Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

So then why is Islam a common factor in so many of these attacks?

These people need no excuse to end lives of people they do not align with.

Even the 'moderates' will effectively end your life for ridiculous 'stuff' (as the Batley school teacher)

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

And I asked you to, and you went off on some weird tangent instead of answering the question.

This is not the first time this has happened either.

You asked me who and I answered who. Not sure why you think my post didn't answer the question or was a weird tangent. 

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

You asked me who and I answered who. Not sure why you think my post didn't answer the question or was a weird tangent. 

Because your post explicitly mentioned this thread, yet nothing you mentioned had anything to do with people who could post on this thread.

[AlexLaw76]

This lad/family were the lucky ones...

https://humanists.uk/2023/02/27/shock-as-religious-groups-pressure-school-into-suspending-pupils-for-minor-damage-to-quran/

[AlexLaw76]

what EVER you do, never ever show a caricature of the great prophet in the UK...never

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/31/batley-school-what-teacher-in-hiding-can-tell-us-about-our-failure-to-tackle-intolerance

[AlexLaw76]

I wonder what benefits the NHS were originally referring to when discussing banging your cousin

https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2061

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

I wonder what benefits the NHS were originally referring to when discussing banging your cousin

https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2061

What's that got to do with terrorist attacks?

[AlexLaw76]

10 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

What's that got to do with terrorist attacks?

Because, societal liberalism, especially in the West, allows for these nutters to act in plain sight. 

As the great Mayor of London once said - just part and parcel of a living in a big city

Edited 2 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Because, societal liberalism, especially in the West, allows for these nutters to act in plain sight. 

As the great Mayor of London once said - just part and parcel of a living in a big city

But the liberals can't or won't see it. They are too worried about the optics rather than facts.

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

But the liberals can't or won't see it. They are too worried about the optics rather than facts.

WWJD ?

[badgerx16]

Ralph:

[egg]

31 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So then why is Islam a common factor in so many of these attacks?

Ask yourself which religion has been the most persecuted since the end of WW2. It's madness to point to books rather than events for motivation. 

[Sir Ralph]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Ralph:

I'm not sure where you are going with this.

Last time I checked the Ten Commandments said thou shalt not murder.I'm pretty sure Christianity starting point is one of tolerance towards people but you can call out ideologies or concept that are harmful to fellow humans.

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

Ask yourself which religion has been the most persecuted since the end of WW2. It's madness to point to books rather than events for motivation. 

So nothing to do with the perverted teachings of some within the religion itself? The reason that almost all terror attacks in the West are committed by extremist Islamists is because the religion has been persecuted since the end of WW2?

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I'm not sure where you are going with this.

Last time I checked the Ten Commandments said thou shalt not murder.I'm pretty sure Christianity starting point is one of tolerance towards people but you can call out ideologies or concept.

As far as I can work out, Jesus was a liberal, and probably would have rocked up left of centre on the political spectrum. My post was a response to "the liberals can't or won't see it". Surely the point about "liberals" is that they are beng tolerant towards others, and choosing not to tar all of a particuler ethnic/religious group with the same broad brush.

[sadoldgit]

11 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

This is essentially softening or seeking to justify the attacks. This is frankly unbelievable. In modern times no other religion has individuals shooting innocent civilians in cold blood. Wake up you idiot. It’s people like you who discourage real debate about this issue.

I take it back, you are an extremist yourself. 

You and the people who support your posts are completely deluded. No one including me is softening or trying to soften what happened yesterday and what has been happening for years. Your hatred of Muslims clouds your understanding of both what is going on and what people who don’t hate every Muslim are saying. It is a deniable fact that atrocities have been carried out by either side in either side for centuries. Every act only serves to deepen the divide and can only serve to encourage violent reactions. 
This idea that one side is responsible for everything that has ever happened and the other is an innocent victim is beyond ridiculous.

You talk of shooting people in cold blood. You seem oblivious to the number of Palestinians shot in cold blood by the IDF. No surprise really because you and the people who like your posts make it clear daily that a Muslim life is worth less than any other life.

Get someone to read this part to you out loud. There is absolutely nothing that justifies killing anybody going about their daily business peacefully no matter what the colour of their skin, what religion, if any, they follow, no matter what difference they may have from another person.

It really isn’t hard to understand but your need to twist this statement every time it is made says more about you than me.

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So nothing to do with the perverted teachings of some within the religion itself? The reason that almost all terror attacks in the West are committed by extremist Islamists is because the religion has been persecuted since the end of WW2?

