Mr X Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 There is absoulutely no room for error on our next managerial appointment get the right candidate and we could be back in the championship in two or three years get it wrong and it could effectively be the final nail in the coffin!! I'm scared to tell the truth as we haven't exactly done well on the managerial front other than a couple of exceptions. Thoughts?...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 bet its between Hoddle and Mourinhio (spelling??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the boy from saints Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 (edited) Well, as long as Lowe isn't involved in the decision, I think we stand a better chance of getting it right! Edited 30 April, 2009 by the boy from saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Karol Bruckner must be about the right age for us!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 We need to either bring in a Scottish manager from the SPL or division one......or a young passionate manager from league 2 or someone unemplyed at the moment. I think Boothroyd would be excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 We need to either bring in a Scottish manager from the SPL or division one......or a young passionate manager from league 2 or someone unemplyed at the moment. I think Boothroyd would be excellent Boothroyd would be a top appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Who said Wotte was leaving then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 not him - he wants to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 I'm not sure it's "make or break" at all. It's easy to say these things every time a new (possible) vacancy arises, but - on the pitch - I'm not so sure "make or break" sums up our next season (off the pitch, possibly...on the pitch, less so). Decent consolidation In League One would not be a bad outcome. Promotion would be a triumph. If things go right, we might scrape into the paly-offs, I guess. There's a case for sticking with Wotte - and seeing where we are in Januaray 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tango Man Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Bring in a Britsh manager ..forget this double dutch stuff..plenty of home grown managers with good experience to take us forward.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Boothroyd would be a top appointment. agreed :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 I agree, I think it is a crucial appointment, but not necessarily only because of the success he may or may not bring on the pitch. Next season has to be a watershed in the history and future of SFC. We've all had enough heartache and pain over the last 5 years, and it is time all that is consigned to history. New owners and a new manager will signify a new start for us. If the first act of the new owners is to appoint a manager for the long term who sparks the imagination of us fans, season tickets will definitely be up on last season and despite the minus 10 points, the season will start with an air of positivity. The alternative, to start the new season with Wotte still in charge, will reduce the effect that the new start could give us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 If the first act of the new owners is to appoint a manager for the long term who sparks the imagination of us fans, season tickets will definitely be up on last season and despite the minus 10 points, the season will start with an air of positivity. The alternative, to start the new season with Wotte still in charge, will reduce the effect that the new start could give us. As I've just posted on another thread, the single most important thing IMO, is not a 'name' but someone who gets results, or at least shows the potential to. A 'name' to attract Season Ticket sales is of no use whatsoever if we don't progress ON the pitch, and personally, I doubt that Season Ticket sales will be affected all that much by the manager anyway. We'll be in League 1, hardly attractive in itself, so if you're gonna get a ST, you'll probably do it anyway. I would if I could afford it. I agree with others above who say it's not 'make or break'... or if it is, then only in the same way as every other managerial appointment. But it all comes down to ability, getting the best out of the team (and that means coaching success, not buying it), and getting results. I wouldn't be averse to Wotte staying, but I do think there are better options out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Wotte ought to go, as he was part of the bizarre experiment that got us relegated. Get rid of that other Dutch bloke at the same time. I'm all for a complete clean sweep, new owners, new manager, a root and branch change. As for the players, there are only a few of those I'd keep, but there again, they're the ones that other clubs will want to buy. We need a new manager who knows British football inside out and who can recognise the sort of players who we could afford, but who have the attributes to not only survive, but thrive in this division. Wotte would be totally and utterly clueless about choosing those players and I am not at all convinced that he would know how to motivate them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKATE_HATE Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 This probably means nothing but there are rumours that Souness is heading a consortium. He was one of the pundits for sky for the utd v arsenal match the other night and also hoddle was there too. Why these two would be pundits for utd v arsenal I don't know unless they were together during the day and were easy to get hold of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 This probably means nothing but there are rumours that Souness is heading a consortium. He was one of the pundits for sky for the utd v arsenal match the other night and also hoddle was there too. Why these two would be pundits for utd v arsenal I don't know unless they were together during the day and were easy to get hold of. Souness DOF and Hoddle Manager would make very strange bed fellows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Wotte ought to go, as he was part of the bizarre experiment that got us relegated. Get rid of that other Dutch bloke at the same time. I'm all for a complete clean sweep, new owners, new manager, a root and branch change. As for the players, there are only a few of those I'd keep, but there again, they're the ones that other clubs will want to buy. We need a new manager who knows British football inside out and who can recognise the sort of players who we could afford, but who have the attributes to not only survive, but thrive in this division. Wotte would be totally and utterly clueless about choosing those players and I am not at all convinced that he would know how to motivate them anyway. Yes you are right but I am not certain that there is a manager who meets your criteria Look at Burley most people thought he was going to be a good manager but bought players he knew well. So to some extent it is going to be luck but whoever comes in should be given our full support but what happens if results are not as good as expected should he be sacked. We have had so many managers perhaps another two or three next season can be expected Wotte probably should go as we need to start again it is a bit of a shame that we did not get relegated last season as a whole season has been wasted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Monkey Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 "Next managerial appointment will make or break us! !"