Israel

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g4djgdyk2o

".....on this occasion, Yehuda Shimon, a lawyer with an organisation that represents Israelis arrested for violence against Palestinians, agreed to speak."

"He told me that attacks on Palestinian villages last weekend were justified as revenge for the killing of the outpost's security guard.

"I think now, after they killed one Israeli, we need to kill all the people in Tal and Sarra, even Jit and Farata," he said, naming the Palestinian villages closest to the outpost.

I put it to him that he was equating one Jewish life with hundreds or even thousands of Palestinian lives.

"No," he said, "millions. One Jewish life, it's 10 million [Palestinians]."

Challenged on the racism of his statement, he did not deny it.

"Yes, I know," he replied. "But this is the truth, because God chose us [and] because of this you are jealous.","

 

Yes HAMAS need to be removed as a terrorist force, but until a way is found to deal with people like this there cannot be a lasting peace in the Middle East. 

I was just going to post it. I was just coming up with a SaintsWeb Sentence to show by linking to this dreadful loon's quotes, I wasn't endorsing it.

[Gloucester Saint]

4 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I was just going to post it. I was just coming up with a SaintsWeb Sentence to show by linking to this dreadful loon's quotes, I wasn't endorsing it.

They’re revolting and a direct by-product of having a white supremacist government in the White House. One hopes once Trump is boxed in after November that Israel’s security and financial support is under review until their electorate pull their finger out and jettison the two Mad Bens. I doubt the Democrats have the bollocks to challenge them either sadly. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

They’re revolting and a direct by-product of having a white supremacist government in the White House. One hopes once Trump is boxed in after November that Israel’s security and financial support is under review until their electorate pull their finger out and jettison the two Mad Bens. I doubt the Democrats have the bollocks to challenge them either sadly. 

That extreme of Israel realise that this has turned out to be their best chance to essentially ethnically cleanse the area of Palestinians. 

Whether they justify it through revenge for conflicts generated through their encroaching settlements, revenge for the Hamas attacks, general racism or using a book. Whether those reasons are religious or for self enrichment through property grabs.

They must be so frustrated that their government and the US were not extreme enough to remove Palestinians altogether, or have whoever remained surrender everything they own.

They must look with disappointment at all those historic conflicts with one clear winner, and a wiped out or subservient loser.

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It's interesting to note that those previously supportive of Israel on here have gone quiet. I hope that means that they now acknowledge that the behaviour of the IDF (in Gaza, West Bank, and Lebanon) is and has been an utter disgrace. 

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3 settlements now proposed in Gaza. No surprise. 

https://aje.news/rlfmko?update=4823185

 

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, egg said:

3 settlements now proposed in Gaza. No surprise. 

https://aje.news/rlfmko?update=4823185

 

Which one is Trump building?

[sadoldgit]

I got hammered by the usual suspects for saying that the IDF killed many of their own on 7th October. It has now been admitted.

 

Edited August 3 by sadoldgit

[badgerx16]

34 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I got hammered by the usual suspects for saying that the IDF killed many of their own on 7th October. It has now been admitted.

 

It has not "now been admitted". Thisi is old news. The interview in which he said this was in early February 2025.

Edited August 3 by badgerx16

[whelk]

No you didn’t. It was your rabid anti-semitic views desperate to give equivalence and/or deflection to a barbaric murderous Hamas attack on civilians.

[Weston Super Saint]

7 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I got hammered by the usual suspects for saying that the IDF killed many of their own on 7th October. It has now been admitted.

 

Your self imposed, much trumpeted sabattical from the Lounge didn't last long then.

It's almost like you can't resist.

[whelk]

On 01/08/2026 at 17:26, egg said:

It's interesting to note that those previously supportive of Israel on here have gone quiet. I hope that means that they now acknowledge that the behaviour of the IDF (in Gaza, West Bank, and Lebanon) is and has been an utter disgrace. 

I guess I am counted as one of these? If it helps, regarding the  settlers, I wish the IDF would apply the same tactics to them ie shoot the fucking cunts.

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1 hour ago, whelk said:

I guess I am counted as one of these? If it helps, regarding the  settlers, I wish the IDF would apply the same tactics to them ie shoot the fucking cunts.

I'm not sure you were the strongest Whelk. Duck, in particular, has/had this belief that the Israelis are a peaceful lot, and that all would be well if their neighbours were more tolerant of them. Hypo got upset when I, rightly, described him as naive on the issue.

On the wider issue, we've not yet seen the tip of the iceberg.

[badgerx16]

Netanyahu has described the UK as "...the Islamic republic of Great Britain", and will be the first nuclear armed Islamic republic. This is of course incorrect, the first was Pakistan.

Edited August 14 by badgerx16

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Now turning up the heat in Syria. Chunks of the West occupied (plus Golan), attacks to the north, coupled with veiled threats to Turkey which Bibi has said is due to "security", but basically means Turkey will stop them doing what they want. 

So Gaza destroyed and occupied, the west bank being eroded daily, more settlements promised, southern Lebanon smashed up and occupied, western Syria occupied, and now teeing up for a scrap with Turkey. 

Fair play to Turkey for doing more than strongly worded letters, but the west beed to do more about this expansionism and behaviour. 

[badgerx16]

25 minutes ago, egg said:

Now turning up the heat in Syria. Chunks of the West occupied (plus Golan), attacks to the north, coupled with veiled threats to Turkey which Bibi has said is due to "security", but basically means Turkey will stop them doing what they want. 

So Gaza destroyed and occupied, the west bank being eroded daily, more settlements promised, southern Lebanon smashed up and occupied, western Syria occupied, and now teeing up for a scrap with Turkey. 

