St Marco Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Sorry if already posted "When we played Bristol City at home everyone said they were one of the best teams in the division. "When I saw them play, I thought we must be one of the best teams too." Funny as i remember that as being one of our worst games this season. All i can remember from that game was Gobern having 1 shot that went straight at the keeper and thats it. Or was he taking the **** saying Bristol are not that good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Maybe it was a game behind closed doors he's talking about, apparently we are top of that league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Ah, well... Good for Wotte. when he gets fired for being a useless lump of shiit, he can always try to find work as a comedian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 if you think we are one of the best then prove it for once. This man is going to be hated more than branfoot if he continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Ah, well... Good for Wotte. when he gets fired for being a useless lump of shiit, he can always try to find work as a comedian. Have you been at any of Wotte's games, did you see the Bristol City Game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 perhaps he thinks the league table is upside down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Have you been at any of Wotte's games, did you see the Bristol City Game? not sure how that is relevant and whilst i appreciate where you are coming from, I did see the Bristol City game and all the other home games to and Alpines comments are just about spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sun of spain Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Less talking from Wotte off the field,and better displays from his team on it are needed I think ! The man spouts rubbish at times,and does himself no favours whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Apparently the titanic was the safest ship ever built, unsinkable indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 perhaps he thinks the league table is upside down! LOL. That sums this up perfectly. No further comment necessary. Wotte is clearly upside down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 LOL. That sums this up perfectly. No further comment necessary. Wotte is clearly upside down.He cant win with fans. It would be better if he gave up like the fans on here.Down already,we are rubbish and all the other defeatist tripe.If this was 1940 this would be the French army forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 He cant win with fans. It would be better if he gave up like the fans on here.Down already,we are rubbish and all the other defeatist tripe.If this was 1940 this would be the French army forum No Nick, it would be better if he SHUT HIS MOUTH and delivered. Which is bizarrely the opposite of what every married man is hoping for on Valentine's day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 He cant win with fans. It would be better if he gave up like the fans on here.Down already,we are rubbish and all the other defeatist tripe.If this was 1940 this would be the French army forum Very true - there doesn't seem to be much fight left amongst a lot of fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 He cant win with fans. It would be better if he gave up like the fans on here.Down already,we are rubbish and all the other defeatist tripe.If this was 1940 this would be the French army forum I fully agree - we need some fight alright. The fight to remove Lowe and Wotte and then the battle to stay in this league. At least we'd have a run in worth supporting if we changed the leadership. The reality is it won't happen otherwise. New leaders required who can channel the anger in Lowe and Wotte's failure into supporting the fight to stay in this league. That is the only realistic way of getting the fans back when they're needed most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 perhaps he thinks the league table is upside down! He is just under so much pressure that he has to be soo positive. THE PRESSURE IS ON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 He cant win with fans. It would be better if he gave up like the fans on here.Down already,we are rubbish and all the other defeatist tripe.If this was 1940 this would be the French army forum I agree to an extent - if we want Saints to survive we HAVE to let Wotte spout whatever crap wants to try to turn the player's psychology around. Judge the guy on deeds, not words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 tbf what would we rather him say? Rallying the team just before they take to the pitch with a cry of "come on boysh we are one of the most average teams in the CCC" isn't exactly in the Henry V St Crispen's Day league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 No Nick, it would be better if he SHUT HIS MOUTH and delivered. Which is bizarrely the opposite of what every married man is hoping for on Valentine's day... LTC but the fans demand to hear the managers thoughts.Under Gb we were complaining he didnt speak. I think Wotte is changing things and there will be an improvement but he's only had 3 games.I dont care what others think about him with Jan. He is right we were talked about as one of the best footballing sides in the CCC. Ok it hasnt gained points but a slight change may make a difference. It hurts to see the fans give up so easily, where's the fight.I understand we have been kicked for a few years now, but the fans showed their fight last season towards the end and we need it again.The support at games has been brilliant, perhaps this site is not a fair reflection on our fanbase as a whole. We do have our very own 5th columnist whipping up the depression that doesnt help. Lord Hawpine calling from one of the Germanic states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 He started off having a pop at the fans, so now he has got everyman and his dog on his case! I really think we should be hearing some soundbites from the people who know what they are talking about....over to you Rupert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 **** the words - lets see some results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 I suppose he has to say positive things, but everyone has seen through the drivel spoken and written on the OS a long time ago........ there is a sense of helplessness amongst Saints followers which tests the most enthusiastic and positive brain! Everyone knows its complete tosh......and come the end of March, by which time relegation in all probability will be confirmed, maybe some honest reality will start to appear.......but I for one doubt it........