The Burnham Years - Can the new(ish) broom sweep clean?

[Gloucester Saint]

47 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I don't think I've ever seen a more obvious case of the Dunning Kruger effect than in this thread today. 

The total lack of self-awareness is truly something to behold.

Even Freddie Kruger would have been ashamed by today’s pronouncements. 

[Weston Super Saint]

20 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Thread Crossover!

Presumably,  not everyone crossing the channel we leave to drown, will actually drown. Some will make it, giving us quite a lot of dinghies...lots of apparently stealing, surplus to requirements old people, and a large body of water to push them all out into.

Just booking a seat for those that want impoverished old people, because one day it may be them. 🙂
 

You're ignoring survival of the fittest!

Those are exactly the immigrants we want. They've already proved they're winners so will be top bracket tax payers and net contributors.

Come on, start thinking exponentially!!

[Osvaldorama]

 

LOL. I wondered how David Brent was going to U-turn on all his empty promises. 
 

I guess now we know. Here come more tax rises. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

51 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

You're ignoring survival of the fittest!

Those are exactly the immigrants we want. They've already proved they're winners so will be top bracket tax payers and net contributors.

Come on, start thinking exponentially!!

I took it for granted that the survivors would be embraced into our society regardless of extremist views, criminal convictions and whether or not they had read a pamphlet gently pointing out that rape is bad.

That they've hands on experience of sea crossings, and their age, fast tracks them into our navy for a start. They can go out, flip over the boats all the pensioners have fallen off, and return them. Either for more pensioners, or as naval vessels to send to war against Argentina.

Much has been made of these men invading our town centres. Excellent. Because they are just the people to eliminate our feckless, balaclava wearing youth. Obviously, for cultural reasons, all immigrants can wear balaclavas. But are free to fight and expose intimidating thuggery blighting our nation. This experience also fast tracks them into the police; an organisation that also never bothered with pamphlet reading.

In just a couple of posts, we've eliminated poor pensioners; solved armed forces recruitment; increased our defence capability; given rape crisis centres plenty of work; removed urban crime and boosted our law enforcement. 🙂

 

Edited yesterday at 17:35 by Holmes_and_Watson

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

LOL. I wondered how David Brent was going to U-turn on all his empty promises. 
 

I guess now we know. Here come more tax rises. 

More stuff to shit yourself about? Maybe up and leave? You’ve lost your country so what’s left?

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I took it for granted that the survivors would be embraced into our society regardless of extremist views, criminal convictions and whether or not they had read a pamphlet gently pointing out that rape is bad.

That they've hands on experience of sea crossings, and their age, fast tracks them into our navy for a start. They can go out, flip over the boats all the pensioners have fallen off, and return them. Either for more pensioners, or as naval vessels to send to war against Argentina.

Much has been made of these men invading our town centres. Excellent. Because they are just the people to eliminate our feckless, balaclava wearing youth. Obviously, for cultural reasons, all immigrants can wear balaclavas. But are free to fight and expose intimidating thuggery blighting our nation. This experience also fast tracks them into the police; an organisation that also never bothered with pamphlet reading.

In just a couple of posts, we've eliminated poor pensioners; solved armed forces recruitment; increased our defence capability; given rape crisis centres plenty of work; removed urban crime and boosted our law enforcement. 🙂

 

I think there is a case for making them all helps build prisons, hose down the pavements, clear graffiti and plant flowerbeds and maintain them.

[Weston Super Saint]

25 minutes ago, whelk said:

I think there is a case for making them all helps build prisons, hose down the pavements, clear graffiti and plant flowerbeds and maintain them.

Flowerbeds? Flowerbeds? We shouldn't be encouraging these hoodlums to cultivate weeds.

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

More stuff to shit yourself about? Maybe up and leave? You’ve lost your country so what’s left?

I do find it exceptionally funny that a bunch of you Labour voting fannies throw insults at me for saying that the government have no idea what they’re doing financially. 
 

Now they’ve just openly admitted it. Expect more tax rises and even higher prices

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

LOL. I wondered how David Brent was going to U-turn on all his empty promises. 
 

I guess now we know. Here come more tax rises. 

Hang on. Wasn't that exactly what Starmer and co said, when they got in? We had that financial black hole. Partly because of where we were, partly because the outgoing lot made some commitments, and partly because the incoming lot gave pay rises, and then pretended it was part of what was left to them.

It's one thing to see some surprises as an opposition party coming in. But as a handover in your own party?

Perhaps this is a reason for the divide between backbenchers and those with the most senior posts. PM and chancellor know things that the rest of the party have no idea about. Also that defence minister isn't in on it, hence Healey's 3% about turn.

