Johnny Bognor Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Our away win ratio is 50% (6 games from 12) and our home form is 50% (7 from 14), therefore is our away form really that bad? If you consider that we have won more away fixtures than anyone else in Div 3 and that our home wins are 6th equal along with 3 other teams, I wouldn't be so worried about the away fixtures. The teams above us have a better home win ratio (as do quite a few below us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 It looks much better now we've won that! Our away form statistically has looked bad because we haven't played many away games, and the stats could only really go on our early season games when we weren't great at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Amazingly we've picked up more points away from home than anyone else in the top 6, apart from Brighton - and having played less away games than most of them. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 1 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 February, 2011 (edited) It looks much better now we've won that! Our away form statistically has looked bad because we haven't played many away games, and the stats could only really go on our early season games when we weren't great at all. As it stands now, we are top of the away league, only just, with a better goal difference than Brighton. Comparatively speaking our away form is the best in the league. Our home form however, is not so good. Amazingly we've picked up more points away from home than anyone else in the top 6, apart from Brighton - and having played less away games than most of them. Go figure. We are above Brighton on goal difference in the away league, with a game in hand! It's the home games where we are seriously lacking Edited 1 February, 2011 by Johnny Bognor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Amazingly we've picked up more points away from home than anyone else in the top 6, apart from Brighton - and having played less away games than most of them. Go figure. it is odd...I just think we (or some) are worried with some of the away fixtures we have....a real, REAL test.. Brighton, Bompey, Charlton, P'boro, c'hester.... tough away games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 it is odd...I just think we (or some) are worried with some of the away fixtures we have....a real, REAL test.. Brighton, Bompey, Charlton, P'boro, c'hester.... tough away games I'm looking forward to the P'boro game though DD, judging by their defensive record we should get quite a few chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I'm looking forward to the P'boro game though DD, judging by their defensive record we should get quite a few chances. true...but going with a calamity goaly at the mo, they would say the same...... should be a great game and one we should do well in as they are bound to give our forwards space... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Without Mclean they have one less threat (he scored against us at St Marys didn't he?) so we should be able to take all 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Without Mclean they have one less threat (he scored against us at St Marys didn't he?) so we should be able to take all 3 points. They do have real quality and pace in Mackail-Smith and Boyd though, IMO probably the quickest attack in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 They do have real quality and pace in Mackail-Smith and Boyd though, IMO probably the quickest attack in the league. Boyd was completely nullified at our place so i'd say we should be able to deal with him again. But CMS looked very dangerous. I'm not saying it'll be easy, just that we kept out the best attack in the league with relative ease, so after losing Mclean there's no reason we can't do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Our away win ratio is 50% (6 games from 12) and our home form is 50% (7 from 14), therefore is our away form really that bad? If you consider that we have won more away fixtures than anyone else in Div 3 and that our home wins are 6th equal along with 3 other teams, I wouldn't be so worried about the away fixtures. The teams above us have a better home win ratio (as do quite a few below us). I said this around Xmas when everyone was cacking themselves about all the away games. If we win all our home games, the away form should take care of itself. Unfortunately we dropped two points to Notts County but we are doing well on the road. As long as we keep going then either: a) we will overtake other teams as they drop off, or b) the final placings will come down to the results between teams. We still have Cherries and Seagulls away; big games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Despite calls from some on the match thread last night that our season is in deep trouble and all the moaning earlier in Jan that we have so many away games, It is worth noting that after last nights result our away form is the joint best in the division despite playing at least one game less than the others. We have also only won one game less away than at home despite playing 3 fewer matches. We have won 3 of our last 4 away. Based on this evidence, is saying our season is in "deep trouble" are premature after being 1-1 away at Exeter, a difficult place to get a result, after 70 mins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 You dispute that anything other than a win last night, with Boro coming up at the weekend, would have been a catastrophe ? We would have been down to 5th or 6th place with that match coming up. After the Saturday there would have been a good chance of us being out of the top 6. I dont see why away form should be especially analysed. The table position says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 (edited) You dispute that anything other than a win last night, with Boro coming up at the weekend, would have been a catastrophe ? We would have been down to 5th or 6th place with that match coming up. After the Saturday there would have been a good chance of us being out of the top 6. I dont see why away form should be especially analysed. The table position says it all. Not Catastropic, no. Disapointing certainly but I would expect 4 points from Exeter and P'Boro would be considered by most a decent return from two tough away, i know i would. of course anything less than a win last night heaps pressure on us to get a result saturday, but we did win, we may have left it late, we may have a touch fortunate, but we won and that is all that matters. Why shouldn't we get