / weakened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 As Gareth Southgate observed on ITV during the match. Adkins inherited a bloody good team who had already won a trophy and would have been in last year's play-offs were it not for the 10 point deduction whereas most new manager's are hired to sort out a effing mess. All the statistics about Adkins won't really matter until we get to the NPC when he will be starting from scratch. The jury is still out on his overall capabilities, whether can he find and bring in players who make a difference and turn them into a team. This is Alan Pardew's team like it or lump it and let's all go boo-hiss but Lowe discovered Morgan Schneiderlin and had the foresight to snap him up as a promising kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 As Gareth Southgate observed on ITV during the match. Adkins inherited a bloody good team who had already won a trophy and would have been in last year's play-offs were it not for the 10 point deduction whereas most new manager's are hired to sort out a effing mess. All the statistics about Adkins won't really matter until we get to the NPC when he will be starting from scratch. The jury is still out on his overall capabilities, whether can he find and bring in players who make a difference and turn them into a team. This is Alan Pardew's team like it or lump it and let's all go boo-hiss but Lowe discovered Morgan Schneiderlin and had the foresight to snap him up as a promising kid. Well done Rupert ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 As Gareth Southgate observed on ITV during the match. Adkins inherited a bloody good team who had already won a trophy and would have been in last year's play-offs were it not for the 10 point deduction whereas most new manager's are hired to sort out a effing mess. All the statistics about Adkins won't really matter until we get to the NPC when he will be starting from scratch. The jury is still out on his overall capabilities, whether can he find and bring in players who make a difference and turn them into a team. This is Alan Pardew's team like it or lump it and let's all go boo-hiss but Lowe discovered Morgan Schneiderlin and had the foresight to snap him up as a promising kid. The bottom line. But it shouldnt detract from his achievement if he manages promotion, because Pardew couldnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 As Gareth Southgate observed on ITV during the match. Adkins inherited a bloody good team who had already won a trophy and would have been in last year's play-offs were it not for the 10 point deduction whereas most new manager's are hired to sort out a effing mess. All the statistics about Adkins won't really matter until we get to the NPC when he will be starting from scratch. The jury is still out on his overall capabilities, whether can he find and bring in players who make a difference and turn them into a team. This is Alan Pardew's team like it or lump it and let's all go boo-hiss but Lowe discovered Morgan Schneiderlin and had the foresight to snap him up as a promising kid. I have heard Lowe called all types of things but this is the first time, to my knowledge, he has been called a football scout! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 26 posts of absolute b*llocks. Let's try this one more time shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 26 posts of absolute b*llocks. Let's try this one more time shall we? Put my post back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I think what it shows is that despite our impressive run of form and results over Christmas, we are actually going to have to *improve* to make sure we go up. just demonstrates to those who think we have a god given right to 'walk this league' how tough it will actually be. I'm expecting this to be unresolved literally until the last day of the season. Stressful times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Put my post back If you really want, but it'll make no sense without all the b*tching around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 However you look at it you have to say Adkins has done what is expected of him, no more no less. What matters is the game tonight, and the one after that and so on. If we don't get the auto spots i think a lot of people would see that as failure. Without trying to sound negative this dip in this graph does concern me a little Let's hope we stop that downcurve tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 We were in the relegation zone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 However you look at it you have to say Adkins has done what is expected of him, no more no less. What matters is the game tonight, and the one after that and so on. If we don't get the auto spots i think a lot of people would see that as failure. Without trying to sound negative this dip in this graph does concern me a little Let's hope we stop that downcurve tonight! You dont think the fact that the last two down curves of our league position just happened to have occurred when we haven't been playing league games but others around us have is relevant then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 26 posts of absolute b*llocks. Let's try this one more time shall we? I'm afraid the only one guilty of that sin is you my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 If you really want, but it'll make no sense without all the b*tching around it. Well, you've done a pretty good job of trashing the continuity of the thread anyway. Within the "absolute b*ll*cks", both sides made relevant comments as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 However you look at it you have to say Adkins has done what is expected of him, no more no less. What matters is the game tonight, and the one after that and so on. If we don't get the auto spots i think a lot of people would see that as failure. Without trying to sound negative this dip in this graph does concern me a little Let's hope we stop that downcurve tonight! This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 You dont