Turkish Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Im amazed their hasn't been a thread on this already. Thoughts people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 I have no idea what it is but I bet responses will quickly be about how the UK is evil, the white man is a racist and we should help more foreigners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2012 was a programme on C4 about Luton and the EDL and Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 TDD in chip on shoulder shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 TDD in chip on shoulder shock. not really...just know what the responses will be by the lounge super stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Pride goes before destruction Prejudice causes destruction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Saw parts of it, every single person in the show managed to look like a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 It was a perfect illustration of how UAF march against the EDL, yet don't bat an eye lid when you have Islamist extremists demanding Sharia law. Can you imagine if a group of white English people called for the outlawing of homosexual relationships. UAF would turn up by the bus load to protest, but because it's Muslims calling for it they are nowhere to be seen. In fact they march alongside those who support sharia. As Churchill once said "the fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 thorpie-le-saint is pro sharia law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 As Churchill once said "the fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists" What will the anti-fascists of the future call themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint.tom.clancy Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 To be honest, I didn't know loads about the EDL beforehand, but had some sympathy with their "cause". After watching it last night though, they did themselves no favours whatsoever. 90% of them are just f*cking stupid and up for a ruck, not helped by that Tommy Robinson quite obviously just being a racist. They will never be taken seriously, if I heard right, and they are against sharia law and muslim extremists, why did I hear more than once him refer to all muslims? Rather than just the extremists, he's on camera for f*cksake, beyond stupid. Saying that, the extremists are scum and no one can argue that. If they are so obsessed with sharia law, why not live in a country which has it? I dont think the program did any favours to either, and just stirred it up more on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Saw parts of it, every single person in the show managed to look like a moron. Which is why i am stunned that none of our Social Networking Self righteous jerk (SNSRJ) have been all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2012 (edited) To be honest, I didn't know loads about the EDL beforehand, but had some sympathy with their "cause". After watching it last night though, they did themselves no favours whatsoever. 90% of them are just f*cking stupid and up for a ruck, not helped by that Tommy Robinson quite obviously just being a racist. They will never be taken seriously, if I heard right, and they are against sharia law and muslim extremists, why did I hear more than once him refer to all muslims? Rather than just the extremists, he's on camera for f*cksake, beyond stupid. Saying that, the extremists are scum and no one can argue that. If they are so obsessed with sharia law, why not live in a country which has it? I dont think the program did any favours to either, and just stirred it up more on both sides. At the start the bloke running the EDL actually did talk abit of sense, or at least came across that way, by the end of it he made himself look a total cock. particularly dressing as a rabi then "slipping the old bill" it was like something out of the football factory. Seemed to be treating it all as a bit of laugh. The Mulsim bloke wasn't any better, presumably everyone here was outraged by his comments to ban homosexuality and make everyone convert to Islam. The only one that talked any amount of sense or came had any credilbity was the Iman. Dune makes a good point, why are the UAF so active against the EDL but dont bat an eyelid when the Islamic extremists are doing their thing. Edited 28 February, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 They have a similar, almost identical (with dune's UAF stuff and all) thread going on over at the UI. Quite apart from anything else, I fail to see how the EDL plan to solve Islamist extremism. Are we to believe that droves of mostly white individuals turning up in town centres is going to have any effect whatsoever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 i was watching EMPIRE on BBC1 with Jeremy Paxman, an excellent bit of television that should be showed in every school in Britain , educational and fascinating, i am proud of the legacy that the British left in so many places. Lawrence of Arabia was game as f*ck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 They have a similar, almost identical (with dune's UAF stuff and all) thread going on over at the UI. Quite apart from anything else, I fail to see how the EDL plan to solve Islamist extremism. Are we to believe that droves of mostly white individuals turning up in town centres is going to have any effect whatsoever? i don't thnk they can solve it. but there are parts of the country like Luton / tower hamlets, where Islamic extremists consider as their areas where they are particularly active in what they do, so by turning up there it is a way of drawing attention to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 i don't thnk they can solve it. but there are parts of the country like Luton / tower hamlets, where Islamic extremists consider as their areas where they are particularly active in what they do, so by turning up there it is a way of drawing attention to it. But they also want to create aggravation and divisions. They "protested" outside the mosque in Portsmouth which has no links whatsoever to muslim extremism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 But they also want to create aggravation and divisions. They "protested" outside the mosque in Portsmouth which has no links whatsoever to muslim extremism. isn't that fair game in protesting these days...aggravation..? just look at any student/stop the war demo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 i was watching EMPIRE on BBC1 with Jeremy Paxman, an excellent bit of television that should be showed in every school in Britain , educational and fascinating, i am proud of the legacy that the