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Robsk II
12-09-2008, 10:07 AM
Watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRCAa9eu-s8&eurl=http://www.winningelevenblog.com/news/pes-2009-champions-league-trailer/

At last, Konami are pulling their socks up in terms of presentation skills and so on. Cracking trailer I say. Well done them for securing the CL license and all attributes with it for 4 exclusive years. Gameplay is meant to be better again this year after the slight le down last year. There will still be some licensing issues outside of CL mode, but it still looks to be something worth getting excited about.

St Marco
12-09-2008, 11:59 AM
my mate played it at the lezpeg games convention few weeks ago, said it was just as poor as last years. Will wait for the demo myself.

Saint_clark
12-09-2008, 12:50 PM
Saints winning the Champions League at the end there, excellent.
I take it from that video that United and Liverpool will be the two licensed teams?
I'll still choose it ahead of Fifa because, even when it is worse, it is still more addictive.

St Marco
12-09-2008, 01:34 PM
Saints winning the Champions League at the end there, excellent.
I take it from that video that United and Liverpool will be the two licensed teams?
I'll still choose it ahead of Fifa because, even when it is worse, it is still more addictive.

I disagree mate, i think Super charged soccer was more realistic then PES08. For me PES series died after number 5. It just hasent been able to bring that excellence into the new generation of consoles. The funny thing is up until last year i hated fifa with a passion, the fact that it was arcade and pretty much just the same game every year for like a decade. But the past 2 PES have been dire. I can run with my goalie on PES08 the whole pitch and score, it feels like it is you versus yourself rather then actually having an oponent. The 70% score it got is justified i think. Where as fifa last year went back to the drawing board and changed the whole you can run the whole pitch with the sprint button jammed down and score everytime. It is more about skill and finding openings with changes of tactics and positions. This makes the game major hard but once you mastered it makes it more realistic. PES09 has copied a lot from Fifa 08 as they have their own "Be a pro" now, it is about time they started to make other features as master league and custom tournament get boring very fast.

GuttedAnt
12-09-2008, 08:20 PM
Aslong as Lawro is'nt doing the commentry again I might have a go.

Ajv2809
12-09-2008, 08:50 PM
St Marco - Pro Evo didnt copy the 'Be A Pro' idea. It originally came from one of the Winning Eleven games a few years ago. Konami came up with it long before Fifa, but didnt include it in the Pro Evo series.

The videPro Evo in my eyes has always been better for the raw gameplay. And for me, thats what counts.

saint_bert
12-09-2008, 09:00 PM
Pro Evo really needs a decent league mode. It still has my heart and no matter how hard i try to love FIFA I will always be a PES man

saint_stevo
13-09-2008, 12:03 AM
Holland players names?

Robsk II
15-09-2008, 07:34 PM
PES DOES need a revamped master league, no doubt about it. But as for gameplay, apparently leipzig had a poor build so there is some debate as to which code they will use for the demo. Some people supposedly "in the know" reckon they've recaptured the essence of PES5 in gameplay terms this time, balanced it right etc. I will probably try both, but I played both properly for the first time in ages last year. In the end, I tired of FIFA before PES, for all its faults in that iteration.

The9
19-09-2008, 12:30 AM
Hmna, restricted as I am to 3 posts a day for as long as I'm a tightwad...

Konami's presentation skills I couldn't care less about. The CL license I couldn't really care about, but at least there will be a decent standalone mode instead of playing Konami Cup all the time.

Gameplay is expected to be PES5 (WE10)-esque, in that it's slower. Which is a good thing. More to the point, you can't just bloody dribble past everyone as was SO easy in 2008.

There are also licensing issues WITHIN CL mode, cos with Liverpool and Man U "official", apparently Arsenal and Chelsea aren't licensed, due to the 2 Prem clubs per game rule - and Konami have also lost the La Liga Spanish license (rumoured 7 Spanish clubs licensed) and there's also a question about the Serie A license which we won't know about for a while. Though the current (official) PESUnites website lists FIGC (Italian FA) and the Italian players' association as licenses, there's no mention of the Serie A license, only AC Milan by name.

St Marco's mate who played it at Leipzig will also know that WENB have been reporting for about 6 weeks that the Leipzig build was really early and actually very similar to PES2008, but also that they themselves, and most of the games media, already had more advanced later builds to preview from. Having said that, WENB's credibility took a clobbering last year with their failure to report on 2008's failings.