think the fact that the last two down curves of our league position just happened to have occurred when we haven't been playing league games but others around us have is relevant then? But we have played league games. We only have 1 game in hand over Huddersfield and 2 over Bournemouth. But we need to win both those games to get back above them. If we had won those last two dots we would not of fallen, that is what the graph is there to represent. They don't have a graph that has implemented the various excuses i.e played less games etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Well, you've done a pretty good job of trashing the continuity of the thread anyway. Within the "absolute b*ll*cks", both sides made relevant comments as well. Then feel free to repost the relevant points without the insults. This is directed at both sides of the argument btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 But we have played league games. We only have 1 game in hand over Huddersfield and 2 over Bournemouth. But we need to win both those games to get back above them. If we had won those last two dots we would not of fallen, that is what the graph is there to represent. They don't have a graph that has implemented the various excuses i.e played less games etc Er ....you're right. Misread the graph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I think what it shows is that despite our impressive run of form and results over Christmas, we are actually going to have to *improve* to make sure we go up. just demonstrates to those who think we have a god given right to 'walk this league' how tough it will actually be. I'm expecting this to be unresolved literally until the last day of the season. Stressful times. agree think it will go to the wire - would love for us to start pulling away for relaxing last few games but it can't be that easy for us can it! Those stats tho show we don't need to improve to go up only to win the league - although some of those teams are likely to have very different form, some dropping off and someone going on great run. Proves little except we are there, or there abouts as we need to be, and meant as bit of interest to see how Adkins has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 If you really want, but it'll make no sense without all the b*tching around it. Im kidding, this place gets pathetic some times, im glad you deleted them, the thread is better for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 However you look at it you have to say Adkins has done what is expected of him, no more no less. What matters is the game tonight, and the one after that and so on. If we don't get the auto spots i think a lot of people would see that as failure. Without trying to sound negative this dip in this graph does concern me a little Let's hope we stop that downcurve tonight! Dips are ok, whilst there is time to recover. Look at games 17 - 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 February, 2011 However you look at it you have to say Adkins has done what is expected of him, no more no less. What matters is the game tonight, and the one after that and so on. If we don't get the auto spots i think a lot of people would see that as failure. Without trying to sound negative this dip in this graph does concern me a little Let's hope we stop that downcurve tonight! last two results were a poor return but our position dropped due to not playing games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 last two results were a poor return but our position dropped due to not playing games No it didnt. We fell to 4th after losing to Tranmere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Dips are ok, whilst there is time to recover. Look at games 17 - 21. Yes without a doubt there is plenty of time on our side. Still got 3 months of games to play! But a loss tonight could see us 8 points behind 2nd. Which i am not sure but i imagine the gap from when we went from 9th to 2nd is not what it is now? Meaning a win won't take you 7 places up the table and into the auto spots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I suspect that any monkey could achieve what Adkins has done with,let's face it,the most expensive,most talented squad in this league. If we don't achieve automatic promotion then I for one will want to know why not and I would expect action to be taken to rectify this.....even a playoff place will be a disappointment IMO. I suspect NC will be asking the same question as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 February, 2011 No it didnt. We fell to 4th after losing to Tranmere. Did we? Ok my mistake thought we were still 3rd before cup game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I don't know enough about the other sides to say whether they have had any factors that would mean their form since 12 Sept (when Adkins was appointed here) is not a fair reflection as to where the team is now. Clearly there are reasons why what happened before that date for us is irrelevant for our ability to gain points in the second half of the season. If all clubs manage to maintain the points return they have had over the last 5 months this is how the final league table will look- Brighton 90 Saints 80 Bournemouth 78 Huddersfield 75 Charlton 72 Oldham 71 Peterborough 69 Colchester 69 MK 67 It won't though! Think it will be between those 4 for 2 places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulGilchrist_76 Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Since Adkins took over (including the MK defeat) the league table is: Brighton played 20 points 39 Saints played 20 points 37 Bournemouth played 21 points 35 Huddersfield played 20 points 32 Oldham played 20 points 31 Mk played 22 points 31 Charlton played 18 points 28 Colchester played 19 points 28 Peterborough played 19 points 27 Unfortunately, the only league table that counts is the real one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Unfortunately, the only league table that counts is the real one! However the thread is called "indications for 2nd half of season". Indication