Secret Site Agent Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 If we all remember a young midfield player called Matthew Le Tissier who spend his career with us when, if he had gone to say, Man U or Liverpool, would have been an automatic England choice and would have earned more money than he did. What do you reckon? Andy Surman, Llallana et al were approached but actually want to stay here? Is there that sort of loyalty still out there with us? Discuss please using only well thought out, cogent statements and rounded debate, with evidence if possible to back up your theories. No one sentance answers will be accepted either. Or I'll make up a stinging rhyme about you that will burn your very soul!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I actually want to see these mad rhyme skillz. Also, no, I don't think you've hit the nail on the head this time, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Personally I do not think the type of loyalty MLT showed is now long gone - he (unlike Surman etc) had a choice and decided to stay - Surman etc would not have been given the choice if the offer was deemed good for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 If we all remember a young midfield player called Matthew Le Tissier who spend his career with us when, if he had gone to say, Man U or Liverpool, would have been an automatic England choice and would have earned more money than he did. What do you reckon? Andy Surman, Llallana et al were approached but actually want to stay here? Is there that sort of loyalty still out there with us? Discuss please using only well thought out, cogent statements and rounded debate, with evidence if possible to back up your theories. No one sentance answers will be accepted either. Or I'll make up a stinging rhyme about you that will burn your very soul!!!! I think there well may be a case of that with regards Surman. Don't know enough about Lallana to judge one way or the other, but going back to Surman I understand he is committed to Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Difference is that Man Utd and Liverpool wouldn't have made a bid for Surman or Lallana. Its more likely that a mediocre CCC would have approached them. If a Premiership club did approach them and they turned them down out of loyalty, then that gives me more worries, that they don't have a brain cell between them. Now Kelvin Davies would be a better comparison after what happened in the summer transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Surman has always supported the club and has lived here for most of his life so he does have a lot of loyalty to SFC. That's not to say that he wouldn't leave if someone like Reading came in for him. He is also a really clever person unlike some footballers and with a new child he would most likely welcome the money. As long as Laura doesn't mind moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 If a Premiership club did approach them and they turned them down out of loyalty, then that gives me more worries, that they don't have a brain cell between them. That's a bit harsh!!! If Surman opts to stay with a club he has a big affinity with and wants to play a part in restoring it to it's former glory, then I have to say I think that's a very admirable stance. From a monetary perspective, even given an average Championship salary, he'd probably be earn close to £3m over a 10 year period, and whilst he could obviously earn more in the Premiership, he isn't going to be destitute. You might question his ambition, but the counter argument would be that loyalty and devotion are much more admirable qualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 If we all remember a young midfield player called Matthew Le Tissier who spend his career with us when, if he had gone to say, Man U or Liverpool, would have been an automatic England choice and would have earned more money than he did. What do you reckon? Andy Surman, Llallana et al were approached but actually want to stay here? Is there that sort of loyalty still out there with us? Discuss please using only well thought out, cogent statements and rounded debate, with evidence if possible to back up your theories. No one sentance answers will be accepted either. Or I'll make up a stinging rhyme about you that will burn your very soul!!!! Why are you more entitled to cogency and roundedness than anyone else ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 It's a good point and I tend to agree that those days are long gone. I was thinknig something similar about Lawries ability to sign old pro's who really had a desire to win one last medal. It just doesn't happen these days and probably never will. The other thing is, it makes you realise that so many managers and Chairman have MLT to thank for us not being relegated earlier. If MLT were still playing, all this unrest and blame game aimed at non players would simply be non existent. MLT is a legend and I mention this only to keep things in perspective rather than to challenge his loyalty but do you think he stayed because of his loyalty to the club or do you think it was because he loved the area, felt comfortable and safe and was not particularly a good 'risk taker'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 MLT is a legend and I mention this only to keep things in perspective rather than to challenge his loyalty but do you think he stayed because of his loyalty to the club or do you think it was because he loved the area, felt comfortable and safe and was not particularly a good 'risk taker'? I think a combination of the two, i.e. a large dash of loyalty mixed in with a slosh of being comfortable. Nothing wrong with that at all, and I personally have seen a number of close friends quality of life seriously diminish as they chase the big bucks and the status in their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I'm not sure it ever got to the point of talking to the players the offers related to. MaWo (as opposed to MiWi) said the offers were completely inadequate, so were rejected. I guess that's why he doesn't want to name the players or the clubs involved. Had the offers been acceptable, then the players would have been given the chance to decide for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 3 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2009 (edited) Why are you more entitled to cogency and roundedness than anyone else ? Aah, Alpine. The old antithesissi of our beloved enclave. (and I have spelled it correctly). Because I asked for it, that is why. But I don't expect it from you, that's alright. You can post what you like and you don't have to take part in the debate. How about posting a chinese menu. We promise we will all still read it. There once was a poster, Alpine Saint Who didn't want to take part in debate He moaned and he groaned and was the first to throw stones But if he said something nice, we'd all faint. But I still love you anyway. Here is a big kiss, MMMWWWWAAHHHHH I may change my name to Secret Poet Lauriate. So, back to the post. What do you reckon? Surman and that got a loyal bone in their body, do you think. Edited 14 February, 2009 by Secret Site Agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Although I would not question either Lallana or Surman's loyalty I think one reason neither man went in January was because their recent form has been subdued, to say the least and any potential buyers opted against making bids. Not to say it won't happen in the summer, especially if they rekindle some of the early season panache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 If the right sort of offer had come in for Surman then SFC would have allowed him to leave. Everyone knows that. As much as Surman likes playing for his `local' side he has already suggested that it would be the right thing to do for his career to move to a Premiership side if the chance came along - in other words he wouldn't stick around here. Lallana has only ever made positive noises about staying. If a double your wages offer came in then I dare say he, like any other man, would have his head turned and we'd be saying goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 some might say loyal, some might say no ambition.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKimish Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I think it would be hard to find such loyality in the world of football let alone at the club. There is a lot of money floating around these days (Wow, I feel old) and the difference between two club's wage bill can be monstrous. A move to a bigger club can give a player some much needed financial security and Southampton FC are unfortunately not a club that can guarentee such a thing. I'm not saying there aren't any loyal players ... I just think they are fewer and further between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 If we all remember a young midfield player called Matthew Le Tissier who spend his career with us when, if he had gone to say, Man U or Liverpool, would have been an automatic England choice and would have earned more money than he did. What do you reckon? Andy Surman, Llallana et al were approached but actually want to stay here? Is there that sort of loyalty still out there with us? Discuss please using only well thought out, cogent statements and rounded debate, with evidence if possible to back up your theories. No one sentance answers will be accepted either. Or I'll make up a stinging rhyme about you that will burn your very soul!!!! MLT certainly was very loyal to Saints, and possibly one of the reasons for that was remembering what happened to Steve Williams when he moved to Arsenal. Not sure it would be fair to compare Surman & Lallana to MLT just yet, there is a slight difference between moving to a top 4 club & someone like Reading or Fulham - and a huge difference in the wages. That said maybe the influence of retaining that idol status with the Saints crowd may be something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 MLT was never skint playing for saints Think he loved being THE saviour who could coast through training & put all his efforts into playing would Sir Alex at man ure of let him do it? If AS or AL where offered chance to leave or stay with pay rise it would be a test of loyalty Also Baird left for money he now plays for fulham reserves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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