What Is Happening To Our Country?

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, The Wyvern said:

What about in the UK? That’s what this thread is about. And the most recent are all left wing or islamic aren’t they. 

How "recent" are the "most recent" ?

2nd August 2025, a female teenager described as a "neo-nazi white supremacist" attempted to behead a Kurdish barber in Bristol. She was jailed for over 19 years earlier this year.

2nd April 2024, a "white nationalist" motivated by "extreme racial views" stabbed an asylum seeker. He was jailed for life.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/national-news/news/updated-extreme-right-wing-terrorist-convicted-planning-gun-attack

 

And for what it's worth this is an AI summary;

"Recent UK counterterrorism data shows that extreme right-wing threats make up about 25% of the domestic terror landscape, while left-wing and anarchist attacks remain rare"

Edited Saturday at 15:59 by badgerx16

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, The Wyvern said:

What about in the UK? That’s what this thread is about. And the most recent are all left wing or islamic aren’t they. 

No, they aren’t. They really aren’t. In addition to the cases @badgerx16 posted:

https://www.birminghamdispatch.co.uk/raise-the-colours-founder-charged-with-murder/
https://www.facebook.com/LTVBirmingham/videos/police-are-investigating-after-a-man-suffered-a-broken-leg-during-confrontations/2541157639646489/

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/watch-raise-colours-thug-hits-33955049

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crmpejxlm7do

https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/news/extreme-right-wing-group-sentenced-to-29-years-for-planning-terrorist-attack-in-west-yorkshire/

I think this is the case Badger cited https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7vddrjjgr0o

All UK and all in the last 2 years. The far left one in that time is the accused in the Widecombe case and in Feb 2024 a group of anarchists were arrested for bomb plots albeit they weren’t left/right intention and more anti-capitalist.

[The Wyvern]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

No, they aren’t. They really aren’t. In addition to the cases @badgerx16 posted:

https://www.birminghamdispatch.co.uk/raise-the-colours-founder-charged-with-murder/
https://www.facebook.com/LTVBirmingham/videos/police-are-investigating-after-a-man-suffered-a-broken-leg-during-confrontations/2541157639646489/

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/watch-raise-colours-thug-hits-33955049

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crmpejxlm7do

https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/news/extreme-right-wing-group-sentenced-to-29-years-for-planning-terrorist-attack-in-west-yorkshire/

I think this is the case Badger cited https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7vddrjjgr0o

All UK and all in the last 2 years. The far left one in that time is the accused in the Widecombe case and in Feb 2024 a group of anarchists were arrested for bomb plots albeit they weren’t left/right intention and more anti-capitalist.

So still nowhere close to the Islamic threat. Glad we’ve confirmed that. 

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

So still nowhere close to the Islamic threat. Glad we’ve confirmed that. 

So you accept that they are not " all left wing or Islamic" ?

[The Wyvern]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So you accept that they are not " all left wing or Islamic" ?

🤣 That’s all you’ve got left of your argument. Ok, for your sake, we’re all in agreement that the vast majority are left wing or Islamist. Hope you’re happy now. 

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

🤣 That’s all you’ve got left of your argument. Ok, for your sake, we’re all in agreement that the vast majority are left wing or Islamist. Hope you’re happy now. 

What colour is the sky in your imaginary world ?

[aintforever]

14 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

🤣 That’s all you’ve got left of your argument. Ok, for your sake, we’re all in agreement that the vast majority are left wing or Islamist. Hope you’re happy now. 

What has Islamist violence got to do with left wing violence?

[The Wyvern]

7 minutes ago, aintforever said:

What has Islamist violence got to do with left wing violence?

Follow the thread. It was in response to Gloucester Saint’s post where he’s was comparing right wing violence to left wing and jihadists in the US, I brought it back to the UK. 

That said, it’s left-wingers that have wanted continued Muslim immigration to the UK, so you could definitely tie the two together that way, you don’t get one without the other. 

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

Follow the thread. It was in response to Gloucester Saint’s post where he’s was comparing right wing violence to left wing and jihadists in the US, I brought it back to the UK. 

That said, it’s left-wingers that have wanted continued Muslim immigration to the UK, so you could definitely tie the two together that way, you don’t get one without the other. 

Sorry, which left-wingers have wanted continued Muslim immigration to the UK? I've never seen or heard anyone say that.

[The Wyvern]

12 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Sorry, which left-wingers have wanted continued Muslim immigration to the UK? I've never seen or heard anyone say that.

So left wingers have campaigned for stopping Muslim immigration into this country? Please show evidence. 

[egg]

3 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

So left wingers have campaigned for stopping Muslim immigration into this country? Please show evidence. 

That's a different point. 

He asked "which left-wingers have wanted continued Muslim immigration to the UK?"

I'd like to know the answer to. 

 

[The Wyvern]

1 minute ago, egg said:

That's a different point. 

He asked "which left-wingers have wanted continued Muslim immigration to the UK?"

I'd like to know the answer to. 