being the key word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Did we? Ok my mistake thought we were still 3rd before cup game. Sod it, you might be right, there is a dot at 3rd on that graph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 February, 2011 After tonights games; Brighton played 21 points 40 Saints played 21 points 40 Bournemouth played 22 points 38 Huddersfield played 21 points 35 Oldham played 21 points 34 Mk played 22 points 31 Charlton played 19 points 31 Colchester played 20 points 28 Peterborough played 20 points 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Looking pretty good, considering how we've messed up against Brentford, Carlisle, Huddersfield, Notts County, Tranmere and MK Dons under Adkins. Things are getting better, the team has found determination and grit, let's see if we can improve on that record under Adkins. If we do, I've got a feeling we might just go up automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I suspect that any monkey could achieve what Adkins has done with,let's face it,the most expensive,most talented squad in this league. If we don't achieve automatic promotion then I for one will want to know why not and I would expect action to be taken to rectify this.....even a playoff place will be a disappointment IMO. I suspect NC will be asking the same question as well. Yes beacuse that's how it works. That's why Chelsea have won every single competition every single year under Abramovich. L'oh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Tbf we have had to build a completely new squad. How many years did it take Chelsea to win the league after the money was injected in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Its encouraging, as it feels that Brighton and Bournemouth are doing very well and not dropping many points - then you look at this and see no team has done better since Adkins came in. He also started slowly with only one win in first 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Fag Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I suspect that any monkey could achieve what Adkins has done with,let's face it,the most expensive,most talented squad in this league. If we don't achieve automatic promotion then I for one will want to know why not and I would expect action to be taken to rectify this.....even a playoff place will be a disappointment IMO. I suspect NC will be asking the same question as well. well any monkey except misters Pardew and Wilkins it would appear as we were in the relegation positions when Adkins arrived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 well any monkey except misters Pardew and Wilkins it would appear as we were in the relegation positions when Adkins arrived Pardew would have most likely got us promoted. Probably wouldn't have us in as good a position as we are now, but I reckon we'd be around the play-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Tbf we have had to build a completely new squad. How many years did it take Chelsea to win the league after the money was injected in Errr. 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seagull Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Its encouraging, as it feels that Brighton and Bournemouth are doing very well and not dropping many points - then you look at this and see no team has done better since Adkins came in. He also started slowly with only one win in first 4. Brighton have done better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Brighton have done better. Look at the opening post and add in Tuesday's results and you will see Saints are top since Adkins took charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 2 February, 2011 After tonights games; Brighton played 21 points 40 Saints played 21 points 40 Bournemouth played 22 points 38 Huddersfield played 21 points 35 Oldham played 21 points 34 Mk played 22 points 31 Charlton played 19 points 31 Colchester played 20 points 28 Peterborough played 20 points 30 Brighton have done better. where have I got it wrong? Reckon we have done better on goal difference I think but not checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Pardew would have most likely got us promoted. I dispute that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 2 February, 2011 we will never know but not convinced Pardew would have matched this last 21 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Errr. 2. They had finished 4th the season before Abramovich arrived though. I must say i do find these threads largely pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2011 Saints played 21 points 40 Brighton played 21 points 40 Bournemouth played 22 points 38 Huddersfield played 21 points 35 Oldham played 21 points 34 Mk played 23 points 34 Charlton played 19 points 31 Colchester played 20 points 28 Peterborough played 20 points 30 updated following MK's midweek game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 4 February, 2011 Share Posted 4 February, 2011 I wonder if there has every been a manager that has got more points than the club he is managing, whilst he is managing them...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 4 February, 2011 Share Posted 4 February, 2011 Some interesting points. I actually think we will now get automatic promotion - I did not think this before Adkins arrived. He has done a pretty good job in my view. My only issue has sometimes been on late or non use of subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 February, 2011 Share Posted 4 February, 2011 The bottom line. But it shouldnt detract from his achievement if he manages promotion, because Pardew couldnt. Er,that would be a fair comparison, of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 4 February, 2011 Share Posted 4 February, 2011 The bottom line. But it shouldnt detract from his achievement if he manages promotion, because Pardew couldnt. Pardew only had one stab at it and almost achieved it even though he started with -10 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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