1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 When you can see that he has ****ed up this season royally. Turned us into relegation candidates,when it is quite obvious that we have enough talent in the squad to at least have challenged for the play-offs. Having cost us christ-knows how many millions with relegation. He now costs us the chance of god-knows how many more millions from promotion. And some would have us believe he is great businessman with financial prudence and acumem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 When you can see that he has ****ed up this season royally. Turned us into relegation candidates,when it is quite obvious that we have enough talent in the squad to at least have challenged for the play-offs. Having cost us christ-knows how many millions with relegation. He now costs us the chance of god-knows how many more millions from promotion. And some would have us believe he is great businessman with financial prudence and acumem. So are you definetly against him or would you say you are a floater in this regard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Let the man make his point please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 I am a liberal thinker with dictatorial tendencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 When you can see that he has ****ed up this season royally. Turned us into relegation candidates,when it is quite obvious that we have enough talent in the squad to at least have challenged for the play-offs.. I disagree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 SOB,you have aided and abetted ,so i find it a bit rich you asking for people to be able to make their points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Fandango Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 When you can see that he has ****ed up this season royally. Turned us into relegation candidates,when it is quite obvious that we have enough talent in the squad to at least have challenged for the play-offs. Having cost us christ-knows how many millions with relegation. He now costs us the chance of god-knows how many more millions from promotion. And some would have us believe he is great businessman with financial prudence and acumem. So if someone disagrees with you they are a pr plant then!! Have you considered that you might be alone in your stance and that many Saints fans are merely pleased we are doing better now. You do take a very arrogant and aggresive stance against people who disagree with you, as you do on all the other forums (yes, I know you are Chester Perry) calling for people to be sacked who disagree with you. For someone who claims to be the age you are you are taking a very childish attitude. You claim to be a Saints fan and yet have spent this season undermining everything the club does, purely out of your hate for Lowe/Wilde. Would you really see us go under just to prove you are right and everyone else is wrong? Grow up FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 I disagree with this. I think we've got at least a mid table squad. I've thought all season that no way do we have one of the worst sets of players in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Good for you Hatch. I am still not sure what your position on pies is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Grow up and READ YOUR PM's. FFS are you really THAT incapable of admitting you're wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Is 1965onwards a PR plant put on here by Rupert Lowe to disrupt this obviously anti Lowe forum? Food for thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Good for you Hatch. I am still not sure what your position on pies is though. Meat is good. Fish is bad. Gravy is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Saint Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 More food posts required. I am running Lowe... I am still not sure what your position on pies is though. Matty, on the subject of food - is it true that you're over 40 live with your Mum and have fish fingers for tea or was OB having us on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 One more post unrelated to the original post and this will be locked. Can everyone please read my post at the top of the forum about pointless remarks. And 1965, this is not aimed at you so wind your neck in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Wanting a useless **** who makes one stupid decision after another out of our club is not something to be ashamed of. One persons negativity is anothers positivity,only people like you Carlos will not admit that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 When you can see that he has ****ed up this season royally. Turned us into relegation candidates,when it is quite obvious that we have enough talent in the squad to at least have challenged for the play-offs. Having cost us christ-knows how many millions with relegation. He now costs us the chance of god-knows how many more millions from promotion. And some would have us believe he is great businessman with financial prudence and acumem. How has he "turned us into relegation candidates" when we avoided relegation on the last day of the season last year? Also this was always going to be considered a transitional season in my eyes...perhaps your expectations lay elsewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 When you can see that he has ****ed up this season royally. Turned us into relegation candidates,when it is quite obvious that we have enough talent in the squad to at least have challenged for the play-offs. Having cost us christ-knows how many millions with relegation. He now costs us the chance of god-knows how many more millions from promotion. And some would have us believe he is great businessman with financial prudence and acumem. Choosing JP over Wotte was a mistake and I doubt there is anyone who will think otherwise so no argument there. Can even go as far as saying dropping Pearson was the 1st mistake but mistakes are not just made by Lowe now are they? Talent is in the squad but with the finances almost ruined decissions were made to make sure we would still have a club by the end of the season. Like it or not costs had to be cut to get the overspending back on track. I wouldnt say Rupes turned us into relegation candidates either considering we survived by 20 mins last season. How with a weekend team and new set up we would sufddenly be any better than last season I will never know. Relegation sure did cost us millions but