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 LTC but the fans demand to hear the managers thoughts.Under Gb we were complaining he didnt speak. I think Wotte is changing things and there will be an improvement but he's only had 3 games.I dont care what others think about him with Jan. He is right we were talked about as one of the best footballing sides in the CCC. Ok it hasnt gained points but a slight change may make a difference. It hurts to see the fans give up so easily, where's the fight.I understand we have been kicked for a few years now, but the fans showed their fight last season towards the end and we need it again.The support at games has been brilliant, perhaps this site is not a fair reflection on our fanbase as a whole. We do have our very own 5th columnist whipping up the depression that doesnt help. Lord Hawpine calling from one of the Germanic states. I will hold you to that Nick... glad you caveated it with 'I think..' to demonstrate that you're actually not entirely convinced. Anyway... I think your description is wrong. It is not a bunch of comical 5th Columnists at the moment... it is an Army of supporters. I think what we're seeing is more akin to a military coup with the support of the general population, not a bunch of lonely deserters who were generally ridiculed and ignored. Sorry but the tables are turned and as Wotte continues to fail and send us down the army will get increasingly more grumpy towards him and his fuhrer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 **** the words - lets see some results exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Have you all forgotten so quickly how we slated Redknapp's constant, "This team isn't good enough" rhetoric? Can't we at least decide whether positivity or negativity is the way forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graymalkin33 Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 I fully agree - we need some fight alright. The fight to remove Lowe and Wotte and then the battle to stay in this league. At least we'd have a run in worth supporting if we changed the leadership. The reality is it won't happen otherwise. New leaders required who can channel the anger in Lowe and Wotte's failure into supporting the fight to stay in this league. That is the only realistic way of getting the fans back when they're needed most. Strange priorities for a saints fan Get rid of manager and the bloke upstairs THEN save us from relegation. I think surely we need to win games and stay up - then sort out what goes on off the field. But i suppose you have your own agenda - good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 White Lines!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 LTC but the fans demand to hear the managers thoughts.Under Gb we were complaining he didnt speak. I think Wotte is changing things and there will be an improvement but he's only had 3 games.I dont care what others think about him with Jan. He is right we were talked about as one of the best footballing sides in the CCC. Ok it hasnt gained points but a slight change may make a difference. It hurts to see the fans give up so easily, where's the fight.I understand we have been kicked for a few years now, but the fans showed their fight last season towards the end and we need it again.The support at games has been brilliant, perhaps this site is not a fair reflection on our fanbase as a whole. We do have our very own 5th columnist whipping up the depression that doesnt help. Lord Hawpine calling from one of the Germanic states. Nick, as you know I am one of life's hopeful optimists - hell, the missus even made me a hot-crossed bun this morning (although I think she's using this as an excuse for deriliction of duties later...) but I do feel my football team now 'owes me'. Which I've never felt before. I don't even blame the players. The enthusiasm and energy was there for all to see at the start of the season. But just as sure as when I bought my kids a dog, that excitement and passion soon waned when hard work set in. That's how kids are. That's how we all were. And only those who are genuinely destined for greatness can deliver at a young age with any consistency. The problem is that Lowe's vision/plan has been shown to be a busted flush. And probably one too far. The gulf between how we are playing and how we need to play for survival is there for all to see. The idea that we can double our wins within the 15 games left is just a bridge too far for me. We all know how this ends Nick. We get relegated - again. Wotte leaves. Lallana leaves and Surman, and Kelvin, and Saganowksi... and what are we left with??? To hope otherwise is to fly in the face of ALL the available evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 this thread proves that some on here will lay into wotte no matter what is said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Have you all forgotten so quickly how we slated Redknapp's constant, "This team isn't good enough" rhetoric? Can't we at least decide whether positivity or negativity is the way forward? x2 What do people expect the manager to say? 'We're crap, we've got no chance' or 'We're good enough to beat anyone on our day and if we work hard and play well we will stay up'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 I agree to an extent - if we want Saints to survive we HAVE to let Wotte spout whatever crap wants to try to turn the player's psychology around. Judge the guy on deeds, not words. far too many writing him off due to who appointed him. He has increased training intensity and discipline, Swansea was certainly a better team ethic, he plays two forwards, has had the same start as NP with worse team in worse position. give him a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Have you all forgotten so quickly how we slated Redknapp's constant, "This team isn't good enough" rhetoric? Can't we at least decide whether positivity or negativity is the way forward? Good point - different circumstances. When Harry was saying that we were generally agreeing with him... why? Another Lowe policy of buying mediocre. It sent us down let alone Saggy chops lack of enthusiasm for a lost cause. I'm with LG3C, he should shut up. Reality is no one believes him or has confidence in him. However, I think he's too vane to shut up. If he kept his mouth shut and delivered on the pitch