That wasn't Saints winning the CL, that was PES United. And anyone picking either PES OR FIFA automatically at the moment is a numpty, I hated PES2008 and actually bought FIFA, but while it was decent, found it slow and samey after a few games, and I HATE the cartoon faces. The FIFA09 demo plays EXACTLY the same at 08 as far as I can tell from a few games of that, and I won't be buying it even for all the multiplayer online stuff without seeing a few games of someone else at it first.

I am shaking my head in resignation at St Marco's nonsense about Konami "copying" Be A Pro too, presumably he's never heard of Konami's Fantasista mode in J-League Winning Eleven Club Championship 2007 on PS2, which came out months before FIFA 08 with Be A Legend last year - not to mention all the games in the past with single-player viewpoints back into the 90s and probably before.

But I can't argue that PES lacks game modes - but to be honest I couldn't be arsed to play a whole season in FIFA08 anyway it got so repetitive, so both could improve. Also, in my FIRST FIFA09 demo match, I conceded a diving back header from a player diving out of the side of the six yard box (ahead of the direction of the ball) in a manner that utterly defied physics, which told me nothing had changed on that front.

Sorry GuttedAnt, but it's Lawrenson again.

No-one can tell from videos how the gameplay will be, especially regarding PES where the keepers were trash on PES2008 and really need to be better, but might be worse from low-level "goal action" videos. FIFA keepers are much better though, far more realistic and effective last year.

Holland players names have been correct since about PES4, or if not, it's no effort to edit them anyway, what's the big deal ? At least they're not PES3(?)s Oranges123 !!!

And Robsk, I'm assuming you played PES2008 on PC, which was probably the only version worth anything, cos the 360 version was awful and unplayable, especially online, and I didn't even get as far as editing myself properly I was so peeved with the game. It just flat out wasn't a challenge, wasn't football, wasn't fun, and wasn't even bloody finished.

FWIW PES2009 is believed to have far more kits for editing (70+ templates and 4 layers, plus as Hull have the same kit style as Saints we'll be able to do a perfect Saints kit). They also have DECENT, REALISTIC LOOKING officially licensed adidas boots (again), plus Nike and Puma styles as well, in a variety of colours. I'm really hoping we get the 36 boot edit slots back even if we're fixed to licensed boots plus 4 plain colours. My adipure black/white are in anyway, so I'm happy!

Funnily enough I haven't heard anything about the Camera capture of kits this year, maybe they've hoiked it, or maybe as it's not new it's just not publicised, but you can sponsor import and badge edit/import (at least on PS3, the 360 needs the new functionality of the new dashboard for USB importing). There are 40 picture slots for badges etc as well as the pixel editor, and .png files and transparency are supported.

Which of course all means jack all if the gameplay sucks.

Like some others I love my PES, but I think I'll be renting first this year because last time was SUCH a letdown. But if they produce PES2008 with slowed down gameplay, a good edit mode and decent AI and keepers, it won't take ALL that much to turn me back into a PESfan.

I miss my Winning Eleven though. :(

Robsk II
19-09-2008, 09:46 AM
Same boat Scott. I'll be playing before I buy. I did play the PC version, yeah, and it's always good because you can download patches pretty easily that do the whole thing. Editing is worth it for a good version, but it's always nicer to just go "click, fiddle a bit" and have "full licensing". In my case I got all the championship clubs etc, up to date teams and so on. So while I agree it was a let down, I would still say it had more longevity and variability etc than Fifa, and that's having played both. I'm not bad at PES anyway, but clobbering United 10-0 sort of.. yeah. Let's hope 09 is better.

St Marco
19-09-2008, 11:55 AM
The9 some very good points there but lets not go overboard about PES Be a Pro. They had it so you can lock in 1 position in the controler set-up page by moving the little assit bar thing down to 1 bars. All that meant is you can play a game as 1 player. If your talking about that then why have you not mentioned Fifa 94-95 where you could do that or even Total Football where you could do that? The difference is EA have taken that element and changed it. They have made it so you can have a career where if you play well you might get bought. But by playing well also means you might get picked for the national team. The Be a Pro of Fifa is very very different from that of PES and it is laughable to even try and compare the two.