I dont see how Rupes planned or wanted that to happen? To try and avoid relegation Rupes brought in Redcrap who in many peoples eyes was the best choice available to get us out of the sheyte. He even added to the team that not long before reached the highest league position and an FA Cup final and we still went down. Yet its all down to Lowe? His businessman skills can be debated and some would argue that we stayed up allot longer than anyone expected and we actually got better for some of the time while improving our squad and facilities beyond anything we had dreamed before. We wernt in the red in that time either and all debt was agreed and managable debt. No overdraft or spending beyond our means. Unlike what followed after Rupes was given the boot I might add. Since he has come back we have again added to the squad and we are still not in administration and our overdraft has come down by around 2mil. while gates have fallen to the same low's as last season. If the gates increase no doubt next season will look a little better in terms of finances but Rupes has set out our budgets and is sticking to them by all accounts. Something that others failed to do. Yes i want him out but I want someone in that can do better. That someone hasnt shown up yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 I also want Lowe out of our club. We could be top four in the Premiership, and I'd still want him out. This is not about the now, it's about the then, but some on here don't get that point. Go 1965, go man;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 I don't think many of us have changed our views on wanting Lowe out. We're just enjoying having reason to post some positive uplifting stuff for a change. It's been a long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Is 1965onwards a PR plant put on here by Rupert Lowe to disrupt this obviously anti Lowe forum? Food for thought? Ah....ye olde reverse psychology tactic....been tried before....IMHO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 I don't think many of us have changed our views on wanting Lowe out. We're just enjoying having reason to post some positive uplifting stuff for a change. It's been a long time! Agree, but being antiLowe, according to some, is being anti Saints. They think that we want Saints to falter, because we want Lowe out....It is two completely different subjects. I want Saints to win every match between now and when I die....but I still want Lowe out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Agree, but being antiLowe, according to some, is being anti Saints. They think that we want Saints to falter, because we want Lowe out....It is two completely different subjects. I want Saints to win every match between now and when I die....but I still want Lowe out. I fully understand where you are coming from there, but would equally say that you have been guilty of saying that anyone that is happy with allowing Wotte a run of games or the situation to unfold further is a Lowe Luvvie. It works both ways. Maybe a bit of understanding on both halves should be exercised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 For the record..annoying yes, but 1965 has a point. He started a thread got slagged off, then the thread was closed. so was the next one etc etc. All he was pointing out (I think), was, why punish him for the idiots, who seek to rubbish any anti Lowe thread, and you administraters know who they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Agree, but being antiLowe, according to some, is being anti Saints. They think that we want Saints to falter, because we want Lowe out....It is two completely different subjects. I want Saints to win every match between now and when I die....but I still want Lowe out. Unfortunatly the people who get the debate going and make a name for everyone else are the ones that do want the club to fail as that is the way they think they will see the back of Lowe. Likewise the muppets who think Lowe is the best thing since sliced bread. The Extreme Anti's and Extreme Pro's manage to turn almost every thread into a conspiricy theory or slanging match. 98% of the others probably agree with you and dont care what league or position we are in we still want to see the back of Lowe for good. It would be nice to have a board that no-one needs to think about because we are all enjoying the football but I guess that will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Well said Gingeletiss. The tactic of the Stalinist tendency down the ages has always been to re-write what people say and what they mean by what they say. Lowe is WHOLELY negative for this club,so to be against him is wholely POSITIVE. And well done Mr Wotte,even if you are a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 When you can see that he has ****ed up this season royally. Turned us into relegation candidates,when it is quite obvious that we have enough talent in the squad to at least have challenged for the play-offs. Having cost us christ-knows how many millions with relegation. He now costs us the chance of god-knows how many more millions from promotion. And some would have us believe he is great businessman with financial prudence and acumem. Although I agree he's ****ed up numerous times we were relegation candidates last year as well. At that time Lowe was not in charge and we arguably had a better squad. Also, if you think that something good is happening at the club when Lowe is in charge does not mean you like Lowe or that you want him to continue as the one in charge. Sometimes bad people make half-decent decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 RL is not WHOLLY negative to the club. He has done some poor things but also some good things. The good things I'm grateful for the poor things make me want him gone. If we stay up and the performances stay as they are i myself see no reason for him to go. I wanted him gone for keeping Jan too long, if he has rectified that then I can live with it. My support if for SFC and anyone who I deem is trying to hurt it i will take issue with.When RL was going to get GH back i was very much against the man, when he kept Jan I was also. When he helped get the club a new staduium I was pleased with him, Wotte is providing some results im pleased, the financial mire is stabilising a little and so again i'm pleased. You see if you can't see any good you are a fool, because nobody is all bad and RL has been positive and negative. If I thought RL leaving would unite the fans then i would