Genuine question, what proportion of muslims in the UK aren't integrating ?

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Genuine question, what proportion of muslims in the UK aren't integrating ?

What does integrating supposed to look like.

I would have a different view of this compared to you, for example.

 

[Sir Ralph]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

As far as I can work out, Jesus was a liberal, and probably would have rocked up left of centre on the political spectrum. My post was a response to "the liberals can't or won't see it". Surely the point about "liberals" is that they are beng tolerant towards others, and choosing not to tar all of a particuler ethnic/religious group with the same broad brush.

Jesus had liberal virtues like helping the poor and needy and the sick. He also had more conservative values, such as being pro-life and supporting the nuclear family. I think it would be difficult to pigeon hole.

I think there is a difference between being tolerant and not being clear that some radical ideologies are bad for mankind and being clear about this. I dont think anyone has tarred a whole religious group with the same brush. The comments made here are referring to the extreme sect of a religion. 

[sadoldgit]

11 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I'm not sure where you are going with this.

Last time I checked the Ten Commandments said thou shalt not murder.I'm pretty sure Christianity starting point is one of tolerance towards people but you can call out ideologies or concept that are harmful to fellow humans.

I think that you will find that all three religions that stem from the same source preach peace and love. Only extremists in all three find ways to interpret the source material in other ways. Your hatred of one particular branch of this religion seems to blind you to extreme actions and views by others.

[Sir Ralph]

15 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You and the people who support your posts are completely deluded. No one including me is softening or trying to soften what happened yesterday and what has been happening for years. Your hatred of Muslims clouds your understanding of both what is going on and what people who don’t hate every Muslim are saying. It is a deniable fact that atrocities have been carried out by either side in either side for centuries. Every act only serves to deepen the divide and can only serve to encourage violent reactions. 
This idea that one side is responsible for everything that has ever happened and the other is an innocent victim is beyond ridiculous.

You talk of shooting people in cold blood. You seem oblivious to the number of Palestinians shot in cold blood by the IDF. No surprise really because you and the people who like your posts make it clear daily that a Muslim life is worth less than any other life.

Get someone to read this part to you out loud. There is absolutely nothing that justifies killing anybody going about their daily business peacefully no matter what the colour of their skin, what religion, if any, they follow, no matter what difference they may have from another person.

It really isn’t hard to understand but your need to twist this statement every time it is made says more about you than me.

As I said above, comments relate to an extreme portion of people who believe in an ideology, not a whole religion. Unfortunately you have conflated my criticism of radicalised people with everyone who believes in that religion. I dont think I have ever said what you have suggested and that is not my belief. The comments on this post were about the Bondi killings and the types of radicalised people that would do this type of stuff to innocent civilians. I'm glad we agree this is wrong.

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[sadoldgit]

12 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Some of them are pretty disgusting 

On this at least we agree. Much like your opinion on child welfare.

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What does integrating supposed to look like.

I would have a different view of this compared to you, for example.

 

So, in your ooinion and given your definition, what is the answer ?

Edited 1 hour ago by badgerx16

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Soggy.  For him everything is because of Gaza and not the sick religious teachings.

I have never, ever said that. You are as deluded and dumb as nic.

[badgerx16]

Just now, sadoldgit said:

I have never, ever said that. You are as deluded and dumb as nic.

That's a stretch.

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Genuine question, what proportion of muslims in the UK aren't integrating ?

Why is that important?

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Jesus had liberal virtues like helping the poor and needy and the sick. He also had more conservative values, such as being pro-life and supporting the nuclear family. I think it would be difficult to pigeon hole.

I think there is a difference between being tolerant and not being clear that some radical ideologies are bad for mankind and being clear about this. I dont think anyone has tarred a whole religious group with the same brush. The comments made here are referring to the extreme sect of a religion. 

He also went apeshit and threw criminals out of the temple. 

[badgerx16]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Why is that important?

I'm just trying to gauge opinion.

I admit that in my experience I haven't personally known many muslins, but I have never thought that they were anything other than normal people, with everyday problems.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

So, in your ooinion and given your definition, what is the answer ?

Not having to bend the knee, using examples I have provided further up.

When the NHS come out (and right slammed) with a piece about championing cousin f**king...You have to wonder, where does it stop.

 

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

He also went apeshit and threw criminals out of the temple. 

Merchants and money lenders.

[Turkish]

23 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

It is indeed. I don’t know what these people hope to achieve other causing even more pain and misery. It won’t change anything other than the people’s lives who have lost family, loved ones and friends.