we'd soon change our tune and apologise. He won't and can't. The spiral thus continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 why do you need to change your mind? Why don't you be big enough to start with an open mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 If he kept his mouth shut and delivered on the pitch we'd soon change our tune and apologise. You might but, unfortunately, there are many who would not, regardless of performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Good point - different circumstances. When Harry was saying that we were generally agreeing with him... why? Another Lowe policy of buying mediocre. It sent us down let alone Saggy chops lack of enthusiasm for a lost cause. I'm with LG3C, he should shut up. Reality is no one believes him or has confidence in him. However, I think he's too vane to shut up. If he kept his mouth shut and delivered on the pitch we'd soon change our tune and apologise. He won't and can't. The spiral thus continues. This club puts too much effort into spin and not enough into football. It frustrates the hell out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 You might but, unfortunately, there are many who would not, regardless of performance. Not true. I think the guy is an eejit. But so I did about the ginger whinger, and a few wins and gutsy performances later I had shut the firk up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 This club puts too much effort into spin and not enough into football. It frustrates the hell out of me. it frsutrates you and the likes of saintrobbie and stanley (sorry to throw you in there with them) as no matter what is said you disect every word and read every possible thing between the lines... me personally, know they ar talking crap half of the time but so does every other company...all I care about is if we win or not...I could not even care how (which so many did/do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Not true. I think the guy is an eejit. But so I did about the ginger whinger, and a few wins and gutsy performances later I had shut the firk up. I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, and your name certainly wouldn't spring to mind if I were to make a list, which I'm not about to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Nick, as you know I am one of life's hopeful optimists - hell, the missus even made me a hot-crossed bun this morning (although I think she's using this as an excuse for deriliction of duties later...) but I do feel my football team now 'owes me'. Which I've never felt before. I don't even blame the players. The enthusiasm and energy was there for all to see at the start of the season. But just as sure as when I bought my kids a dog, that excitement and passion soon waned when hard work set in. That's how kids are. That's how we all were. And only those who are genuinely destined for greatness can deliver at a young age with any consistency. The problem is that Lowe's vision/plan has been shown to be a busted flush. And probably one too far. The gulf between how we are playing and how we need to play for survival is there for all to see. The idea that we can double our wins within the 15 games left is just a bridge too far for me. We all know how this ends Nick. We get relegated - again. Wotte leaves. Lallana leaves and Surman, and Kelvin, and Saganowksi... and what are we left with??? To hope otherwise is to fly in the face of ALL the available evidence.That is fair BUT the other teams around us have to do the same or very nearly.I dont think we wre far from being a good side, it was just some of the poor tactical decisions and substitutions that cost us dear.At one stage it looked that we were going to be 7 points clear of the relegation places. It means SFA of course but I sent a message into the camp asking what was the feeling and were they up for it and I have in the last few got a reply that they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 (edited) Strange priorities for a saints fan Get rid of manager and the bloke upstairs THEN save us from relegation. I think surely we need to win games and stay up - then sort out what goes on off the field. But i suppose you have your own agenda - good luck Strange times indeed, which require even stranger - but realistic - appraoches. Nick fails to get this as well. I fully admire his attempt to create optimism and support this farce until the end in order to give Wotte a chance etc etc etc. But, there is a reality pill that overrides this admirable ideal. That is: 1. Fans have lost it with Lowe and Wilde. They WILL NOT support them any longer unless results change - they wont, we're going down... to League 2, not 1 but 2 in as many seasons. 2. Lowe is refusing to move on and will not replace his failing manager AND PARTNER IN CRIME ( - remember it was Wotte/SCW et al 2 years ago who were feeding sweety mice into Lowe's head that youth could work before GB was appointed). 3. Unless Lowe goes, Wotte cant go, team will not improve, fans will not support. REALISM. 4. You thus need to reverse engineer the support which usually runs bottom and upwards to remove the problem top down to AT LEAST get support back and have a fighting chance of staying up... which is evaporating rapidly. Finally, there IS one thing worth watching for in Wotte's rhetoric. When Wotte admits defeat, which may happen sooner than we expect, and that he cannot save the team from relegation... watch out. He will be talking on behalf of the chairman who is preparing for administration AND a possible consolidation of his own power base. Watch. Top down change is the only realistic and constructive way fans can now support this club. Supporting the team on the pitch is admirable but sadly - very very sadly, and it makes me feel sick to type this - a waste of time for the good of this Club. Wotte is going to take us down, fluke win or two not withstanding, he is going to take us down. Edited 14 February, 2009 by SaintRobbie spellink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 it frsutrates you and the likes of saintrobbie and stanley (sorry to throw you in there with them) as no matter what is said you disect every word and read every possible thing between the lines... me personally, know they ar talking crap half of the time but so does every other company...all I care about is if we win or not...I could not even care how (which so many did/do) its like new manager coming into Chelsea and saying we can win league, it's what they do, if we do badly then slag him off -but this analysing every