again be right behind it, but at the end of the day the only thing that unites the fans (in the main)is wins and I suspect the attendances will follow whoever is in charge. As i also stated earlier LC was very vocal in saying he woud replace Wotte if he came back, surely that could have been as big a mistake as RL getting rid of NP. But of course that will be glossed over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Is 1965onwards a PR plant put on here by Rupert Lowe to disrupt this obviously anti Lowe forum? Food for thought?i expect so,hes forgotten we nearly got relegated last season with more talent and the fact,we mismanged the finances big time,i rather get behind the team then have more silly threads about lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 You have highlighed Nickh a major reason why we need to get rid of Lowe. While Crouch wanted someone other than Wotte,that was because he had no idea what Wotte was like. If Wotte keeps us up and Crouch starts next season in charge,there is no way that he would not want Wotte in charge (and i do not think any sane person would argue otherwise). Contrast that with Lowes petulant dismissal of NP. Anyone who wants someone in charge who is prepared to place his ego above the good of the club needs his head examining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 You have highlighed Nickh a major reason why we need to get rid of Lowe. While Crouch wanted someone other than Wotte,that was because he had no idea what Wotte was like. If Wotte keeps us up and Crouch starts next season in charge,there is no way that he would not want Wotte in charge (and i do not think any sane person would argue otherwise). Contrast that with Lowes petulant dismissal of NP. Anyone who wants someone in charge who is prepared to place his ego above the good of the club needs his head examining. I'm baffled as to how you can claim to know exactly what Leon Crouch is thinking and will be thinking in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 You and your like claim to manage that all the time Scud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Bean counters are 2 a penny Le Goddard. Bean counters who are prepared to destroy a business on the altar of their ego are a luxury no football club can afford. Football finances are stupid enough as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 (edited) RL is not WHOLLY negative to the club. He has done some poor things but also some good things. The good things I'm grateful for the poor things make me want him gone. If we stay up and the performances stay as they are i myself see no reason for him to go. I wanted him gone for keeping Jan too long, if he has rectified that then I can live with it. He may of rectified it, but too late per chance??, but you would never agree to that...never. My support if for SFC and anyone who I deem is trying to hurt it i will take issue with. When RL was going to get GH back i was very much against the man, when he kept Jan I was also. When he helped get the club a new staduium nickh....the stadium you go to, is not the stadium of Mt Lowe's dreams. THAT stadium, was a real money maker for him, but was rejected by Eastleigh Council. What you have now, is an idea forced through, but not by Rupes, this has been debated in depth.........but you'd never agree with that...never. I was pleased with him, Wotte is providing some results im pleased, the financial mire is stabilising A situation caused mainly, by relegation from the premiership, I wonder who was in charge.............um!! lets see:roll: a little and so again i'm pleased. You see if you can't see any good you are a fool, Why, because they have a differing opinion from you....Lol because nobody is all bad and RL has been positive and negative. If I thought RL leaving would unite the fans He won't then i would again be right behind it, but at the end of the day the only thing that unites the fans (in the main)is wins and I suspect the attendances will follow whoever is in charge. They haven't to date, have they?? As i also stated earlier LC was very vocal in saying he woud replace Wotte if he came back, surely that could have been as big a mistake as RL getting rid of NP. But of course that will be glossed over. Just a few points to ponder nick...................again!!!! Edited 6 March, 2009 by Gingeletiss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 'Being anti-Lowe' has been fueled by his ineptitude and antipathy to supporters - his customer base ffs. However a positive has been to unite fans in adversity. Protests, marches and wreath layering have all raised adrenaline levels - which have fed into the team. Keep this going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Well done again Ginge. You have shot down in flames someone who likes to protray himself as the self-appointed voice of reason on this site. I like the cut of your jib. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 When you can see that he has ****ed up this season royally. Turned us into relegation candidates,when it is quite obvious that we have enough talent in the squad to at least have challenged for the play-offs. Having cost us christ-knows how many millions with relegation. He now costs us the chance of god-knows how many more millions from promotion. And some would have us believe he is great businessman with financial prudence and acumem. I'm not sure I agree with the part about we have the quality in our squad to reach the playoffs. 3 wins does not automatically mean we would have been capable of playoffs. We are winning because the squad know we HAVE to. We have also added the likes of J-PS later on in the season. I do however agree that Lowe has yet again made glaring errors of judgement which have severely threatened the short and long term future of our club (yet again influencing team affairs) and in ANY other PLC he would have been sacked a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Lowe has disregarded a large part of the fan base as nobodies, due to his arrogance and lack of humility. He has also poked his nose into the football side of the club, a side which he knows absolutely nothing about. He will always split the fanbase , and has to go with the rest of the board as soon as the season ends. This is irrespective whether we stay up or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 You and your like claim to manage that all the time Scud. My "like" being what exactly? Also are you saying i'm not your type? Beggars shouldn't be