I think a lot of the deputies were just the same as before. They must be spending a lot of time clearing the blame from their areas. I guess 14 years of Conservatives and Burnham's we've even wrong for 40 years is going to be doing some more lifting.

[Sir Ralph]

2 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Hang on. Wasn't that exactly what Starmer and co said, when they got in? We had that financial black hole. Partly because of where we were, partly because the outgoing lot made some commitments, and partly because the incoming lot gave pay rises, and then pretended it was part of what was left to them.

It's one thing to see some surprises as an opposition party coming in. But as a handover in your own party?

Perhaps this is a reason for the divide between backbenchers and those with the most senior posts. PM and chancellor know things that the rest of the party have no idea about. Also that defence minister isn't in on it, hence Healey's 3% about turn.

I think a lot of the deputies were just the same as before. They must be spending a lot of time clearing the blame from their areas. I guess 14 years of Conservatives and Burnham's we've even wrong for 40 years is going to be doing some more lifting.

It’s essentially admitting poor fiscal management by your own party. Not really a surprise bearing in mind the significant increase in public spending that Starmer put in place. They can’t manage their spending because of their own economically illiterate backbenchers. Obvious to everyone in business but not the usual “centrist” crowd on here who clearly don’t know much at all

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-16134131/A-tax-spend-socialist-government-better-TikTok-videos-economist-savages-Andy-Burnham-calls-spending-cuts-calm-bond-market-chaos.html

Edited 22 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

2 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

I do find it exceptionally funny that a bunch of you Labour voting fannies throw insults at me for saying that the government have no idea what they’re doing financially. 
 

Now they’ve just openly admitted it. Expect more tax rises and even higher prices

…and increased borrowing costs. Again they just throw insults because they can’t make a case for the left wing policies that haven’t resolved the budget issues, despite excessively high levels of taxation. Who would have thought that increased government spending and higher taxes wouldn’t work?! I tell you what let’s double down and do the same again

Edited 22 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

More stuff to shit yourself about? Maybe up and leave? You’ve lost your country so what’s left?

What a strange response. Distinctly lacking in substance 

Edited 22 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

I do find it exceptionally funny that a bunch of you Labour voting fannies throw insults at me for saying that the government have no idea what they’re doing financially. 
 

 

A trait that is not restricted to the party on the left..

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

6 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

What a strange response. Distinctly lacking in substance 

😄 

[Farmer Saint]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cq804g523z5vt

Not a surprise - been told it's coming for ages. Fucking Trump.

[egg]

6 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

A trait that is not restricted to the party on the left..

Indeed. Some people talk as if Labour inherited a healthy balance sheet and created the mess we're in via it's own policies. Sure, they've had a shocker, but they inherited an absolute shit show. 

[whelk]

8 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

What a strange response. Distinctly lacking in substance 

I actually know quite a lot about this stuff. Funny that you and your mate think you are modern day Adam Smiths seizing on the odd stat here and there. As Sheaf points out Dunning Kruger shining with idiots think they know how to run national economies. Hey just push the low tax button and we’ll be fine. Simple innit, well yes to simpletons it is

Edited 14 hours ago by whelk

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

20 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed. Some people talk as if Labour inherited a healthy balance sheet and created the mess we're in via it's own policies. Sure, they've had a shocker, but they inherited an absolute shit show. 

All governments blame the previous one. The next government in if it's not Labour will do the same.

No doubt that O and SR will pivot and agree at the time.

[egg]

12 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

All governments blame the previous one. The next government in if it's not Labour will do the same.

No doubt that O and SR will pivot and agree at the time.

Indeed...debt and pension promises are easy to create but aren't the nicest of inheritances. 

[Farmer Saint]

8 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

…and increased borrowing costs. Again they just throw insults because they can’t make a case for the left wing policies that haven’t resolved the budget issues, despite excessively high levels of taxation. Who would have thought that increased government spending and higher taxes wouldn’t work?! I tell you what let’s double down and do the same again

As you say, the issue is increased borrowing costs, which is due to bond yield increases due to the Iran war, from one of your heroes, Mr Trump. The economy is doing ok from a pure growth point of view (1.7% increase PA to July).

We have all said benefits need sorting, every single one of us, and that needs looking at. Be interesting to see what else you think needs fixing from a left wing policy point of view.

[Osvaldorama]

8 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

A trait that is not restricted to the party on the left..

On that, we very much agree

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

I actually know quite a lot about this stuff. Funny that you and your mate think you are modern day Adam Smiths seizing on the odd stat here and there. As Sheaf points out Dunning Kruger shining with idiots think they know how to run national economies. Hey just push the low tax button and we’ll be fine. Simple innit, well yes to simpletons it is

LOL. Little evidence of you having a clue what you’re talking about anywhere on here so far, you fanny. Just you getting upset and throwing insults. 

