Hampshire CCC 2025

[Weston Saint]

1 hour ago, Andrew Watson said:

Somerset get just a 4 point deduction for a game that lasted  for  just 156 overs and during which 35 wickets fell. Hampshire have a game which lasts 209 overs for 31 wickets and the runs per wicket were similar and yet  Somerset  get 4 points suspended and a 4 point deduction,we get an 8 point deduction, why ? 

Hampshire had a previous poor pitch in last 24 months so got 8 point deduction, which is the normal. They are also now on a suspended 24 point deduction for any further offence during 2026. Believe it or not Somerset was first offence for last 24 months so got 4 of the 8 points deducted suspended.  

Case Outcome: Hampshire CCC

Case outcome: Somerset CCC

[Andrew Watson]

Thanks Ron.

[Picard]

The women have lost their final. Just need Hants relegation for a full house.

[Window Cleaner]

Didn't see the game on Saturday but batting first in a rain reduced limited overs game rarely leads to success.

Seems to be the same problem we've had all season, we're a decent bowler short for one reason or another.

As I said during the first game actually played of the season, my preferred dose of Wheal is absolutely none whatsoever. A very undisciplined bowler, short and wide most of the time. He should be cut loose to go and play for Scotland second XI or something.

As far as the point's deduction is concerned, well we've got previous as they say in some circles. I think we may need to reassess the number of matches played at the Utilita. There are obviously far too many for a quality wicket each time. 

[Dusic]

On 08/07/2025 at 10:46, stevegrant said:

No idea if it'll be any good and I don't know Rich Edwards so have no skin in the game here, but just seen that a new subscription-based Hampshire cricket news service has just launched: https://thehawk.counterpress.media/

£5 a month, will be interesting to see how it goes. He's certainly right when he says that coverage of the domestic game is pretty thin on the ground these days so there's definitely space for something like this if it's done well.

Does anyone subscribe to this and have any feedback? He certainly seems to put out quite a lot of content and is close to the club/squad.

The club coverage is pretty limited apart from the X updates during matches.

Edited September 22 by Dusic

[John B]

8 hours ago, Window Cleaner said:

Didn't see the game on Saturday but batting first in a rain reduced limited overs game rarely leads to success.

Seems to be the same problem we've had all season, we're a decent bowler short for one reason or another.

As I said during the first game actually played of the season, my preferred dose of Wheal is absolutely none whatsoever. A very undisciplined bowler, short and wide most of the time. He should be cut loose to go and play for Scotland second XI or something.

As far as the point's deduction is concerned, well we've got previous as they say in some circles. I think we may need to reassess the number of matches played at the Utilita. There are obviously far too many for a quality wicket each time. 

We do not seem to have any young seam bowlers who are regularly particularly accurate 

[Picard]

Looking like a points deduction wicket. (Rob White who is officiating today was at Hants two previous points deduction matches.)

[Window Cleaner]

3 hours ago, Picard said:

Looking like a points deduction wicket. (Rob White who is officiating today was at Hants two previous points deduction matches.)

Doubt it, not our fault if Surrey couldn't be arsed to bat correctly, they chose to bat first. Quite a good start for us, Gubbins has just been bowled though. Lawrence's action should be banned for impersonating a carnaval nut job !!

[John B]

3 hours ago, Window Cleaner said:

Doubt it, not our fault if Surrey couldn't be arsed to bat correctly, 

Or turn up with a decent team

[Gloucester Saint]

7 hours ago, Picard said:

Looking like a points deduction wicket. (Rob White who is officiating today was at Hants two previous points deduction matches.)

Hants batted fine on it though. Surrey have been flaky with the bat recently as Notts found. 

[Dark Munster]

Can someone explain what is the criteria for a points deduction for a "poor wicket"? I can see if no teams gets above 150, but for the Sussex match they almost made it to 300 in their first innings, and had a player make a century.

[John B]

8 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Can someone explain what is the criteria for a points deduction for a "poor wicket"? I can see if no teams gets above 150, but for the Sussex match they almost made it to 300 in their first innings, and had a player make a century.

Ask Nick Gubbens I do not think he was happy about his dismissal

[Lighthouse]

So after starting the day in an excellent position, we’re 11-3 in the first three overs…

[Dusic]

Will certainly be a result then! Next 2 hours of play will probably decide the game...