choosers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 For the record..annoying yes, but 1965 has a point. He started a thread got slagged off, then the thread was closed. so was the next one etc etc. All he was pointing out (I think), was, why punish him for the idiots, who seek to rubbish any anti Lowe thread, and you administraters know who they are. So anyone supportive of the current board and what it is trying to achieve in difficult circumstances and therefore posts accordingly, is an idiot? His thread was closed because of the idiots having the cheek to question his thinking and post an alternative view. Works both ways and I don't see you complaining when the administrators allow anti-Lowes to go for the jugular of those wishing to support the middle ground. The behaviour of some posters on the extremities of holding a reasonable view is sadly puerile and often pugnacious and these qualities are no doubt reflected in the way they conduct themselves away from their keyboards (Plenty of examples sadly mixing it with Cardiff fans on the way to the game on Saturday). A sad indictment on society as oppose to any debate about Rupert Lowe or how this forum is managed. You, like 1965, Docker P and the rest are the epitomy of the phrase 'you only sing when you're winning' and in extreme cases it appears winning isn't even enough. Let's hope we get back to losing on Saturday and once again you can jusitify your position, Lowe out (as I can't think of anything meaningful to add to the debate). Son of Bob you are absolutely right but nonetheless are you doing refunds? My senses have started to dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Perhaps Nineteen you could copy/paste the replies on my original thread that were questioning my thinking. All the mods could see were nonsense/abuse which carried over to other threads i started to point out the poor decision by the mods. As usual you just post sanctimonious claptrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Well done again Ginge. You have shot down in flames someone who likes to protray himself as the self-appointed voice of reason on this site. I like the cut of your jib. LOL no he didnt at all. His arguments are based on his POV. That doesnt mean they are right just as much as it doesnt mean anyone else is right. Its getting easier to laugh at the extremists as even when things apear to be going right they still try to fight there corner with ridiculas statements based on rumour and very cloudy opinions. Even Alps and Stanley have supported the fact that the team are at least trying even though they will never change the opinion of those in the board. I was sure Stanley was a skate and was sure Alps needed some help with depression but string a few wins together and they have both shown more about them as fans of SFC than you are showing today. Not many will argue that Rupes deserves to be at our club and not many will argue for him to stay. Most of us just want a better alternative to grow a pair and help us kiss goodbye to this petty squabling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Also just your opinion Saintjay. Sorry,i forgot,your opinion is fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 When you can see that he has ****ed up this season royally. STFU already why don't you? I never thought anyone could approach alpine saint for sheer tediousness but you're getting close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Thnanks for compliment R & D. When did Rupert ask you to be a Saints fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 (edited) Just a few points to ponder nick...................again!!!! Oh I forgot that because Gingeletiss has said it it must be right. I have put forward my thoughts and stand by them. I dont know how old you are but if you went through the 60-70-80's and listened to a stream of people promising the stadium and all it was came to nothing then perhaps you will understand why i am grateful that te new one was built.i dont know who was the main mover each side has their own version.All I know is RL was on watch when we got it, not LC or even John Corbett. I notice you edited my wording, so I have put it back in full. 'You see if you can't see any good you are a fool, because nobody is all bad and RL has been positive and negative' So dont turn the words and if you are also of the same mind that he has done all wrong you are also a fool. The attendances will rise when results improve whoever is in charge. Are you saying the attendances will fall? I have answred the same old nonsense you put out.Come back with a compelling arguement and i am willing to change, but if it is the same old mantra give your typing fingers a rest. Edited 4 March, 2009 by OldNick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Also just your opinion Saintjay. Sorry,i forgot,your opinion is fact. yeah it is just my opinion. whats your point? where did I say anyone person is right? you seem to be all for jumping into bed with Ginge because it appears he supports your view. I actually thought half of what he said almost made sence and the rest was stuff he dreamed up. I didnt say he was wrong i just said his arguments against nickh's comments didnt really fit. But I have not woke up this morning after a bad dream about Rupes so im not looking for an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Thnanks for compliment R & D. When did Rupert ask you to be a Saints fan? :smt082:smt082:smt082:smt082:smt082 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Funny how it is always those who support Lowe ( if seemingly only tacitly ) who tell others to be quiet or find another forum etc etc etc. I give you Nickh------------The democratic voice of reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Also just your opinion Saintjay. Sorry,i forgot,your opinion is fact. Thnanks for compliment R & D. When did Rupert ask you to be a Saints fan? And you wonder why you got abuse? You're just shouting anyone down who doesn't agree with you... It's kind of weak... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 And you wonder why you got abuse? You're just shouting anyone down who doesn't agree with you... It's kind of weak... and its basically what the original threads got closed for. the others that were doing the same seemed to have listened to the mods and cut it out yet he is alloud to continue? And he claimed he was being censored lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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