exit2 Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Had this as a PM from The Farmer to post this as he cant start threads I've heard through a reliable source that the 3 bids being seriously considered by Mark Fry are 1. A Souness fronted consortium 2. A Guernsey/Jersey based consortium with ties to Lowe (guess these are the guys in the news today) and 3. A London based property tycoon who has an agent in Southampton who has strong links with Le Tiss and some other big names at the club. Personally a London based consortium, closer to home and pally with Tiss would get my vote. Now has anyone heard of anything to do with a London based property tycoon? But seeing the MLT link does make me smile a little as we all know he has the club at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Souness or MLT linked please, the blokes in the news today looked a right state! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Had this as a PM from The Farmer to post this as he cant start threads Now has anyone heard of anything to do with a London based property tycoon? But seeing the MLT link does make me smile a little as we all know he has the club at heart. I think DT mentioned the Candy brothers who are seriously wealthy.That would take us back to the Guernsey connection regarding Blue Water properties and chelsea barracks development, and of course MLT's home IFit was them you are talking serious dough, more dough than Mr Kipling on overtime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Number 2 can **** right off if Lowe is involved. The day Lowe comes back will be the day the boycotting campaign starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Number 2 can **** right off if Lowe is involved. The day Lowe comes back will be the day the boycotting campaign starts.Lol, a bit late Stanley. If we have no choice than Rl or folding for good then i would have to say the former, although it would be a difficult choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 So its Souness or 2 lots of property developers. The fact that they are consortiums even with the club valued so low mean they dont have much money to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 nick....you'd take Stewpert above anyone.......don't be modest about your love for the man[-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Its all getting a tad tedious now and I don't like the fact so many property developers are sniffing around. At least you would think Souness is in it for the right reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 nick....you'd take Stewpert above anyone.......don't be modest about your love for the man[-X This is the problem of the internet, you can make assessments without knowing the truth of it. I stood behind the principle of financial prudence first, then build the rest from that. I dont want to go into a long debate about the right and wrongs of RL's tenure yet again though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Its all getting a tad tedious now and I don't like the fact so many property developers are sniffing around. At least you would think Souness is in it for the right reasons. Indeed, he may be a bit of a c*ck, but he's a football man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 number 3 sounds best because it's just one person (a tycoon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Its all getting a tad tedious now and I don't like the fact so many property developers are sniffing around. At least you would think Souness is in it for the right reasons.Duncan if you look on the worlds rich list they are now mainly property developers or originators of hedge funds.The days of old money are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 So its Souness or 2 lots of property developers. The fact that they are consortiums even with the club valued so low mean they dont have much money to spend. Your lot are owned by a consortium and you couldn't say they are short when it comes to cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 So its Souness or 2 lots of property developers. The fact that they are consortiums even with the club valued so low mean they dont have much money to spend. Speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Your lot are owned by a consortium and you couldn't say they are short when it comes to cash. I was just about to say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Its all getting a tad tedious now and I don't like the fact so many property developers are sniffing around. At least you would think Souness is in it for the right reasons. Hopefully you would say would be the propert tycoon who is mates with matty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Your lot are owned by a consortium and you couldn't say they are short when it comes to cash. We were bought by Flav alone, Bernie came later and then Mittal. But the fact is Flav had enough money to buy the club by himself. As for the Property developers. The ground isnt worth much so are they looking at Staplewood and the farm and then moving on or is it a coincidence they are in that business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Does anyone know the chances of other le Tissiers on Guernsey being related to Matt? Just out of interest, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 We were bought by Flav alone, Bernie came later and then Mittal. But the fact is Flav had enough money to buy the club by himself. As for the Property developers. The ground isnt worth much so are they looking at Staplewood and the farm and then moving on or is it a coincidence they are in that business? As I sai just pure speculation. I'm actually getting pretty irritated by your negative comments. In reality you know the same as everyone else except that you aren't a saints fan so why are you even posting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Does anyone know who else stables their horses along side Channon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Its all getting a tad tedious now and I don't like the fact so many property developers are sniffing around. At least you would think Souness is in it for the right reasons. Duncan, property developers and the old Meridian Studio and part of the waterfont across the