 

It’s the same point. I’ll put it to you, do you want continued Muslim immigration into the uk, yes or no? 

[egg]

Just now, The Wyvern said:

It’s the same point. I’ll put it to you, do you want continued Muslim immigration into the uk, yes or no? 

It isn't. It's a different point. 

You seem like another poster (or login) who answers a question with an unrelated answer, or a question. 

Farmers question remains unanswered. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, The Wyvern said:

So still nowhere close to the Islamic threat. Glad we’ve confirmed that. 

Correct.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, The Wyvern said:

🤣 Ok, for your sake, we’re all in agreement that the vast majority are far right wing or Islamist. Hope you’re happy now. 

Corrected to align with the actual home office and police data.

[Gloucester Saint]

14 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

It’s the same point. I’ll put it to you, do you want continued Muslim immigration into the uk, yes or no? 

Depends on who it is. Undocumented people via the back of trucks and boats - no. Clearly. No-one bar a few nutters in the Greens and Corbyn’s stump wants that.

If it’s a cancer scientist or engineer from Gaza carrying on their career, publishing, training our apprentices and PhD students then taking that professional development to help rebuild Gaza and due diligence can be feasibly done by say British Council then case by case for me. Ditto verifiable Afghans who fought alongside allied troops and who have a death sentence over their heads by the Taliban. 

Edited Saturday at 18:53 by Gloucester Saint

[Farmer Saint]

46 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

So left wingers have campaigned for stopping Muslim immigration into this country? Please show evidence. 

Eh? That's some funny logic. Prove that they have please, or forever hold your peace.

[The Wyvern]

13 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Eh? That's some funny logic. Prove that they have please, or forever hold your peace.

So no evidence whatsoever. Thought so. 

[The Wyvern]

41 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Depends on who it is. Undocumented people via the back of trucks and boats - no. Clearly. No-one bar a few nutters in the Greens and Corbyn’s stump wants that.

If it’s a cancer scientist or engineer from Gaza carrying on their career, publishing, training our apprentices and PhD students then taking that professional development to help rebuild Gaza and due diligence can be feasibly done by say British Council then case by case for me. Ditto verifiable Afghans who fought alongside allied troops and who have a death sentence over their heads by the Taliban. 

Unfortunately that’s not the choice though is it. They don’t come in waving a sign saying “we’re the terrorist ones, better not let us in.” Most terrorists haven’t come from undocumented boat arrivals have they. 

[The Kraken]

Christ, another terrified soul who needs to press the leftie button before making any point.

Warm up the ignore feature.

[egg]

Just now, The Kraken said:

Christ, another terrified soul who needs to press the leftie button before making any point.

Warm up the ignore feature.

Isn't he's one of the others with a new name? 

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Isn't he's one of the others with a new name? 

Who knows, its the same predictably tired approach for sure, if it’s one guy or multiple people it doesn’t really make much difference to me.

[Farmer Saint]

22 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

So no evidence whatsoever. Thought so. 

Excellent stuff, bravo. Looks like East Stand Nic is back, and he's thicker than ever.

[The Wyvern]

36 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Christ, another terrified soul who needs to press the leftie button before making any point.

Warm up the ignore feature.

 

21 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Excellent stuff, bravo. Looks like East Stand Nic is back, and he's thicker than ever.

The classic response when you’re completely devoid of a coherent argument or answer. I’ll leave you to wallow in your own frustrations. 

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

 

The classic response when you’re completely devoid of a coherent argument or answer.

No room for anybody else to take that position, you seem to have already claimed permanent possession.

[Turkish]

49 minutes ago, egg said:

Isn't he's one of the others with a new name? 

 

 

[The Kraken]

He surely isn’t he. 

[The Kraken]

September 2025 login. But no doubt had been a lurker for years.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

September 2025 login. But no doubt had been a lurker for years.

Aren’t they always. Be interested to see when he does his weekly shop. Most likely Sunday mornings at Tesco.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, The Wyvern said:

Unfortunately that’s not the choice though is it. They don’t come in waving a sign saying “we’re the terrorist ones, better not let us in.” Most terrorists haven’t come from undocumented boat arrivals have they. 

Three of them arrested last week did, from Iran in the early 2020s. There’s never a guarantee - we have home grown loons such as David Copeland or the guy charged with Ann Widdecombe - but I’m more comfortable with people who can be verified via due diligence.

So no, I don’t support a blanket ban on all Muslim entries into the UK.

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Aren’t they always. Be interested to see when he does his weekly shop. Most likely Sunday mornings at Tesco.

St Helens Tesco is a banger of a store tbf.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

St Helens Tesco is a banger of a store tbf.

The Tesco in Parcfforestfach, Swansea is simply enormous. 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

St Helens Tesco is a banger of a store tbf.

It is, although it’s a long commute after doing road works all week with Big Chris in the Yeovil area 

Edited Saturday at 20:46 by Turkish

[Farmer Saint]

49 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

 

The classic response when you’re completely devoid of a coherent argument or answer. I’ll leave you to wallow in your own frustrations. 