I have not played PES09 so i can't pass judgement on that game yet, but i have played Fifa 09 and to me it is very similar to last years. Normally that would be a bad thing for me but this time they have actually fixed the things that annoyed me and made the game better. The new features are fun. Most of my friends who love PES series have agreed Fifa 09 is better then last year and there is no comparison to PES08. If Konami want to get back to the golden days where they had the best football game on the planet (4/5) then they need to start changing things and actually listen to people. They have changed little over the years and this year all the comments i have seen point to another failure. Another year where they promise xyz but do nothing. The problem with PES is since it has turned into a game released every year it has struggled. They need to take it away and spend as long as it takes to create the perfect game. 2K will be entering the fray soon with their new football game and if it is like their NBA games then PES is in even further trouble. As you mentioned nobody should be writing off PES09 without even playing it as that is just silly. Get the demo/rent it and decide for yourself if you like it. Some people love games others hate. I loved Fight Night (mainly because i box) but others hated it and it got like 70% reviews etc..
The one good thing about PES and Fifa is they push each other to make better games. Without PES im sure EA would just churn out the same game every year still.

GuttedAnt
19-09-2008, 04:20 PM
Sorry GuttedAnt, but it's Lawrenson again.



ARRRRGHHHHH!!!

Last time it sounded like they recorded his voice in a cardboard box. And as bad as it was, at least with Peter Brackley and Trevor Brooking it actually sounded convincing.

Commentry might be a non-issue for some people but last years was part of the reason I didn't enjoy it. :(

Danny
19-09-2008, 06:13 PM
I would just like to say "Hello The9". I know for a fact he is screaming at his monitor at the fact he is unable to reply!

:smt039

Robsk II
19-09-2008, 07:13 PM
Lolscott.

The9
20-09-2008, 01:15 AM
Well thank crap that 24 hour period has expired. For those who DON'T know, my Facebook status for most of today was the equivalent of me jumping up and down in frustration at using up my 3 posts for the day at 1:30am...

...because of Saint Marco posting that message above in which he has TOTALLY misunderstand what the Fantasista mode I was talking about was about.

Firstly, the option to lock on a single player has been in a ton of games, and pretty much all the PES games I've ever played. However, I wasn't talking about that.

The Fantasista mode, from WEJLCC07 (for short), was a full career mode, in which you created your player, chose your stronger foot, hairstyle, appearance, allocated a position and some skills for yourself, and ended up on the bench or in the reserves for a (Japanese, which was the language the game was in) J-League 2nd Division team.

Depending on whether you were selected or not, you might play, watch (if you were sub) or skip the game and train to gain attribute points.

The in-game mode featured you playing as a single player, viewed close-up from behind, with the pitch rotating around you in 360 degrees. In fact, it looked very similar to Libero Grande, which is the first person footy perspective game I couldn't remember the name of yesterday.

But the point is, you played the match as one player, you couldn't change your player during the match, there was no setting the tolerance low or anything because it was a completely separate game mode, kind of like watching a single player perspective in a replay.

And you had a career, which usually went from J-Lge 2 to J-Lge 1 to Europe, depending on your success. As it was in Japanese I played about a season and a half in J-Lge 2 before I got fed up of being offered a transfer to J Lge 1's bottom 3, and then PES6 came out for Xbox360 the week after so the chipped PS2 got retired.

Funnily enough I only deleted the rar file from my laptop last week...

Anyway, the point was that Konami's Winning Eleven J-League Club Championship 2007, the Japanese Club version of PES, had something suspiciously resembling FIFA08's "Be A Pro" a full few months before Be A Pro was even released. FWIW I think Be A Pro is probably better, but EA defeintely weren't first in that particular contest (and as I mentioned, Libero Grande built a whole game around the same concept in about 1995 anyway, but without the career mode).

