Pilchards Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 The game used to finish at 4-45? It's strange that since Adkins has taken over we sometimes often start kicking off at 4-07 2nd half. Sometimes games are not finishing until 5 these days. Is it because he requests the full 15 minutes half time break from the officials or does he hold the team back a few minutes after the return buzzer to annoy our opponents? It's interesting to note we scored 25 times in the first 15 minutes of the 2nd half which suggests his tactics do work, also he likes to put impact players on at the 70th minute mark which is when we score most goals in total. What's your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 I think you will find we don't kick off until 3:05pm now adays plus stoppage time would normally mean 7 minutes late so a 4:07pm kick off for the second half is probably about right. Then 45 minutes plus normally an average of 4 minutes of stoppage time means an almost 5pm finish. This has been happening for the last few years and not just us but the whole of the football league and premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 I always notice that our games at home are normally one of the last to finish. I think he tries to get the best out of the players considering his background and the way he knows the footballers bodies (as he would have had to study this). I think he is spot on with what he does, the rest the players need, and other little things that I would not even know about. Diets, coming back from injury, best time to get the best out of a player against the oppo, and fitness levels. All I think could make us stand out from the crowd and hit the ground running next season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 They just do it so that I can never get the 5.15 ferry ! Even worse on a night game ! Barstewards ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 I think you will find we don't kick off until 3:05pm now adays plus stoppage time would normally mean 7 minutes late so a 4:07pm kick off for the second half is probably about right. Then 45 minutes plus normally an average of 4 minutes of stoppage time means an almost 5pm finish. This has been happening for the last few years and not just us but the whole of the football league and premier league. But quite often our game finishes last out of the whole football league. I find the non league and the premier league finish first then the football league. I do not get to go to most of the games in a season so I am often screaming at the tv for the game to finish when most of the others have had their shower and cleared off home!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 Late finishing times are because English football has used a full 15 minute half time PLUS the time taken to get on and off the pitch since something like 2000/1 (for the benefit of Sky Sports, mainly) as opposed to the "up to" 15 minutes they have in Scotland, which is why the Scottish results appear to be final scores sooner on a Saturday afternoon. Also, the handshaking crap beforehand means more matches kick off later anyway due to poor time management. Add to that the introduction of the "added time" board, which now guarantees a MINIMUM amount of added time at the end, onto which any added time substitutions or goals are added on top, and you can see why games are taking longer to complete - back when it was just the ref who knew how much was left, the decision was far more arbitrary. Now there's "a board" there's usually at least 1 minute at the end of the first half as well, which practically never used to happen. You can throw specific amounts of added time being allocated to each substitution, managers sending players to the far side of the pitch to waste time, and the daft lengthy goal celebrations into the mix of "reasons 3pm kick offs finish at 5pm instead of 4:45-4:50pm" as well. It all adds up. As for scoring goals in the 70th minute or thereabouts, Brighton also scored a lot of their significant goals around 60-75 mins from Feb onwards, so I would assume it's a natural time when all the fitness and all the concentration in the world isn't going to help players who are exhausted from constantly defending and chasing a better, stronger, fitter, or more confident team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 (edited) Similar "half-time duration" discussion here : http://www.wsc.co.uk/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,73/func,view/catid,27/id,314816/ in which some people are swearing blind that half time only went to a full 15 mins in 1989/90 for ITV's live football coverage and some lower league Scottish games still use 10-12 minutes. I vaguely remember a dictat from the Premier League about all matches getting the full 15 minutes when we were still in it, hence my 2000-ish estimate. You won't be in favour of this then ? http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/22/fifa-half-time-extension Edited 11 May, 2011 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 Oh, and just because I found it, FIFA's Laws of the Game state that "half time may not exceed 15 minutes", but that half time duration must be stated in the rules of the competition, which explains why England and (it seems) Scotland have different durations in practice. http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/lawsofthegame/law/newsid=1290851.