[Lighthouse]

We might not even get a batting point at this rate. Will probably take a lead of around 100 into the second half but f**k me we should have been out of sight by tea today.

[Dark Munster]

248 all out. Zero batting points. That could be the difference between staying up and going down. 

[Andrew Watson]

Washington apart, what a spineless crock of ----. Deserve to go down.

[badgerx16]

34 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

248 all out. Zero batting points. That could be the difference between staying up and going down. 

I think it's as simple as we win, we stay up. Can Surrey bat as poorly for a second time ?

[Dark Munster]

25 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I think it's as simple as we win, we stay up. Can Surrey bat as poorly for a second time ?

A win was always going to be enough. I just had a look at the table. Maybe the dropped batting point doesn’t matter. If Hants and Durham both draw (or lose) then they both have the same number of points and wins (assuming Durham get 3 bowling points), but Hants finish above them on fewer losses I think.

So I think a draw is probably enough. If so, Hants finish above Durham if they draw or lose, and finish above Yorkshire if Durham wins (and Yorkshire gets less than 400 in their first innings.)

Edited September 25 by Dark Munster

[Lighthouse]

So 94-7 this morning then. Pathetic, when it really mattered most.

[Dusic]

Wouldn't fancy a chase of anything over 150 really. They have a nice partnership going for now...

Its not going to be a draw so its win to stay up or lose and go down.

[Andrew Watson]

Spot on Lighthouse,they really are a pathetic batting side. 

[Lighthouse]

A big partnership this, if we can get these two out for a lead of less than 100, we might be in with a decent chance.

[Andrew Watson]

Unless we break this partnership tonight or first thing in the morning we could be looking straight down the barrel and lets not forget that right now a 17 year old is showing our batsman what can be done on this wicket.

If we do go down it is squarely on the batsmens shoulders ,with a disgraceful 12 batting points all season and for not properly replacing Vince, heads should roll.

[Window Cleaner]

2 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

Spot on Lighthouse,they really are a pathetic batting side. 

With Brown batting at 5 instead of his correct place at 7 or 8 it just goes to show how short of real middle order batters we are. Because the great hopes like Prest just haven't developed correctly. Too many all rounders really. Nothing much for our spinners on this track today.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Window Cleaner said:

With Brown batting at 5 instead of his correct place at 7 or 8 it just goes to show how short of real middle order batters we are. Because the great hopes like Prest just haven't developed correctly. Too many all rounders really. Nothing much for our spinners on this track today.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/county-championship-division-one-2025-16856?team=1102
 

Some ropey looking stats in all of this. Middleton, Orr, Stoneman, Prest, Gubbins, Hampton and Albert all averaging under 30. So did Fuller but at least he can claim to be an allrounder. Time to stop letting Prest have a bowl too, one wicket off 49 overs and he’s not even economical on the RR.

[Hodgey]

Meanwhile congrats Abbas - he wins the title with Notts - good move for him !

To win this we are going to have to actually bat like a div 1 team in what looks like a tricky wicket - can’t see it myself but maybe Surrey will phone it in now it’s a dead rubber

[Andrew Watson]

In fairness to Brown WC, hIs average is decent, as is Dawsons,it is Orr [ an excuse with injuries perhaps ] Middleton, Stoneman, Gubbins and Prest who have all been woeful and not up to standard.

[Window Cleaner]

9 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

In fairness to Brown WC, hIs average is decent, as is Dawsons,it is Orr [ an excuse with injuries perhaps ] Middleton, Stoneman, Gubbins and Prest who have all been woeful and not up to standard.

Averages, like all statistics, can be deceptive. He's only scored 753 runs in 22 innings but with 5 no's it boosts his average. When you take all the innings into account his average is a bit above 34, not bad in such but 753 runs including ac 165 not out (I think) brings him back to 588 runs from 21 innings, so an average of 28, nowhere near good enough for a high-order batter. Mind you the others are no better.

Our batting is a disaster zone and 12 bonus points from 14 just goes to prove that.

[Lighthouse]

Crucial start to the day getting those two out. Could be the difference between chasing 250 and 150, and I wouldn’t bet on us doing either.

[Window Cleaner]

So, 181 to get.  Orr just has to stop following balls down the leg side. It's a new tactic, bowling across left-handers and it works a treat with him. Nearly got him again in the first over.