Anyway, onto other things, a pretty big PES news day today, with some actual in-game late review version video emerging from Sweden - there's a bit of weirdness, as the CL mode is shown clearly, and there are lists of teams, but Liverpool don't seem to feature in it - though PES2009 has a licensed Cluj ! My suspicion is that the licensed teams in CL are all grouped together, but they're not all on one page, so only SOME of the licensed teams in CL have been seen. But it's all but confirmed that Arsenal and Chelsea WON'T be licensed. On the bright side, you seem to able to include any teams you want in the UEFA CL (and play Exhibitions with the CL ad-boards etc). No idea if BATE Borisov are in though. :rolleyes:

Vids are here anyway : http://www.winningelevenblog.com/news/new-pes-2009-videos/

The feckers STILL won't go into Edit mode though - although there is a screenshot of edit mode (showing the 4 shirt edit layers) taken from a (rubbish) Spanish magazine (on the right, half way down here :)

http://www.winningelevenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/magscan5.jpg

The translation also says there are 32 licensed teams in the CL, which may be sort of true as there are probably 32 licensed teams in the game, but they're not the 32 teams that are actually in the CL this season, cos various national licensing regulations (and EA/FIFA) prevent more than 2 Prem clubs and ANY German clubs being in PES.

Oh, and the Serie A license has definitely gone, but apparently Konami has licenses for all of the Serie A clubs anyway, so if you can put up with an "England League" style "Calcio" logo, you'll still have licensed Italian sides.

Oh yeah, and Ronaldinho's white boots with the dark inside-foot piece are in the game too. The boots licensing seems to have massively improved - AND the boots look better than the ones on my FIFA09 demo. The Vapors on FIFA's Drogba look like clogs !

I think that's it for today. God I hope this game doesn't suck, I'm dying for PES2009 to be good; I was playing the FIFA09 demo earlier and it does seem a bit crisper and smoother than last season, but that may just be me playing as Chelsea not Saints !!! :D

Oh and hi Dan, remind me not to pass to you on Sunday ! ;)

Double-oh, I have to say Lawrenson wouldn't be my choice either, but the only commentary so far seems to be last year's, so that could change. Brackley and Brooking were cool, but having loved Jon Kabira's Winning Eleven "SHOOOOOOOOTOH"s for 4 years in Japanese I can't say it makes much difference to me. "CHANCES-NAAAH" ! "HEADING-A" !!! Go Kabira !

St Marco
29-09-2008, 05:06 PM
My sources tell me the demo will be released on thursday (the day fifa 09 is released) :)

GuttedAnt
29-09-2008, 05:37 PM
My sources tell me the demo will be released on thursday (the day fifa 09 is released) :)

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=248718

Nice timing eh?

St Marco
29-09-2008, 05:48 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=248718

Nice timing eh?

Ah i not read eurogamer for awhile, i think only them i tend to agree with review wise.

However in terms of timing it could go either way i think. It could be a clever ploy to remind people that Pro Evo is still around and is actually good this year so hold of buying fifa and wait for us!! Or most likely is a last grasp tactic in trying to keep the whole fifa vs pes thing going.

JustMike
29-09-2008, 06:19 PM
always have been a fifa man myself but i will give the demo a go

Saint_clark
29-09-2008, 07:57 PM
I'm assuming the demo will be downloadable from PSN?

Johnny Shearer
29-09-2008, 08:32 PM
I wish I had never exchanged PES5 for PES6.

Ajv2809
02-10-2008, 10:22 AM
Demo is out today!

You heard it here first!

Ajv2809
02-10-2008, 10:24 AM
Hmmm. I meant you heard it here third....

;)

Baj
02-10-2008, 10:47 AM
Out on PS3 and Xbox today?

St Landrew
02-10-2008, 11:04 AM
I wish I had never exchanged PES5 for PES6.

My favourite has SFC featured as one of the teams. It doesn't seem the same after that. :(

saintmorley
02-10-2008, 12:41 PM
Demo is out today!

You heard it here first!

Downloading it now. is going painfully slow though. anyone got it yet? if so whats it like??

pittdogg
02-10-2008, 12:59 PM
i just downloaded it. i am not biased. but its awful.it felt like i was playing on a old console(early ps2 footie game)as for the game play. it sucked.i was a big lover of the pro evo series. and i was hoping for a massive improvement on last years poor attempt.but its not improved at all. just a reminder of how they have lost the magic of what was once a great game.

im going to buy fifa 09 tomorrow. not just because pro is a let down.but fifa is now a good football game.