Fair play to Turkey for doing more than strongly worded letters, but the west beed to do more about this expansionism and behaviour. 

Article 5 of lthe NATO charter ?

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2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Article 5 of lthe NATO charter ?

It'll be a test for sure. I suspect the line will be that Turkey were the aggressor, so article 5 shouldn't apply, or some nonsense. 

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Now turning up the heat in Syria. Chunks of the West occupied (plus Golan), attacks to the north, coupled with veiled threats to Turkey which Bibi has said is due to "security", but basically means Turkey will stop them doing what they want. 

So Gaza destroyed and occupied, the west bank being eroded daily, more settlements promised, southern Lebanon smashed up and occupied, western Syria occupied, and now teeing up for a scrap with Turkey. 

Fair play to Turkey for doing more than strongly worded letters, but the west beed to do more about this expansionism and behaviour. 

I don't think picking on Turkey is a wise thing to do. They have a fair old army, and it is very technically advanced. They are not Iran mark 2.

Oh, and obviously they're part of NATO.

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18 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think picking on Turkey is a wise thing to do. They have a fair old army, and it is very technically advanced. They are not Iran mark 2.

Oh, and obviously they're part of NATO.

Israel could attack any NATO country and article 5 wouldn't get invoked, and Turkey wouldn't have entered into the middle east defence pact if they had confidence in NATO article 5 support. 

Edited August 21 by egg

[Gloucester Saint]

I’ve always stayed well out of some of the Israel/Palestinian/Occupation threads as Ive never liked the Palestinian alignment with Hamas and Hezbollah (ergo Iran) but Israel’s behaviour is increasingly despicable https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6482r6yl4o

If their electorate won’t bin off their hard right government when the opportunity arises then I think it’s time to stop selling weapons there and giving them any assistance. They’re level pegging these days with the IRGC, Putin, and MAGA e.g. vile.

Edited 6 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I’ve always stayed well out of some of the Israel/Palestinian/Occupation threads as Ive never liked the Palestinian alignment with Hamas and Hezbollah (ergo Iran) but Israel’s behaviour is increasingly despicable https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6482r6yl4o

If their electorate won’t bin off their hard right government when the opportunity arises then I think it’s time to stop selling weapons there and giving them any assistance. They’re level pegging these days with the IRGC, Putin, and MAGA e.g. vile.

Netanyahu encouraged the Hamas regime in Gaza, including permitting the transfer of finance from Qatar, so as to ensure a united Palestinian politicsl organisation between Gaza and the West Bank would not come into being.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-top-general-visited-qatar-begged-it-to-pay-hamas-liberman-says/

 

It's as if he was happy to risk a major attack, knowing it would give him the excuse he needed to unleash armageddon.

Edited 5 hours ago by badgerx16

[Gloucester Saint]

35 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Netanyahu encouraged the Hamas regime in Gaza, including permitting the transfer of finance from Qatar, so as to ensure a united Palestinian politicsl organisation between Gaza and the West Bank would not come into being.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-top-general-visited-qatar-begged-it-to-pay-hamas-liberman-says/

 

It's as if he was happy to risk a major attack, knowing it would give him the excuse he needed to unleash armageddon.

Him and Ben Givr are warts on the arsehole of humanity, same as Trump, Putin, Iran and proxies, North Korea etc. 

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5 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Him and Ben Givr are warts on the arsehole of humanity, same as Trump, Putin, Iran and proxies, North Korea etc. 

Ben Give is more sinister than any of those. His latest:

"Far-right Israeli minister sets out plan to forcibly remove Palestinians from Gaza

Far-right Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir has set out a plan to forcibly remove Palestinians from Gaza and send them abroad.

Speaking in the run-up to closely contested Israeli elections next month, Ben-Gvir said the plan aims to see 250,000 Palestinians from the besieged enclave removed in the first year, followed by roughly 2 million residents over the next six years.

“It’s realistic,” Ben-Gvir said, claiming there are countries “ready” to take them in without naming which ones.

Under the Geneva Conventions, the forced displacement of civilians in occupied territory is considered a war crime".

The root of the middle eastern issue is Israel, it's wish for expansion, and absolute refusal of a Palestinian state. 

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, egg said:

Ben Give is more sinister than any of those. His latest:

"Far-right Israeli minister sets out plan to forcibly remove Palestinians from Gaza

Far-right Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir has set out a plan to forcibly remove Palestinians from Gaza and send them abroad.

Speaking in the run-up to closely contested Israeli elections next month, Ben-Gvir said the plan aims to see 250,000 Palestinians from the besieged enclave removed in the first year, followed by roughly 2 million residents over the next six years.

“It’s realistic,” Ben-Gvir said, claiming there are countries “ready” to take them in without naming which ones.

Under the Geneva Conventions, the forced displacement of civilians in occupied territory is considered a war crime".

The root of the middle eastern issue is Israel, it's wish for expansion, and absolute refusal of a Palestinian state. 

Yep, the phrase ‘ethnic cleansing’ springs to mind.

Until Trump gets stymied in the new year and turns his attention to Trump co asset stripping their country at a much faster rate, one thing we can do as a country is cut off any Zionist political funding from the UK, either directly to the current Israeli government and/or to American activists. 

If we can make Palestinian Action proscribed, no reason not to crack down on extremism on the other side.

If the EU follows suit, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was discussed at today’s Anglo-Franco summit, then Ben Givr and at least know what the civilised west think of them. Obviously the main majority comes from the US NE Seaboard, but I can’t imagine the Democrat facing donors are too happy with the current government. If you go too far even for Trump and he considers they’re nutcases….

Edited 4 hours ago by Gloucester Saint