You are right, Netanyahu’s actions in Gaza and the West Bank have painted targets on the backs of Jew’s all around the world. There is a whole new generation who are growing up and seeing Jewish people as land grabbing genocidal aggressors thanks to the actions of his government and the IDF.

This is never going to end.

 

21 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

We don’t know the motives of the shooters yet do we? We are making assumptions due to them targeting a Jewish festival.

If they are Islamic extremists they are not helping their cause. This attack will only give the Islamophobes more fuel.

 

19 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

The levels of anti-Semitism have apparently risen since the attack on Gaza. Previous Islamic attack have mainly been against the general public. This seems that the Jewish community has been attacked specifically, but again, this is just speculation at the moment. 

 

18 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Netanyahu laying the blame at the feet of the Australian PM for supporting a Palestinian state. Yet again he completely deliberately ignores the fact that his actions in Gaza and elsewhere have led to an increase in negativity against Israel. He doesn’t get to say whether Palestine exists or not, despite his best efforts to wipe Gaza off the planet.

 

17 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

If you pay attention you would understand that there are many religious leaders on both sides of the divide who are desperately working for peace. Sadly the hawks on both sides don’t want peace. This isn’t just about aggression from Hamas/Islam, but I am sure that you understand that.

Yes they are using their religion for their own ends. What about those in Netanyahu’s government who are using their religion to displace people from their homes in the West Bank. We have been saying this for years, this is not about one side in white hats and one in black hats. Both sides believe that they are right and that their actions are justified. Both sides have warmongers and both sides have those who just want to live peacefully alongside the other. There is clearly no easy solution to this conflict but as long as you have extremists on both sides who are just intent on killing each other there will be no way out. This includes Netanyahu’s government as much as it does Hamas and other extremist Muslim groups.

 

 

4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I have never, ever said that. You are as deluded and dumb as nic.

Apart from pretty much every post you made yesterday implying it was all the fault of Netanyahu?

[sadoldgit]

38 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

But the liberals can't or won't see it. They are too worried about the optics rather than facts.

Straight out of the Trump/Farage playbook. A simplistic statement for simple minds.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

I'm just trying to gauge opinion.

I admit that in my experience I haven't personally known many muslins, but I have never thought that they were anything other than normal people, with everyday problems.

Many are. I know that surveys show that an alarming amount have some very dodgy views on homosexuals and equality of women but in fairness I'm not sure if that actually translates to open discrimination or prejudice. 

I am sure that the majority are just normal people. That doesn't mean that extremist Islam and it's teachings aren't a huge problem and that there aren't real problems from its adherents in the UK.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Merchants and money lenders.

"My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

[sadoldgit]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I'm just trying to gauge opinion.

I admit that in my experience I haven't personally known many muslins, but I have never thought that they were anything other than normal people, with everyday problems.

That’s where you get it wrong badger. Apparently, if you don’t know many Muslims personally it is wrong to assume that the vast majority of them just want to go about their lives peacefully and get on leading normal lives and getting on with their neighbours.

[sadoldgit]

9 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

That's a stretch.

He is giving it a good try though.

[sadoldgit]

15 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

As I said above, comments relate to an extreme portion of people who believe in an ideology, not a whole religion. Unfortunately you have conflated my criticism of radicals with a whole religion. I dont think I have ever said what you have suggested and that is not my belief. The comments on this post were about the Bondi killings and the types of radicalised people that would do this type of stuff to innocent civilians.

Just like you conflate liberals with the looney left? You are a prize hypocrite. You accuse others of misquoting you whilst routinely deliberately misquoting others.

[egg]

25 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So nothing to do with the perverted teachings of some within the religion itself? The reason that almost all terror attacks in the West are committed by extremist Islamists is because the religion has been persecuted since the end of WW2?

I've said that the origins is in religion, and we won't know whether the motivation is more one thing or another. Where we appear to disagree is that you feel that religion is the primary motivation of these loons, wheres I feel that's a factor but that events and persecution is probably a bigger factor. 

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Just like you conflate liberals with the looney left? You are a prize hypocrite. You accuse others of misquoting you whilst routinely deliberately misquoting others.

Have a good day.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, egg said:

I've said that the origins is in religion, and we won't know whether the motivation is more one thing or another. Where we appear to disagree is that you feel that religion is the primary motivation of these loons, wheres I feel that's a factor but that events and persecution is probably a bigger factor. 