a result at Boro? We've won half our games this season, we should expect at least a point, i expect us to win. And the reason i have analysed away form is because people were bemoaning how many away games we had against home games, put on a points per game basis our away form is the best in the league. And i wouldn't say being 4th, 2 points of second with two games in hand means our season is in deep trouble, would you? Edited 2 February, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Our season being in deep trouble in February to me would mean mid table, maybe with a draw or loss leaving us 6 or 7 points off sixth. Pretty much like last season. Disagree. If that were the case, the expectation would be much lower. And last season we had the 10pt excuse prepared. The expectation is sky-high for this season, and to my mind there is still no excuse for not being promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Not Catastropic, no. Disapointing certainly but I would expect 4 points from Exeter and P'Boro would be considered by most a decent return from two tough away, i know i would. of course anything less than a win last night heaps pressure on us to get a result saturday, but we did win, we may have left it late, we may have a touch fortunate, but we won and that is all that matters. Why shouldn't we get a result at Boro? We've won half our games this season, we should expect at least a point, i expect us to win. And the reason i have analysed away form is because people were bemoaning how many away games we had against home games, put on a points per game basis our away form is the best in the league. And i wouldn't say being 4th, 2 points of second with two games in hand means our season is in deep trouble, would you? Thats because we WON. (For the record, I am sure I posted that post BEFORE we equallised, but the site was running so slow maybe it didnt get through until later) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Disagree. If that were the case, the expectation would be much lower. And last season we had the 10pt excuse prepared. The expectation is sky-high for this season, and to my mind there is still no excuse for not being promoted. I agree, but being 4th, even 6th, with 20 games to go doesn't mean our season is in deep trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Thats because we WON. (For the record, I am sure I posted that post BEFORE we equallised, but the site was running so slow maybe it didnt get through until later) So we are going to go back to speculating on what might happen if we hadnt won then? That we might have lost last night and might lose on saturday then we might be out of the top 6? BTW, Barnard missed an open goal from 10 yards last night, i'm sure he'd have scored if Lallan had been playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Turkish has turned into NickG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Turkish has turned into NickG. F*ck off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Turkish Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 BTW, we have also scored the second highest amount of goals away from hom this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Turkish has turned into NickG. F*ck off! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Frank's cousin Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Disagree. If that were the case, the expectation would be much lower. And last season we had the 10pt excuse prepared. The expectation is sky-high for this season, and to my mind there is still no excuse for not being promoted. I think in some respects you are right about expectations - especially given the investment and the quality we have at our disposal, but if you consider we only had 1 win in the first 4 games + plus 3 defeats when managerless -(had we won 2 of those 6 or 7 games we would be top now... despite the odd hick up) the fact that we are 4th with agmes in hand does at least suggest we are on track at this time - yes we have played more home games and have some tough aways to come, but these were always going to be tough away games and if we are serious about getting promoted we will need to get something from them. Everyone has the odd slip up, but if you look at the table, top and second are about 10 points off what we saw last year - the whole division is tighter and I woudl suggest that we would be far harder done by this season whad we had -10 points as there are more sides in the top 10 that can cause problems. I never expected an easy ride as we have seen with Chelsea and Man City, spending big and having the resource is NO guarrantee for success - it can get you thereabouts but you need that extra spark, togetherness, fitness and a huge slice of luck to be able to 'walk away with it'. I know that we probably have a side now that would give many championship sides a run for their money - possibly mid table, but that is a different set of circumstances to getting out of this one - its not an excuse if we dont make it, but we should be realistic about the importance of so many variables - if anything was guarranteed in sport, it would have no interest at all. Dont mean to sound like a patronizing tw*t, but you do often make valid points that get jumped on because you tend to use such dramtic words to describe them - 'catastrophic' - sorry even two or three defeats in a row is not catastrophic with 20 games to go - alot can and will happen yet and it is sure to be nail biting towards the end, but is that not how it should be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 2 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 2 February, 2011 You dispute that anything other than a win last night, with Boro coming up at the weekend, would have been a catastrophe ? We would have been down to 5th or 6th place with that match coming up. After the Saturday there would have been a good chance of us being out of the top 6. I dont see why away form should be especially analysed. The table position says it all. We are top of the away table for the season so far (with a better goal difference than Brighton). Therefore our away performance is the best in the League over the season so far. It is in fact our home form that has let us down and is the reason why we are where we are. Bournemouth have won 11 at home, Boro 10 and Brighton/Huddersfield have won 9, whilst we have only managed 7 wins. Many on here go on about our away from when it is our home form that should concern people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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