word -and often misunderstanding it is getting silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 it frsutrates you and the likes of saintrobbie and stanley (sorry to throw you in there with them) as no matter what is said you disect every word and read every possible thing between the lines... me personally, know they ar talking crap half of the time but so does every other company...all I care about is if we win or not...I could not even care how (which so many did/do) The reason it annoys me, is because this is the SAME pattern that afflicted this club in our previous relegation. No one learns from their mistakes. Players out boozing when we're sat on the precipice?? Managers claiming the unclaimable. WTF. When Wotte was appointed, there should have been a trench mentality. Keep your heads down, work harder, up the commitment levels, up the fitness levels, up the work ethic, up the overall standards and just hope that it is enough, just enough to survive. But no, we swan on like before. Claims of our ability which fly in the face of results. Boasts about potential... It's like listening to a child claiming they're innocent of the mars bar theft, when their face is covered in chocolate It's suicidal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 You might but, unfortunately, there are many who would not, regardless of performance. I disagree. Look how many changed their tune over Pearson. 'Its a results driven business' apprently Success = forgiveness. But he won't succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Success = forgiveness. But I dont want him to succeed. fixed it for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Strange priorities for a saints fan Get rid of manager and the bloke upstairs THEN save us from relegation. I think surely we need to win games and stay up - then sort out what goes on off the field. But i suppose you have your own agenda - good luck I think that given the manager has a major impact on what happens on the pitch, then I think there is nothing wrong with this poster believing a change of manager might change results on the pitch. After all, what do you think Lowe was thinking when he bumped Gray & Wigley off (and when he and Wilde bumped Jan off as well, because he didn't walk of his own accord)? It's a totally valid viewpoint to hold and espouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Strange times indeed, which require even stranger - but realistic - appraoches.no our role is supporters! Nick fails to get this as well. I fully admire his attempt to create optimismI am the most pessimistic I have been but we haven't seen enough of this manager yet to justify the name calling he gets and support this farce I support Saints still yesuntil the end in order to give Wotte a chance etc etc etc.don't know about the end but 3 games!! But, there is a reality pill that overrides this admirable ideal. That is: 1. Fans have lost it with Lowe and Wilde. They WILL NOT support them any longer unless results change - they wont, we're going down... to League 2, not 1 but 2 in as many seasons.fans will not be happy with Lowe agree, the rest OTT 2. Lowe is refusing to move on and will not replace his failing manager AND PARTNER IN CRIME ( - remember it was Wotte/SCW et al 2 years ago who were feeding sweety mice into Lowe's head that youth could work before GB was appointed). manager was sacked/resigned 3 games ago! 3. Unless Lowe goes, Wotte cant go, team will not improve, fans will not support. REALISM.no your opinion 4. You thus need to reverse engineer the support which usually runs bottom and upwards to remove the problem top down to AT LEAST get support back and have a fighting chance of staying up... which is evaporating rapidly. Finally, there IS one thing to watch for. When Wotte admits defeat, which may happen sooner than we expect, and that he cannot save the team from relegation... watch out. He will be talking on behalf of the chairman who is preparing for administration AND a possible consolidation of his own power base. Watch. Top done change is the only realistic and constructive way fans can now support this club. Supporting the team on the pitch is admirable but sadly - very very sadly, and it makes me feel sick to type this - a waste of time for the good of this Club. Wotte is going to take us down, fluke win or two not withstanding, he is going to take us down. He may well do as he has harder task than we scraped last year under NP. So do I stop going? stop listening to away games? or support the team and hope they pull it off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 Claims of our ability which fly in the face of results. Boasts about potential... It's like listening to a child claiming they're innocent of the mars bar theft, when their face is covered in chocolate It's suicidal. LOL... this is why I come on here. That image brings back so many memories of my own nippas! LOL. Good analogy too. Coffee to monitor moment that! Ponty - we ought to have a Golden Metaphor Posts board.... some people (whatever their position) come up with some real gems, particularly at times of adversity! Football irony... just ace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 fixed it for you Not true. I do actually want Lowe and Wotte to prove me wrong... really really badly. But they're not. ... funny though DDs ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 He may well do as he has harder task than we scraped last year under NP. So do I stop going? stop listening to away games? or support the team and hope they pull it off? I was refering to Nickh to be honest.... and to reiterate I do admire Nick's admirable appeal, I just think that it's too late so we should work with the situation we NOW find ourselves in to seek the best for this Club... which is still survival in the CCC. What do we do? Support the team for the 90 minutes or until it looks like we've lost the game, and then protest hard against Lowe. Protest before and after. Write to the papers. Keep posting on this messageboard and others how much Lowe HAS to stand down for good. What else can we do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 no nick, it would be better if he shut his mouth and delivered. Which is bizarrely the opposite of what every married man is hoping for on valentine's day... bj4mm ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 February, 2009 Share Posted 14 February, 2009 bj4mm ? I know, never going to happen right?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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