I just think both are quite a large factor in it, and it is no coincidence that we are seeing Jewish only attacks recently. However much Israel (and more specifically the disgusting cunts in charge of the country) and Jews shouldn't be conflated, they seem to be by those perpetrating the attacks.

[sadoldgit]

Genuine question for Ralph, nic and the people who like their posts.

I am on record on this forum of calling out the attacks on 7th October and yesterday as abhorrent and unacceptable.

I have never seen a post from any of you calling out the murdering of innocent people in Gaza, or the violence against and stealing of land of innocent people in the West Bank. In fact two people regularly post laughing emojis in response.

Why is that?

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I just think both are quite a large factor in it, and it is no coincidence that we are seeing Jewish only attacks recently. However much Israel (and more specifically the disgusting cunts in charge of the country) and Jews shouldn't be conflated, they seem to be by those perpetrating the attacks.

Edit: I misread the post. 

Edited 1 hour ago by hypochondriac

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Who is conflating Muslims and attacking innocent Muslims in the West in the way that Jews are being targeted?

Sorry, what?

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Sorry, what?

Apologies I misread your post. 

[Farmer Saint]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20gl66r0wno

Mr Ryvchin says he is somehow both numb and distraught. "It's our worst fear, but it's also something that was outside the realm of possibilities."

His organisation has been warning about a spike in recorded antisemitism incidents since Hamas's 7 October 2023 attack on Israel and the subsequent war in Gaza. But, Mr Ryvchin says, authorities didn't heed the alarm.

"I know these people. They get up every morning to try to keep Australians safe. That's all they wanna do. But they failed, and they will know it better than anybody today."

[badgerx16]

38 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

"My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

"Roll on up, for my price is down!
Come on in for the best in town!
Take your pick of the finest wine!
Lay your bets on this bird of mine! 
Name your price! I’ve got everything!
Come and buy! It's all going fast!
Borrow cash on the finest terms!
Hurry now, while stocks still last!"

 

Jesus was referring to the usury of the money changers.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by badgerx16

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

"Roll on up, for my price is down!
Come on in for the best in town!
Take your pick of the finest wine!
Lay your bets on this bird of mine! 
Name your price! I’ve got everything!
Come and buy! It's all going fast!
Borrow cash on the finest terms!
Hurry now, while stocks still last!"

Andrew not famed for his accuracy. I preferred it when the pharaoh was portrayed as Elvis.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Not having to bend the knee, using examples I have provided further up.

When the NHS come out (and right slammed) with a piece about championing cousin f**king...You have to wonder, where does it stop.

 

They’re just trying to come up with a coherent strategy for the health priorities of Portsmouth tbf…

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Genuine question for Ralph, nic and the people who like their posts.

I am on record on this forum of calling out the attacks on 7th October and yesterday as abhorrent and unacceptable.

I have never seen a post from any of you calling out the murdering of innocent people in Gaza, or the violence against and stealing of land of innocent people in the West Bank. In fact two people regularly post laughing emojis in response.

Why is that?

I think you need to firstly differentiate the deaths of civilians in a war, compared to the deaths of people in a country who is not at war.

Having said that civilians should never be targets and the death of civilians in war is terrible. I don't know enough about the Israel and Palestinian conflict to know the rights and wrongs of land ownership and the detail of the conflict. If the Israeli's were targeting citizens on purpose then that is terrible and politicians should be held accountable.

My problem with having a view on this is that a lot of people profess to understand this conflict but I dont believe they do. Its incredibly complicated and has a long history. I know a lot of people who get very passionate about it but when I ask for an explanation of their knowledge and background it all goes rather quiet. The only person that I know who has been there was a nurse who was helping injured Palestinians. What she said is that a lot of the locals hate Hamas as they make up their military bases within civilian areas and facilities (e.g. hospitals) so that the Israeli's have causalities on their hands as a result of targeting military operations (the human shield tactic). So what I cant differentiate is how purposeful the targeting and deaths of civilians is, bearing in mind the relevant person is the only one who I would say has first hand experience and is relatively impartial. 

Edited 1 minute ago by Sir Ralph

[benjii]

4 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Ignoring all the people on social media and the real media, how many western leaders in response to all these attacks have highlighted the teachings and followers of extremist Islam as a problem or the problem that needs eliminating in order to reduce these attacks?

Where is the government anti extremist campaign in schools to tackle the extreme and backwards version of Islam that pervades certain parts of that society? 

Is this a joke? There has been plenty.