Saint_clark
02-10-2008, 01:17 PM
Downloading it now - it can't be that bad pittdogg, surely?

mattbrennan
02-10-2008, 01:27 PM
pittdogg is right. It is really not that good. Just played the demo of both PES and FIFA. My £40 will be going to EA this year. FIFA has taken the crown. They accepted PES was better and completely reinvented the game. It worked. Bye bye PES :(

St Marco
02-10-2008, 01:50 PM
I Played it for a few hours and thought it was poor. I just don't understand Konami. They spend so much time trying to get a few official teams in the game when they should be trying to actually make a decent game worthy of the licence. They have turned into the fifa of old where they just change the game name and re-release it every year. If only they could take it away and stop making a yearly game, work on it until it is done and is like PES4 and 5. Those games were awesome. Konami have struggled to make the game this generation and that is kind of strange. Last year they said "were sorry for the game we will go back and start again, a new engine a new game". Well they lied then.

GuttedAnt
02-10-2008, 05:52 PM
Downloading it now but generally, and not just here, the demo hasn't gone down well with PES fans, hardcore or not. I'll judge for myself once it's downloaded.

Saint_clark
02-10-2008, 10:43 PM
Oh my god, it is sh*t.
St Marco, how the f*ck can you play a 5 minute demo for hours? :lol:
I think i'll be getting Fifa this year, which is a shame. Last years PES was bad, but it was playable.

St Marco
02-10-2008, 11:06 PM
Oh my god, it is sh*t.
St Marco, how the f*ck can you play a 5 minute demo for hours? :lol:
I think i'll be getting Fifa this year, which is a shame. Last years PES was bad, but it was playable.

Well reason i can play it for hours is some clever fella created a hack so you can play for as long as you want :P
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/41899/Pro-Evolution-Soccer-2009-PC-Demo-Hack

Plus i always think some games need a bit of time to play. Many games i have played and hated it after the first 1hr or so but then started to like it. Like Force Unleashed :D

Ajv2809
03-10-2008, 02:53 AM
While it isn't anywhere near the perfect game that Konami have been promising us, I don't think its as bad as people made out.

The gameplay is alot slower, which at first I struggled with. But it took time and once you have got used to it, the game seems more fluid.

I'm not at all blown away. But I think its better than last years attempt, just not by much.

Saint_clark
03-10-2008, 08:35 AM
While it isn't anywhere near the perfect game that Konami have been promising us, I don't think its as bad as people made out.

The gameplay is alot slower, which at first I struggled with. But it took time and once you have got used to it, the game seems more fluid.

I'm not at all blown away. But I think its better than last years attempt, just not by much.

The trouble I have with it is the players seem to be either very good or very bad.
Playing as Liverpool, Torres and Gerrard are awesome and it's fine when they have the ball - everyone else is utter sh*te. Their touches bounce off them about a metre away, their passes are slow and usually behind the player, and don't even get me started on the tackling system.
It's the worst PES i've ever played.

labibs
03-10-2008, 12:37 PM
Personally I quite liked it. Like the way they have slowed the game down and the fact that you have to create chances rather than just running straight through defences with Ronaldo or Messi like you could in the previous version. I'll be buying a copy.

Then again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion

Saint_clark
06-10-2008, 01:50 PM
Also, corners are stupidly easy to score from.

The9
07-10-2008, 01:48 PM
I'd appreciate it if someone could remove that big ole' ugly scan from the middle of the thread for me now... no idea it was that big.

Um, I'm still at a loss to why people don't like PES2009, it's an excellent PES game, totally in the tradition of all their other games (except last year's).

I just can't get on with FIFA09 this year, I absolutely hate the bobbly control and turning actions, and I conceded a pathetic goal on the demo where a player was in the six yard box wide of the goal at the far post, dived towards the sideline even further from the goal and travelling in the wrong direction and the ball was powerfully headed into the net off the back of his head in total contravention of all existing laws of physics.

The9
07-10-2008, 01:51 PM
Also, corners are stupidly easy to score from.

I haven't managed it in 4 days so far...

skintsaint
08-10-2008, 07:56 AM
PES08 was a good playable game, online mode ruined it. Its all I played the previous versions for.

as long as PES09 is good online then my Fifa09 will get sold.

saintsforlife7
08-10-2008, 09:12 PM
Fifa is so much better than last year, but it's still so rubbish when you are running forward and balls coming over your head and your player stops looks and then is half a yard behind the defender, or your defender tries to smash the ball away, only to swing at thin air ands fal on the floor allowing the attacker to run onto a free ball towards goal.