Your hypocrisy is hilarious 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

I actually know quite a lot about this stuff. Funny that you and your mate think you are modern day Adam Smiths seizing on the odd stat here and there. As Sheaf points out Dunning Kruger shining with idiots think they know how to run national economies. Hey just push the low tax button and we’ll be fine. Simple innit, well yes to simpletons it is

I prefer to think of them as our resident ultracrepidarians.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

9 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I prefer to think of them as our resident ultracrepidarians.

They were my favourites in Jurassic Park.

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

LOL. Little evidence of you having a clue what you’re talking about anywhere on here so far, you fanny. Just you getting upset and throwing insults. 

Your hypocrisy is hilarious 

Crying again about insults, and then throwing an insult. These bloody right wing snowflakes.

[whelk]

11 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

LOL. Little evidence of you having a clue what you’re talking about anywhere on here so far, you fanny. Just you getting upset and throwing insults. 

Your hypocrisy is hilarious 

Amusing the thought you think you could upset me. Pity maybe, but ultimately you are a very limited, pretentious thick fucker.  Be much easier if you just accept that -things are often complex and won’t be easy for the likes of you to understand. Stay in your lane
 

 

[iansums]

Bond markets starting to get twitchy, they are concerned that the new government shows no signs of making tough decisions and cut spending. They look like another 'tax and spend' Labour government apparently.

[egg]

38 minutes ago, iansums said:

Bond markets starting to get twitchy, they are concerned that the new government shows no signs of making tough decisions and cut spending. They look like another 'tax and spend' Labour government apparently.

Yep, bond markets are shitting their pants. As I said the other day, they're the fortune tellers, and they don't like our tea leaves. Unsurprising. Yields above the 2008 and Truss levels are a huge concern. 

We're on a very sticky wicket. More tax and growth slows. Ditto cuts and the impact of austerity. More borrowing and even twitchier markets. It's a perfect storm of issues. 

[Farmer Saint]

59 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep, bond markets are shitting their pants. As I said the other day, they're the fortune tellers, and they don't like our tea leaves. Unsurprising. Yields above the 2008 and Truss levels are a huge concern. 

We're on a very sticky wicket. More tax and growth slows. Ditto cuts and the impact of austerity. More borrowing and even twitchier markets. It's a perfect storm of issues. 

Yeah, very difficult. For me it's a combination of policies, and the left of the party have to suck it up.

- Reduction in benefits (IE the Kier policy).

- Removal of the Triple Lock.

- Discussions on re-entry into the European Union.

- Scrapping of current net zero targets.

- New licenses for North Sea oil, to purely fund infrastructure for additional nuclear, wind, tidal and solar energy.

Edited 10 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[iansums]

14 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yeah, very difficult. For me it's a combination of policies, and the left of the party have to suck it up.

- Reduction in benefits (IE the Kier policy).

- Removal of the Triple Lock.

- Discussions on re-entry into the European Union.

- Scrapping of current net zero targets.

- New licenses for North Sea oil, to purely fund infrastructure for additional nuclear, wind, tidal and solar energy.

3.5/5, not too bad

[Osvaldorama]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Amusing the thought you think you could upset me. Pity maybe, but ultimately you are a very limited, pretentious thick fucker.  Be much easier if you just accept that -things are often complex and won’t be easy for the likes of you to understand. Stay in your lane
 

 

Another post, no actual point, just more insults. You offer nothing, to any conversation. Keep it up 

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Yep, bond markets are shitting their pants. As I said the other day, they're the fortune tellers, and they don't like our tea leaves. Unsurprising. Yields above the 2008 and Truss levels are a huge concern. 

We're on a very sticky wicket. More tax and growth slows. Ditto cuts and the impact of austerity. More borrowing and even twitchier markets. It's a perfect storm of issues. 

 

Should probably rename the Labour Party to the Anti-Labour Party

 Or maybe the grifter party?

Every decision they take harms businesses, and therefore workers. It’s truly a sight to behold.  
 

Don’t say I didn’t warn you all. 

[tdmickey3]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Amusing the thought you think you could upset me. Pity maybe, but ultimately you are a very limited, pretentious thick fucker.  Be much easier if you just accept that -things are often complex and won’t be easy for the likes of you to understand. Stay in your lane
 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Another post, no actual point, just more insults. You offer nothing, to any conversation. Keep it up 

Its the complete opposite, he has, very accurately described your understanding and your personality.

You should be grateful he pointed it out to give you the opportunity to either try to understand of STFU 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

24 minutes ago, iansums said:

3.5/5, not too bad

Which one was the half?

[iansums]

27 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Which one was the half?

North sea oil, I highlighted the bit I agreed with.