....surely this is the case with almost all managerial appointments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Well, as long as Lowe isn't involved in the decision, I think we stand a better chance of getting it right! THAT is the crux of the matter ...... end of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Well, as long as Lowe isn't involved in the decision, I think we stand a better chance of getting it right! Well why would he be involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 THAT is the crux of the matter ...... end of The trouble is these days it is very difficult to get in the right manager nearly half I think are sacked each year I believe I would like Sturrock myself lots of relevant experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestSaint Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 The trouble is these days it is very difficult to get in the right manager nearly half I think are sacked each year I believe I would like Sturrock myself lots of relevant experience And so would I. He is a proven manager in this league with both Sheffield W and Plymouth. He has achieved promotion from this league and knows it well. He may not yet be a proven manager for higher Divisions but he is for Division 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 The group that head-hunted Nigel Pearson should be consulted; as that appointment was clearly a masterstroke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 The group that head-hunted Nigel Pearson should be consulted; as that appointment was clearly a masterstroke... It was Lawrie Mac's son he had Pearson on his books I think and had no job and little managerial experience in the appropriate division. So there is a lesson there somewhere - managerial experience not a pre-requisite . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Could it be Keegan ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Whoever the manager is we as fans need to give him our full support. We can be difficult to please and I guarantee that were we to appoint Sir Alex Ferguson someone would be on here posting about how he's a has been, shortly followed by the Fergie Out campaign and the 'I'll never set foot again in Saint Mary's while he's at the club' posturing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Well why would he be involved? Because Leopards do not change their spots ......... he's been involved with all decisions for the past circa twelve years ....if he's allowed back, he'd carry on just the same ..... everybody else makes mistakes, but he NEVER does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_No_7 Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 kevin keegan would be a great choice IMO. would put bums on seats, has a good record in getting teams up (not so good when he's got them there, but...), has ties to the club and lives local doesn't he??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 kevin keegan would be a great choice IMO. would put bums on seats, has a good record in getting teams up (not so good when he's got them there, but...), has ties to the club and lives local doesn't he??? He'd crack under the pressure in five minutes - as always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Paul Ince We need: Passionate, young professional and hungry manager who knows the league and can get the most from the kids and attract seasoned pros. Whats more - WE ALL need to understand that he needs a 6 year reign AT LEAST... no more Lowe errors on the managerial side please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flying Finn Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 As long as we avoid Adams, Gregory, Holloway, Robson, Sanchez and Wise. Ince is a good shout, as is Boothroyd. And what about Pardew also? Granted he was poor with Charlton towards the end, but he did well with Reading and West Ham in the lower leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 kevin keegan would be a great choice IMO. would put bums on seats, has a good record in getting teams up (not so good when he's got them there, but...), has ties to the club and lives local doesn't he??? 'I'd Luv it!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 1 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 May, 2009 "Next managerial appointment will make or break us! !"....surely this is the case with almost all managerial appointments? Agreed but I feel if we are broken this time no ones going to be able to repair us, we will be way beyond repair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Paul Ince We need: Passionate, young professional and hungry manager who knows the league and can get the most from the kids and attract seasoned pros. Whats more - WE ALL need to understand that he needs a 6 year reign AT LEAST... no more Lowe errors on the managerial side please. Good shout on Paul Ince. If Wotte goes, I'd be more than happy with him. Not sure on the 6 year reign concept though. I feel like a hypocrit having always argued for more stability in football - but if the club is going to rise again, I'd say we need quite a churnover on playing staff and coaching. The team/manager to get us promoted out of League One may not be the same as the team/manager to get us to do well in the CCC. A good team/manager in the CCC might need to be radically changed again to survive in the Premiership. I do think they should be a (Stalin-like) five year plan though - on and off the pitch. 2009-10: Consolidate in League One and stabilise off-pitch situation 2010-11: Promoted to the CCC and run club at break even 2011-12: Consolidate in CCC and grow fanbase to average attendance of c. 24K 2012-13: Promotion push in CCC but not "going for broke" 2013-14: Promoted to Premiership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Paul Ince We need: Passionate, young professional and hungry manager who knows the league and can get the most from the kids and attract seasoned pros. Whats more - WE ALL need to understand that he needs a 6 year reign AT LEAST... no more Lowe errors on the managerial side please. He'd hardly stay six months, let alone six years. He jumped ship before to go to the Prem. "Failed" as they say, but he'd want away if another Prem Club were after him These days, the Contracts of both Players and Managers are hardly worth the paper they are written on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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