In this aspect, and graphical faces in PES are so much better than Fifa, with an option file being brought out with all kits and badges perfected PES will still be no.1 for me

magnet
09-10-2008, 04:05 PM
I've played both FIFA09 and PES2009 (360) and personally prefer PES. Found it easier and move intuitive than FIFA. Maybe its cause I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to football games that I prefered it.

St Marco
09-10-2008, 06:18 PM
Still maintain it's poor and graphics wise has nothing on Fifa which actually got better graphics wise this year. The crowd in PES09 is pitiful, PES09 remains structured around getting the ball then trying to run with the ball past people. It is tottally voidless of passing. And then when you do try to pass it uses a 1980's rail system where you pass it and the ball becomes automatic, the really annoying thing is you do a through ball or a pass into the path of someone running and the player just stops before he gets the ball and the ball runs out of play. Just watch the first 2 mins of this official video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LfohbZdzOao

It is nothing at all like real football and im with the PES community on this one, Konami need to go back to the drawing board and stop making an annual game because since then the games have been awful and 09 is no different. Fifa has got a metascore of 89% this year and i would expect PES09 to get around 70% scores. A game that some will like and some won't. It is now compeating with games like Super Mario Soccer then Fifa.

Robsk II
09-10-2008, 10:11 PM
In fairness, while they do need to pull their finger out next time around, saying PES is about trying to run around people is pure ********. have you played the demo this time? Good luck with that.

saintsforlife7
09-10-2008, 10:34 PM
http://www.winningelevenblog.com/news/option-file-update-chelsea-vs-arsenal/

Graphics wise Fifa is nowhere near Pro, after this option file the graphics will be so much better, faces in PES destroy Fifa, and the statement about the player stopping and the ball runnning out of play is one of the most infuriating things in Fifa this year.

St Marco
09-10-2008, 10:52 PM
In fairness, while they do need to pull their finger out next time around, saying PES is about trying to run around people is pure ********. have you played the demo this time? Good luck with that.

well the official video shows that in pretty much every possesion, guy gets ball, runs with ball, passes 1 guy, the ball then gets magically stuck to the opponents foot and so on, that is in that video. And i have played the demo. If you go to the PES community forum your see even the most biased of Pro Evo fans agree that the gameplay is all wrong. By saying it is good for the sake of it just hurts the franchise more. We want Konami to get back to the days of 4&5. This is nowhere near it.

And Saints For Life. Pro Evo 09 has a near 7 year old games engine. The graphics are miles behind Fifa. Don't believe me?

Well gametrailers did a comparison of the two games graphics wise and fifa killed it. Pro Evo however imo has slightly better player faces.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/273461.html

Notice not only the player animations on fifa are better but look how tacky the grass,stadium,shadows etc.. is in pro evo 09. As i said above saying the game is better simply because you want it to be doesn't help the game at all. Konami fooked up. Again.

Robsk II
10-10-2008, 11:42 AM
Marco - judging the official video is hardly a decent basis. A video may well intend to convey the 'beauty' of the game or whatever rather than providing a good insight into how the game feels and plays. Why not judge it on the demo alone which you claim to have played? The video simply shouldn't come into a judgement on gameplay.

I'm not saying it's good for the sake of it, and that's an absurd accusation. I am not one to be blinkered. Clearly PES09 will still have its detractors, and still has its faults. The graphics engine is creaking, no doubt about it - BUT it looks pretty decent overall, and it is a step forwards from last year. I think the player models are generally better than FIFA, and the lighting has improved. They won't be able to get away with it any more, we all know it, but this years looks OK. The crowd is laughable, yes, but the d.o.f. effect helps. They have also done something like that on the pitch, which looks a bit better than before too - further away on the pitch looks further away, if that makes sense. We all know the stupid banners ("Celery"), too many konami adboards, etc are a ****ing joke.. little things alone, but as a package reek of stupidity and lack of attention to detail. They don't break the game, but they really do have a massive effect on the realism. Also, Konami clearly misses a trick a lot of the tie with its team research and so on. The animation will soon need reworking, too. Still - I reject your view that they are awful, and the grass and so on are better than before on PES. Not perfect, but not a **** up.