British left in so many places. Lawrence of Arabia was game as f*ck I watched this too. We should all be very proud of our colonial history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 i don't thnk they can solve it. but there are parts of the country like Luton / tower hamlets, where Islamic extremists consider as their areas where they are particularly active in what they do, so by turning up there it is a way of drawing attention to it. I think they know this too, which begs the question - what are they actually doing? There is enough attention on Islamic extremism. It has been more or less constant on the news since 9/11. The EDL aren't adding anything to our understanding, and I suspect that they are simply a bunch of racists who've chosen an ostensibly unassailable cause to hide behind. It all works beautifully until you actually hear them speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 isn't that fair game in protesting these days...aggravation..? just look at any student/stop the war demo What is your experience of student/stop the war demos? I've been on plenty, and have only ever seen trouble when the demo was reported on the news in the evening. (the cameras love the scuffles mate - people peacefully walking through London just ain't great for viewing figures ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 isn't that fair game in protesting these days...aggravation..? just look at any student/stop the war demo mmm completely spurious to the point I was making. funny how you often seem to play devil's advocate when something critical is said of the EDL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 mmm completely spurious to the point I was making. funny how you often seem to play devil's advocate when something critical is said of the EDL. im not...they are all equally moronic..I can't stand the UAF and the people that support their views...and many do on here, which is utterly DISGUSTING...I also can't stand the EDL and think they are nobs of the highest order. could easily live without both...there, I am one of the few here that generally can't stand them both and not hypocritical in saying so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 I have no idea what it is but I bet responses will quickly be about how the UK is evil, the white man is a racist and we should help more foreigners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 What is your experience of student/stop the war demos? I've been on plenty, and have only ever seen trouble when the demo was reported on the news in the evening. (the cameras love the scuffles mate - people peacefully walking through London just ain't great for viewing figures ). some of the wide spread disorder shown in london was disgusting.. I remember being given a police escort when working in london on may 1st 2001. I had to be escorted from Charing Cross tube station to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (where I was working) and some of the behaviour was disgusting... as we come up the steps by Trafalgar square (from the tube station)...8 blokes..EIGHT..were squatting down on the steps having a dump......I kid you not free speech and all that is great...but not when it is used irresponsibly like we see in many cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 (edited) Dune makes a good point, why are the UAF so active against the EDL but dont bat an eyelid when the Islamic extremists are doing their thing. The UAF exists purely to fight against the EDL. Its not interested in right or wrong, legal or illegal. It turns up to cause trouble wherever the EDL or BNP are known to be planning a gathering, simply to cause it to end in a total f**king chaos knowing precisely that the heavily left-wing biased media will blame the trouble on the EDL and therefore cause a PR disaster for them. The UAF is as bullying, prejudiced, bigoted and anti-democratic as the EDL or BNP, perhaps even more so. The BNP and EDL talk often ridiculous embarassing b*ll*cks, but I think the tactic that causes them to look the most stupid is to allow them to express their opinions openly without rancour. While the violence goes on, they can always call on the sympathy of an element of society since they are being prevented from expressing their opinions. Edited 28 February, 2012 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 im not...they are all equally moronic..I can't stand the UAF and the people that support their views...and many do on here, which is utterly DISGUSTING...I also can't stand the EDL and think they are nobs of the highest order. could easily live without both...there, I am one of the few here that generally can't stand them both and not hypocritical in saying so Mate, I can deal with your off-the-cuff remarks, but let's not forget that it was dune who brought the UAF thing up. It was called out as a straw man argument on the UI, and mentioned here only because he's copying and pasting his standard defence of the EDL ( essentially pointing the finger elsewhere ) on this board too. Guess what? Still a straw man argument here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Mate, I can deal with your off-the-cuff remarks, but let's not forget that it was dune who brought the UAF thing up. It was called out as a straw man argument on the UI, and mentioned here only because he's copying and pasting his standard defence of the EDL ( essentially pointing the finger elsewhere ) on this board too. Guess what? Still a straw man argument here. the UAF and EDL can't and won't exist without each other.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 some of the wide spread disorder shown in london was disgusting.. I remember being given a police escort when working in london on may 1st 2001. I had to be escorted from Charing Cross tube station to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (where I was working) and some of the behaviour was disgusting... as we come up the steps by Trafalgar square (from the tube station)...8 blokes..EIGHT..were squatting down on the steps having a dump......I kid you not free speech and all that is great...but not when it is used irresponsibly like we see in many cases Tell you what - I'll refrain from commenting authoratively on life in the mob, you stop commenting on real life. Deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 im not...they are all equally moronic..I can't stand the UAF and the people that support their views...and many do on here, which is utterly DISGUSTING...I also can't stand the EDL and think they are nobs of the highest order. could easily live without both...there, I am one of the few here that generally can't stand them both and not