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 I love refereeing youth football, 5 minutes an they are all back lined up and ready to go!! I on the other hand am still sat down at the side of the pitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 11 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 11 May, 2011 When video refereeing comes in then it will be 5-30 finishes. I believe Baseball and US Football finish all different times and the thought of having link play to the other games going on will tell you what result you will need to achieve soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 games have never finshed at 4.45. it always use to be around 4.52pm a game would finish if no injury time but nowadays nearer 5pm inc injury time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 Whilst some of the reasons given for why we are finishing later these days are quite correct. There is no doubt in my mind we seem to finish later or consistently later than most. There have been a few occassions where we are close to being the last score in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 games have never finshed at 4.45. it always use to be around 4.52pm a game would finish if no injury time but nowadays nearer 5pm inc injury time. Never's a long time. Players used to talk about twenty to five on a Saturday afternoon (4.40!) not so long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 (edited) games have never finshed at 4.45. it always use to be around 4.52pm a game would finish if no injury time but nowadays nearer 5pm inc injury time. Yes they have,half-time used to be 10 minutes,games kicked off at 3 sharp and injury time only ever used to be a couple of minutes. As there were no subs until 65/66 there was no 30 secs per sub either, even when subs started (1 named sub, no choosing 3 from 7) I don't think they added on 30 secs if the sub came on.Time wasting was time wasting, few refs added on time for it.The results used to start ticking up on the Grandstand teleprinter from about 4.42 onwards. Edited 11 May, 2011 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 Normally we kick off the second half between 1607 and 1609 which with added time gives a game finish of 1655 to 1700. I time precisely to the second the starting whistle of the second half so I can accurately gauge the finish time as the stp clock timing ends at 90 minutes. I use a radio watch that is accurate to micro seconds. I really don't see why the game can't start dead on 1500 or whatever designated start time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 Yes they have,half-time used to be 10 minutes,games kicked off at 3 sharp and injury time only ever used to be a couple of minutes. As there were no subs until 65/66 there was no 30 secs per sub either, even when subs started (1 named sub, no choosing 3 from 7) I don't think they added on 30 secs if the sub came on.Time wasting was time wasting, few refs added on time for it.The results used to start ticking up on the Grandstand teleprinter from about 4.42 onwards. My recollection too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 I'm sure some statto on here will be able to tell us exactly what the time was when Bobby Stokes scored at Wembley in 76. I thought I'd read somewhere in the dark murky past that it was 4.32 - which would roughly equate to a 10 min HT and a 1640 finish not including injury time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
September Saint Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 Yes they have,half-time used to be 10 minutes,games kicked off at 3 sharp and injury time only ever used to be a couple of minutes. As there were no subs until 65/66 there was no 30 secs per sub either, even when subs started (1 named sub, no choosing 3 from 7) I don't think they added on 30 secs if the sub came on.Time wasting was time wasting, few refs added on time for it.The results used to start ticking up on the Grandstand teleprinter from about 4.42 onwards. I remember the Grandstand Teleprinter displaying the first results at 4.40. The ref should start the match at exactly 3.00 and start the second half exactly 15 minutes after he blows for half time. If a team isn't there the match starts without them. They'll only do it the once!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 I'm sure some statto on here will be able to tell us exactly what the time was when Bobby Stokes scored at Wembley in 76. I thought I'd read somewhere in the dark murky past that it was 4.32 - which would roughly equate to a 10 min HT and a 1640 finish not including injury time. 4;32 was it, still remember it as a sort of timeless moment,remember seeing Stokesy hit the shot,Stepney went down late and I thought "he ain't going to get that" then I got projected forward about 10 rows (well so it seemed anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 11 May, 2011 Share Posted 11 May, 2011 4;32 was it, still remember it as a sort of timeless moment,remember seeing Stokesy hit the shot,Stepney went down late and I thought "he ain't going to get that" then I got projected forward about 10 rows (well so it seemed anyway) Same for me ..... one of those everything going in slow motion moments. You may well have been in the same block as me, as from the moment the ball left Stoke's boot I could see Stepney was not going to reach it and i had already started my goal celebration jump before the ball went past him and had hit the back of the net ......and no I didn't stop to check my watch to see what the time was Luckily for my heart I was still facing the wrong way trying to relocate myself to my starting position of before the goal, so I missed Utd hitting the crossbar/post on their first attack from the restart!! Anyway back on thread _ I'm sure I read it somewhere as being 4.32!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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