However - if I buy it, I will get the PC version, I will download patches and so on to render the license problems moot, and I will be playing at 1680x1050. It will look better than the console versions, probably. It'll come with all the custom sounds people make and so on, so I reckon it'll be the best way to play it. I may well try FIFA at some point - but the problem is, half the people said FIFA was great last year. It simply wasn't. it was a whole lot better than other versions of recent times, and i actually played it quite a lot. This, however, is what broke it for me. After a while, it became too easy. Goals started to feel samey, it was too easy to beat people, the animations looked cheesy, as did a lot of the graphics. I just got tired of it. The old PES games I would still be playing a year later, because at the end of the day, the game FELT better. Goals FELT worked for and never really easy, even when you dicked the computer. As it was, I got rid of FIFA last year, and ended up playing the admittedly relatively crappy PES08 instead. That says it all. I just expect the gameplay to be better in PES, and while I will reserve judgement, I sort of expect it to be the same deal - particularly given that it feels 'fixed' in PES from what I've seen in the demo.

St Marco
10-10-2008, 12:29 PM
Thats a very good write up Rob and i agree with pretty much all of it. We all like different things and we all like games to have certain attributes. Some games which are panned i really like (Fight Night,Force Unleashed). As i said higher up somewhere if we don't have fifa and pes then nobody will be pushed to make a better game. I still play PES5 that is how high i rate that :)

Robsk II
10-10-2008, 02:20 PM
Yeah, it's good that there are both to push each other along. The ironic thing is that if you had a fusion of the best attributes of both games, we'd have some sort of footballing nirvana. Can you imagine it? The presentation values and licensing, the commentary and depth of modes, number of leagues and so on from FIFA, coupled with EA's newfound push towards simulation - with the ball physics, responsiveness, crispness of control, the 'feel', etc, of PES. It would be ace. I for one actually think PES remains the closest to the feel of football. Not the pacing, as such, but trying to fit 90 minutes into 5 or ten was never going to be feasible if you made it a genuine full on simulation, because there'd be a whole lot of 0-0 draws. More the way it plays out. Overall, I would really like something that felt as much as possible like a simulation, and was only 'arcadey' where required to make it still enjoyable.

The9
13-10-2008, 01:18 AM
Still maintain it's poor and graphics wise has nothing on Fifa which actually got better graphics wise this year. The crowd in PES09 is pitiful, PES09 remains structured around getting the ball then trying to run with the ball past people. It is tottally voidless of passing. And then when you do try to pass it uses a 1980's rail system where you pass it and the ball becomes automatic, the really annoying thing is you do a through ball or a pass into the path of someone running and the player just stops before he gets the ball and the ball runs out of play. Just watch the first 2 mins of this official video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LfohbZdzOao
.

God you don't half type some sh1te.

There's been a supercancel button to override the "rail" thing for about 5 years now, the rails are all but irrelevant in PES2009 (other than the logical straight line to the ball being a rail of sorts) and PES2009 is ALL about passing.

You clearly haven't played it, just like you hadn't played Fantasista and didn't know what the hell you were talking about there either.

St Marco
13-10-2008, 01:42 AM
God you don't half type some sh1te.

There's been a supercancel button to override the "rail" thing for about 5 years now, the rails are all but irrelevant in PES2009 (other than the logical straight line to the ball being a rail of sorts) and PES2009 is ALL about passing.

You clearly haven't played it, just like you hadn't played Fantasista and didn't know what the hell you were talking about there either.

You know what, normally i would come back saying your full of **** etc.. etc.. but i really can't be bothered. If you want to believe there is no rail system and it is ALL about passing then you believe that. I couldn't care less. I read what the guys are saying in their reviews as i have only played the demo, i never said i owned the full game, like with the Fantasista comment where did i say i played that?? Your pulling assumptions out of your arse to try and sound intelligent. I will quote a line from a review on thunderbolt

The passing system is stuck in past generations, with players have to manually pass with the right analogue stick if they donít want to pass the ball seemingly on rails between team mates. This is an awkward configuration, especially considering that FIFA allows manual passing as standard.
http://www.thunderboltgames.com/previews/article/pro-evolution-soccer-2009-preview-for-xbox360.html

So if they have played the full game and say it is passing on rails then i tend to believe them. Your entitled to your opinion just don't try and pass it off as fact as it isn't. As me and Rob said above, some might like the game and some won't. Don't cry about it.
そう叫びはそれについての小さい雌犬行く :)

benjamsandwich28
13-10-2008, 12:11 PM
Mine is being 'Packed' hoorah!

Money taken from account and is awaiting dispatch. Hopefully i'll get it 2 days early like I have done the past 3 Pro Evos!