[Gloucester Saint]

29 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said:

So, 181 to get.  Orr just has to stop following balls down the leg side. It's a new tactic, bowling across left-handers and it works a treat with him. Nearly got him again in the first over.

Pitch playing reasonably and we bat down to 9. Their bowling was nothing special but some weak dicks playing T20 in the middle order. Won’t be easy but ought to be able to get it.

[Andrew Watson]

Middleton out to a hoik to cow corner and Gubbins out playing back to a straight ball,putting the pressure back on a bit,really poor batting in the circumstances,both are very ordinary in red ball cricket.

[Andrew Watson]

Albert and Brown gone now,this is getting desperate especially as Sundar has injured the webbing between his thumb and fore finger. We have by and large a top order of white ball batters, who are not up to playing red ball cricket.

[31cc]

Orr out now, bowled trying a sweep shot. 98/5. Still there's always Saints to cheer us up....  💀

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, 31cc said:

Orr out now, bowled trying a sweep shot. 98/5. Still there's always Saints to cheer us up....  💀

Some stupid shots, wicket ok if you play straight and forward press. In the balance now and a lot resting on Liam Dawson. 

[Andrew Watson]

Orr out for a very good 48,although he was bowled around his legs. Yes there is turn,but we have lost 5 for 35 since Middleton needlessly threw his wicket away. Dawson now out and relegation on its way,what a totally spineless effort and well done again to the club for going for the cheep Vince option.

Very,very upset and angry.

[Gloucester Saint]

8 minutes ago, Andrew Watson said:

Orr out for a very good 48,although he was bowled around his legs. Yes there is turn,but we have lost 5 for 35 since Middleton needlessly threw his wicket away. Dawson now out and relegation on its way,what a totally spineless effort and well done again to the club for going for the cheep Vince option.

Very,very upset and angry.

No point Andrew, it’ll cost the new owners more money to rebuild the batting but they’ll want to back whoever the new coach is. Let’s hope unlike SR they actually learn from their mistakes. 

[Andrew Watson]

Giving Middleton a new contract is not the start of the  answer GS,our top 4  [ Still hope Orr comes good ] is patently not good enough for red ball cricket. It all comes back to taking a misguided gamble with Stoneman to replace Vince. 12 batting bonus points from 70 is beyond disgraceful. I hope the Indian owners are as upset as the lifelong fans.

If a miracle is achieved,do we really deserve to stay up ?

[Andrew Watson]

Sundar and game now gone,cannot blame a guy who could barely hold the bat.

[Lighthouse]

121/8. All done, pathetic.

[Andrew Watson]

I know he faced little spin but their number 11 batted for 50 minutes,that is longer than 6 of our batters combined time at the crease.

[Dusic]

Just have to hope that GMR place full trust in Giles White for a rebuild...

[badgerx16]

Bunch of chokers. Good job you can't be relegated from Div2.

[John B]

I see Tilak Varma is playing for India in the Asia Cup Final

[Gloucester Saint]

Appreciated Sundar has hurt his hand but 9 and 10 just needed to stay with Fuller who has his eye in and scores quickly. Cricketing basics.

[Lighthouse]

Bad light, as if it couldn’t get more ignominious, we’re all going to have to come back in the morning and finish this farce.

[Window Cleaner]

26 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Bad light, as if it couldn’t get more ignominious, we’re all going to have to come back in the morning and finish this farce.

We can only hope for a sudden alteration in the weather, some continual drizzle punctuated by a tropical storm or two.

Seriously though this is down to the senior players, Gubbins,Brown and Dawson. We had a start and then the 3 of them contributed virtually nothing. As for the rest, we just proved once more that we just cannot handle good bowling, be it pace or spin. That's a coaching problem and to my advice they should all follow Birrell out of the door.

[Window Cleaner]

34 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Appreciated Sundar has hurt his hand but 9 and 10 just needed to stay with Fuller who has his eye in and scores quickly. Cricketing basics.

Barker might have been a better option than Currie. Perhaps he just didn't fancy it, not looked great since he came back. 

[Window Cleaner]

2 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

Middleton out to a hoik to cow corner and Gubbins out playing back to a straight ball,putting the pressure back on a bit,really poor batting in the circumstances,both are very ordinary in red ball cricket.

That's the difference between red ball and limited overs cricket. If a bowler has got his hooks into you he can just keep bowling over after over until you do something stupid rather than be taken off to bowl later as in the limited overs stuff.