I asked you a question. You couldn't answer it. Classic right winger.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

I asked you a question. You couldn't answer it. Classic right winger.

I once asked Bakyro Sako if he’d ever join saints, he didn’t answer. Typical right winger 

[Osvaldorama]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I asked you a question. You couldn't answer it. Classic right winger.

[Mixedkebab]

3 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Three of them arrested last week did, from Iran in the early 2020s. There’s never a guarantee - we have home grown loons such as David Copeland or the guy charged with Ann Widdecombe - but I’m more comfortable with people who can be verified via due diligence.

So no, I don’t support a blanket ban on all Muslim entries into the UK.

If we are doing a tally

Total Fatalities and Injuries in Great Britain (2001–2026)

Ideological GroupFatalitiesEstimated InjuriesMajor Contributing Incidents

Islamist Extremism89~2,350+7/7 London Bombings: 52 deaths, ~700+ injured.
Manchester Arena: 22 deaths, 1,000+ injured (physical/psychological).
London Bridge (2017): 8 deaths, 48 injured.
Westminster Bridge: 5 deaths, 50+ injured.

Extreme Right-Wing6~25+Finsbury Park Mosque: 1 death, 11 injured.
Plymouth/Standalone incidents: 5 deaths, ~10+ injured.
(Note: Plots often target individuals or smaller groups).

Left-Wing / Anarchist00No completed mass-casualty or injury-causing attacks.

Other / Unclassified10Liverpool Women's Hospital (2021): 1 death (perpetrator injured, no bystander fatalities).

 

so yes right wing cunts  infinitely more dangerous than left wing cunts according to stats but about 100 times less dangerous than Islamic terrorist cunts 

Edited yesterday at 00:34 by Mixedkebab

[whelk]

MI5 stop loads of would-be Islamic terror attacks too. The issue hasn’t gone away.

It is sometimes just semantics but I feel I know what terrorism is without needing a will they/wont they officially define.

[Gloucester Saint]

7 hours ago, Mixedkebab said:

If we are doing a tally

Total Fatalities and Injuries in Great Britain (2001–2026)

Ideological GroupFatalitiesEstimated InjuriesMajor Contributing Incidents

Islamist Extremism89~2,350+7/7 London Bombings: 52 deaths, ~700+ injured.
Manchester Arena: 22 deaths, 1,000+ injured (physical/psychological).
London Bridge (2017): 8 deaths, 48 injured.
Westminster Bridge: 5 deaths, 50+ injured.

Extreme Right-Wing6~25+Finsbury Park Mosque: 1 death, 11 injured.
Plymouth/Standalone incidents: 5 deaths, ~10+ injured.
(Note: Plots often target individuals or smaller groups).

Left-Wing / Anarchist00No completed mass-casualty or injury-causing attacks.

Other / Unclassified10Liverpool Women's Hospital (2021): 1 death (perpetrator injured, no bystander fatalities).

 

so yes right wing cunts  infinitely more dangerous than left wing cunts according to stats but about 100 times less dangerous than Islamic terrorist cunts 

In a nutshell, we agree on the facts, Islamic terror still more than right/left combined.

[tdmickey3]

18 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

What colour is the sky in your imaginary world ?

Gammon pink

[Farmer Saint]

19 hours ago, Turkish said:

I once asked Bakyro Sako if he’d ever join saints, he didn’t answer. Typical right winger 

Badum, ching.

[Osvaldorama]

Useful tool here, created by the taxpayers alliance, allows you to check the benefits and welfare bill costs by area:

 

https://benefitsdata.uk/mybill

Some of the data is absolutely shocking. Taxpayers are being completely fleeced. 

[whelk]

12 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Useful tool here, created by the taxpayers alliance, allows you to check the benefits and welfare bill costs by area:

 

https://benefitsdata.uk/mybill

Some of the data is absolutely shocking. Taxpayers are being completely fleeced. 

Taxpayers Alliance - lol you plum

[Osvaldorama]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

Taxpayers Alliance - lol you plum

I’m guessing you’re ok with the welfare bill going up 20-30% per annum in some places then?

[whelk]

Just now, Osvaldorama said:

I’m guessing you’re ok with the welfare bill going up 20-30% per annum in some places then?

Just highlights your logic that make that deduction.

I trust the Taxpayers Alliance as much as I’d trust a Hamas think tank with Corbyn as chair putting out data on the IDF

[Osvaldorama]

58 minutes ago, whelk said:

Just highlights your logic that make that deduction.

I trust the Taxpayers Alliance as much as I’d trust a Hamas think tank with Corbyn as chair putting out data on the IDF

Despite the fact the tool pulls from the governments official data. Nice. 

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Despite the fact the tool pulls from the governments official data. Nice. 

The raw data is the Government's, the interpretation and presentation is through the lens of a biased right wing pressure group.

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The raw data is the Government's, the interpretation and presentation is through the lens of a biased right wing pressure group.

I think he's drunk or high. He's even more ridiculous than normal.