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, iansums said:

North sea oil, I highlighted the bit I agreed with.

You don't want energy security then?

[Osvaldorama]

44 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

 

Its the complete opposite, he has, very accurately described your understanding and your personality.

You should be grateful he pointed it out to give you the opportunity to either try to understand of STFU 

Look at you jumping in 😂😂 He’s not gonna shag you mate 

Edited 9 hours ago by Osvaldorama

[Gloucester Saint]

Some good news for the future @Farmer Saint https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjwyzrr9d3dko

About time the UK gave up all the special relationship BS. Trump finished it and it wasn’t in the best nick anyway. Who wants to align with Russia, America and Israel as a bloc? Horrific countries. 

[egg]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yeah, very difficult. For me it's a combination of policies, and the left of the party have to suck it up.

- Reduction in benefits (IE the Kier policy).

- Removal of the Triple Lock.

- Discussions on re-entry into the European Union.

- Scrapping of current net zero targets.

- New licenses for North Sea oil, to purely fund infrastructure for additional nuclear, wind, tidal and solar energy.

Agreed with all of that, save that I would open up the north sea more liberally, but we must move forwards with nuclear energy at speed. We cannot be beholden to global markets and/or geopolitics for our energy. 

[tdmickey3]

37 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Look at you jumping in 😂😂 He’s not gonna shag you mate 

A comment a child would make.

You really are an utter embarrassment.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

41 minutes ago, iansums said:

North sea oil, I highlighted the bit I agreed with.

So you did. Missed that.

The last time I paid attention to our funding of nuclear energy we were looking to build pop-up reactors. I don't recall if any have actually been started. I think the gov were struggling to get private investment.

An example of investor issues, was a little before the above, where we were going to prop up the existence of a French company by guaranteeing them exorbitant fixed energy prices, and other sweeteners to build things here.

Always good to read about rip off prices, endless open-ended contracts, less regulation combined with quicker building times and termination of tendering processes for decommissioning due to dodgy decisions.

I've complete faith in our decision makers in this sector. My own energy costs have plummeted, thanks to the warm nuclear glow in my community, that also keeps the sky light enough to read by.
 

[Wade Garrett]

14 minutes ago, egg said:

Agreed with all of that, save that I would open up the north sea more liberally, but we must move forwards with nuclear energy at speed. We cannot be beholden to global markets and/or geopolitics for our energy. 

Absolutely this.

[iansums]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

You don't want energy security then?

I do, but perhaps more along the lines of what egg suggested, nuclear is key IMO.

[Sir Ralph]

6 hours ago, whelk said:

I actually know quite a lot about this stuff. Funny that you and your mate think you are modern day Adam Smiths seizing on the odd stat here and there. As Sheaf points out Dunning Kruger shining with idiots think they know how to run national economies. Hey just push the low tax button and we’ll be fine. Simple innit, well yes to simpletons it is

I didn’t say it will all be fine if we do that. However I believe that if the direction of travel is reducing taxes and reducing spending that will put us in a better position in terms of a positive business environment to facilitate growth.

Accusing others of dunning Kruger whilst lavishing praise on yourself for your own perceived knowledge is pretty amazing. Hopefully your knowledge of economics is better than your understanding of irony

Edited 7 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[iansums]

I had to Google 'Dunning Kruger', here am I in my (early) 60's learning new things about myself. 😜

[whelk]

15 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I didn’t say it will all be fine if we do that. However I believe that if the direction of travel is reducing taxes and reducing spending that will put us in a better position in terms of a positive business environment to facilitate growth.

Accusing others of dunning Kruger whilst lavishing praise on yourself for your own perceived knowledge is pretty amazing. Hopefully your knowledge of economics is better than your understanding of irony

Seems like you don’t actually know what the Dunning Kruger effect is - it isn’t a superiority complex. ‘Lavishing praise’ lol - it’s just called having a education

[whelk]

1 minute ago, iansums said:

I had to Google 'Dunning Kruger', here am I in my (early) 60's learning new things about myself. 😜

Becoming more rife these days with people reading snippets on social media leading to them think they now have enough knowledge to challenge the experts.

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

A comment a child would make.

You really are an utter embarrassment.

 

Yes because you wading in, calling people “cunts” etc. is truly adult behaviour. 
 

 

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Yes because you wading in, calling people “cunts” etc. is truly adult behaviour. 
 

 

Its just you,not people.

Its because you want other humans to drown and that makes you a cunt

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, iansums said:

I do, but perhaps more along the lines of what egg suggested, nuclear is key IMO.

We should be harnessing our natural power though, we have some of the best resources on the world for that so it's well worth doing. It's not about net zero, it's about using our natural resources the best way we can.