road from the stadium which is up for grabs soon could be a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Lol, a bit late Stanley. If we have no choice than Rl or folding for good then i would have to say the former, although it would be a difficult choice. Not much difference really .... we'd soon sink even Lower with Lowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 So its Souness or 2 lots of property developers. The fact that they are consortiums even with the club valued so low mean they dont have much money to spend. So they'll feel quite at home then, especially if it's the one with Lowe attached Knew he'd be back with someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Does anyone know the chances of other le Tissiers on Guernsey being related to Matt? Just out of interest, of course.His mum and dad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Does anyone know who else stables their horses along side Channon? Here's a list of horses his stables is training (together with the names of their owners) http://www.mickchannon.tv/horsesintraining.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Raymond Mould & Patrick Vaughan, London & Stamford, Guernsey, Ozannes, Le Tissier, Pillar Property, Arena Leisure, Race Horses, Channon... Not ultra rich, but will do me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 As I sai just pure speculation. I'm actually getting pretty irritated by your negative comments. In reality you know the same as everyone else except that you aren't a saints fan so why are you even posting? You must be suicidal reading alpines posts then. Thats my 3 for the day, you can rest easy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 You must be suicidal reading alpines posts then. Thats my 3 for the day, you can rest easy now. Believe me I can't stand them most of the time. I just don't enjoy people stating things as fact when clearly they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Number 2 can **** right off if Lowe is involved. The day Lowe comes back will be the day the boycotting campaign starts. Foregone conclusion I'm afraid Consortium from Guernsy, friendly with Lowe, with NO money to invest in that Footers Game Fry's Company appointed by ????? EASY Div 2 here we come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Foregone conclusion I'm afraid No it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Foregone conclusion I'm afraid Consortium from Guernsy, friendly with Lowe, with NO money to invest in that Footers Game Fry's Company appointed by ????? EASY Div 2 here we comeFrys co was appointed by bournemouth, RL hasnt bought them or Leeds. you are jumping to conclusions, lets be patient.Afterall you have so far got what you wanted as in Administration and so you knew the risks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 It all sounds dodgy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 I just don't enjoy people stating things as fact when clearly they aren't. In that case, for the good of your own health, may I suggest you log off and never come back to this forum?! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 It all sounds dodgy to me. It will fit in well with the Past 12 years shananagans then....IMHO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 It will fit in well with the Past 12 years shananagans then....IMHO of course.yeah that was a dodgy lot before Rl's tenure last time wasnt it Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Duncan if you look on the worlds rich list they are now mainly property developers or originators of hedge funds.The days of old money are gone. If you think it's only now that money is being made from property I suggest you read up on the Great Estates, the Duke of Westminster, and 'new families' with similarly huge land holdings such as the Duke of Cornwall. Twas ever thus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Farmer Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 It will fit in well with the Past 12 years shananagans then....IMHO of course. 12 years? Gay Askham goes back way further than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Frys co was appointed by bournemouth, RL hasnt bought them or Leeds. you are jumping to conclusions, lets be patient.Afterall you have so far got what you wanted as in Administration and so you knew the risks Just as a matter of interest nickh, did you honestly think that we would AVOID Administration. It was not I who owed Barclays £4 M, and went over the limit, it was Lowe's mob I viewd Administration as the ONLY way of ridding ourselves of Lowe forever Sadly, I was wrong about that ....... someone else is going to allow him back ... YET AGAIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 If you think it's only now that money is being made from property I suggest you read up on the Great Estates, the Duke of Westminster, and 'new families' with similarly huge land holdings such as the Duke of Cornwall. Twas ever thus. You are correct but the old money are too clever to buy into football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Just as a matter of interest nickh, did you honestly think that we would AVOID Administration. It was not I who owed Barclays £4 M, and went over the limit, it was Lowe's mob I viewd Administration as the ONLY way of ridding ourselves of Lowe forever Sadly, I was wrong about that ....... someone else is going to allow him back ... YET AGAIN To be fair when he came back it was lot more than £4m. I have been party to lot of things that made my toes curl in the last few years about the clubs finances. It was always likely to happen I agree. Relegation was a big part, but you act as you are at that time not spend as though you still have PL riches. Even at rock bottom prices the club is having trouble getting people to risk their money and it is getting worrying as the clock moves on. There are 1 or 2 regular contributors who are very quiet at present and perhaps their people are either nearly owning the club or have run off as quick as their bentleys can take them after they read the books! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 12 years? Gay Askham goes back way further than that. You are 100% correct there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 (edited) Raymond Mould & Patrick Vaughan, London & Stamford, Guernsey, Ozannes, Le Tissier, Pillar Property, Arena Leisure, Race Horses, Channon... Not ultra rich, but will do me My ex-girlfriend's father is an old friend of one of those guys - when they bought Centrepoint she was always telling people she knew the bloke who owned it. Time to give her a ring 'for old times sake' edit - no good she knows the guy who bought it off them rather than them Edited 29 April, 2009 by SaintDonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 (edited) Just as a matter of interest nickh, did you honestly think that we would AVOID Administration. It was not I who owed Barclays £4 M, and went over the limit, it was Lowe's mob I viewd Administration as the ONLY way of ridding ourselves of Lowe forever Sadly, I was wrong about that ....... someone else is going to allow him back ... YET AGAIN I think Administration was enevitable after we failed to sell the high wage earners last year. Getting rid of Lowe was on lots of peoples agenda whether that is more important than the club we will have to wait and see. Things may turn out OK on the other hand they may not. If we had not gone into administration we may have stayed up if we had kept Pearson we may have stayed up. But we are where we are and I doubt that any new owners will be investing without expecting to make a profit somewhere along the line. Edited 29 April, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 To be fair when he came back it was lot more than £4m. I have been party to lot of things that made my toes curl in the last few years about the clubs finances. It was always likely to happen I agree. Relegation was a big part, but you act as you are at that time not spend as though you still have PL riches. Even at rock bottom prices the club is having trouble getting people to risk their money and it is getting worrying as the clock moves on. There are 1 or 2 regular contributors who are very quiet at present and perhaps their people are either nearly owning the club or have run off as quick as their bentleys can take them after they read the books! I'm not rich and am never likely to be, but I just wonder .... OK, we're in a credit squeeze/ economic downturn etc etc, BUT, the big plus is that at the mo, everything is CHEAP, including Saints I doubt there will EVER be a better time for a REAL someone to come in and take us over. All downturns come to an end eventually The word is that Aviva ARE likely to do a deal re the £24 M, and Barclays would most likely follow suit What horifies me, is the spectre of Lowe coming back YET AGAIN, with his NO Investment concept, and with is continued arrogance that he knows everything there is to know about anything I honestly thought that there were rules in place to prevent Failures to return to the same jobsite that they had destroyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 I'm not rich and am never likely to be, but I just wonder .... OK, we're in a credit squeeze/ economic downturn etc etc, BUT, the big plus is that at the mo, everything is CHEAP, including Saints I doubt there will EVER be a better time for a REAL someone to come in and take us over. All downturns come to an end eventually The word is that Aviva ARE likely to do a deal re the £24 M, and Barclays would most likely follow suit What horifies me, is the spectre of Lowe coming back YET AGAIN, with his NO Investment concept, and with is continued arrogance that he knows everything there is to know about anything I honestly thought that there were rules in place to prevent Failures to return to the same jobsite that they had destroyed The facts seem to indicate Lowe will not be coming back. So relax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leehoudini Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 I thought that once a company had gone into administration, then the directors where prohibited from directing again for a period of 3 years or so. If this logic is correct (and no doubt somebody will be able to confirm or otherwise) how can Lowe possibly come back as a director? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaucho Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 I thought that once a company had gone into administration, then the directors where prohibited from directing again for a period of 3 years or so. If this logic is correct (and no doubt somebody will be able to confirm or otherwise) how can Lowe possibly come back as a director? I think you are confusing bankruptcy with administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Yosser Souness? Bring it on.... A wonderful deterrent to the slackers and malingerers who have inhabited the SFC treatment room for too long. Your choice players, a gentle kick-about with ol' Rupes, or being kicked about in a 5-a-side by the new chairman? He'd empty the place in a fortnight. Slight downside being we could end up with the original chocolate drop and Wotte under the same roof; perhaps they could eat each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 I think even if a group had made contact with Lowe they would be mad to advertise it. Pick Ruperts brain as to what he knows.........there may be some useful info. mixed in with all the bullsh**t about how it was'nt his fault. I can see the logic in that. 99% of people will realise that any public link with Lowe will loose several thousand off the gates next year. So at least one party might have talked to him, but I bet they don't own up to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 I thought that once a company had gone into administration, then the directors where prohibited from directing again for a period of 3 years or so. If this logic is correct (and no doubt somebody will be able to confirm or otherwise) how can Lowe possibly come back as a director? Its what the law should be, but sadly isn't. Its all too easy for directors to run the company into the ground leaving a trail of debts, shut down the company and buy it back at reduced price minus all the debts (and staff), and carry on trading as before. Regulations against this just aren't, IMO, tough enough to prevent this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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