hypocritical in saying so Many of here support the views of UAF? Who exactly? I agree with your general point though. In principle, I agree with standing up against extremism but the problem the EDL have is that their core support are actually just out and out racist and don't don't fully understand the principles behind what they are supposed to be speaking out against. Too many morons use it as an excuse to get ****ed up and try and crack a skull open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 They are all as bad as each other. Extremism in all forms is generally wrong, and also misguided, not to mention morally dubious and that is putting it kindly. The problem about extremism is that it tries to place everything within one narrow minded mantra, and life just isn't that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2012 The UAF exists purely to fight against the EDL. Its not interested in right or wrong, legal or illegal. It turns up to cause trouble wherever the EDL or BNP are known to be planning a gathering, simply to cause it to end in a total f**king chaos knowing precisely that the heavily left-wing biased media will blame the trouble on the EDL and therefore cause a PR disaster for them. The UAF is as bullying, prejudiced, bigoted and anti-democratic as the EDL or BNP, perhaps even more so. The BNP and EDL talk often ridiculous embarassing b*ll*cks, but I think the tactic that causes them to look the most stupid is to allow them to express their opinions openly without rancour. While the violence goes on, they can always call on the sympathy of an element of society since they are being prevented from expressing their opinions. I wonder what our SNSRJ's think of the UAF?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Perhaps Channel 5 should put both groups on a desert island and film the results. 'I'm an extremist, get me out of here' The weekly eviction phone voting would be quite illuminating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2012 They are all as bad as each other. Extremism in all forms is generally wrong, and also misguided, not to mention morally dubious and that is putting it kindly. The problem about extremism is that it tries to place everything within one narrow minded mantra, and life just isn't that simple. What do you think of the UAF Andy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Many of here support the views of UAF? Who exactly? I agree with your general point though. In principle, I agree with standing up against extremism but the problem the EDL have is that their core support are actually just out and out racist and don't don't fully understand the principles behind what they are supposed to be speaking out against. Too many morons use it as an excuse to get ****ed up and try and crack a skull open. I would say the UAF are equally racist...they are, LIKE the EDL a disgusting group...and the TSW member who is part of the UAF and who is a teacher....well, I find that amazing that teachers are allowed to be part of extremist groups...if I ever have kids and I find out my teacher is a member of the UAF/EDL or anything like that, I will pull them from that class immditalely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Tell you what - I'll refrain from commenting authoratively on life in the mob, you stop commenting on real life. Deal? are you saying what i saw with m own eyes was not real.........? live and let live my liberal wet lettuce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 the UAF and EDL can't and won't exist without each other.... Really? UAF - founded 2003 EDL - founded 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 What do you think of the UAF Andy? I don't know enough about them to comment, so I won't try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2012 I would say the UAF are equally racist...they are, LIKE the EDL a disgusting group...and the TSW member who is part of the UAF and who is a teacher....well, I find that amazing that teachers are allowed to be part of extremist groups...if I ever have kids and I find out my teacher is a member of the UAF/EDL or anything like that, I will pull them from that class immditalely Who can this be?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Really? UAF - founded 2003 EDL - founded 2009 yes really......one will not now exist without the other (or some form) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 are you saying what i saw with m own eyes was not real.........? live and let live my liberal wet lettuce Not if you've only seen it on the telly, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2012 (edited) I don't know enough about them to comment, so I won't try. That doesn't usually stop you. http://uaf.org.uk/ all you could possibly wish to know. Edited 28 February, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 yes really......one will not now exist without the other (or some form) The point is, you're not even getting basic facts right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Not if you've only seen it on the telly, mate. what part of......I WAS GETTING A POLICE ESCORT did you miss...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 The point is, you're not even getting basic facts right. lol live and let live you wet lettuce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Really? UAF - founded 2003 EDL - founded 2009 The UAF were set up with the sole purpose of opposing the BNP and now EDL. Why aren't they demonstation and disrupting marches by Islamic extremists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 what part of......I WAS GETTING A POLICE ESCORT did you miss...? The part where it was relevant to your experience of being on Stop The War / Student demos, skip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Really? UAF - founded 2003 EDL - founded 2009 How pathetic. You know fully bloody well that the UAF is the modern-day Anti-Nazi League and they fought against the NF back in the 70s. They filled in the time in-between causing trouble at BNP rallyes. Must be a real bummer for them trying to potentially cover two events at a time, BNP and EDL, mob-handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7250697.stm people won't like the...nor believe it..but the people behind this failed plot HAD ties with members of the UAF I am not going to tell you how I know....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 The part where it was relevant to your experience of being on Stop The War / Student demos, skip. sorry, was not at any stop the war demos...I was too busy taking part in it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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