Thanks Play.com!

Robsk II
13-10-2008, 12:44 PM
****. Should've done the same, pre-ordered from Ama****. :(

benjamsandwich28
13-10-2008, 01:48 PM
POSTED! 13:20 Today!

Blimey, spose that means there's an outside chance it'll be here tomorrow!
:D

Tom
13-10-2008, 10:16 PM
Marco - judging the official video is hardly a decent basis. A video may well intend to convey the 'beauty' of the game or whatever rather than providing a good insight into how the game feels and plays. Why not judge it on the demo alone which you claim to have played? The video simply shouldn't come into a judgement on gameplay.

I'm not saying it's good for the sake of it, and that's an absurd accusation. I am not one to be blinkered. Clearly PES09 will still have its detractors, and still has its faults. The graphics engine is creaking, no doubt about it - BUT it looks pretty decent overall, and it is a step forwards from last year. I think the player models are generally better than FIFA, and the lighting has improved. They won't be able to get away with it any more, we all know it, but this years looks OK. The crowd is laughable, yes, but the d.o.f. effect helps. They have also done something like that on the pitch, which looks a bit better than before too - further away on the pitch looks further away, if that makes sense. We all know the stupid banners ("Celery"), too many konami adboards, etc are a ****ing joke.. little things alone, but as a package reek of stupidity and lack of attention to detail. They don't break the game, but they really do have a massive effect on the realism. Also, Konami clearly misses a trick a lot of the tie with its team research and so on. The animation will soon need reworking, too. Still - I reject your view that they are awful, and the grass and so on are better than before on PES. Not perfect, but not a **** up.

However - if I buy it, I will get the PC version, I will download patches and so on to render the license problems moot, and I will be playing at 1680x1050. It will look better than the console versions, probably. It'll come with all the custom sounds people make and so on, so I reckon it'll be the best way to play it. I may well try FIFA at some point - but the problem is, half the people said FIFA was great last year. It simply wasn't. it was a whole lot better than other versions of recent times, and i actually played it quite a lot. This, however, is what broke it for me. After a while, it became too easy. Goals started to feel samey, it was too easy to beat people, the animations looked cheesy, as did a lot of the graphics. I just got tired of it. The old PES games I would still be playing a year later, because at the end of the day, the game FELT better. Goals FELT worked for and never really easy, even when you dicked the computer. As it was, I got rid of FIFA last year, and ended up playing the admittedly relatively crappy PES08 instead. That says it all. I just expect the gameplay to be better in PES, and while I will reserve judgement, I sort of expect it to be the same deal - particularly given that it feels 'fixed' in PES from what I've seen in the demo.

Out of interest, where do you get your patches from? I use pesgaming.com but i sometimes dont know if theres a better website out there...?

FWIW every year i download one of the two games and always buy the one i like most for the online gaming side of it. I installed Fifa tonight and then the first thing i noticed that my joypad was not compatible for it (to which I had to download a 3rd party patch)... Fifa never changes, the main problem is the ball physics. Funnyily enough ive not played fifa consistantly since Fifa 2002.

Robsk II
13-10-2008, 11:34 PM
Hm, there are usually a few kicking about, and any of the more prominent community forums will probably have the same 'leading' ones as the most viewed or whatever. Pesgaming is one I have used in the past, but winningelevenblog.com seem reasonably decent and are preparing a decent OF in advance of release, though not for PC for some stupid reason, grr. Still - pesgaming certainly will have some stuff quickly, and yes, patching PC versions properly is much easier than console versions, though still not entirely straightforward if I recall. I hope someone has a decent fiddle with some of the stats this year, because some of it looks a long way off IMO. Walcott should have amazing speed, everyone knows this, but some 'name' players are crazily quick for no reason while Walcott is just moderately speedy. Fernando Torres, a genuinely big name nowadays, has a relatively slow dribble speed, or decidedly average, and from what I've seen of him, he's pretty nippy. Some of the points about aerial ability are a bit dodgy too, like some players being consistently beaten by others they'd often beat or at the very least contend with in the air. Overall though - I do think the engine will be rewarding this time around, which is great. I guess I'll get mine Friday or Saturday.

The9
14-10-2008, 02:45 AM
You know what, normally i would come back saying your full of **** etc.. etc.. but i really can't be bothered. If you want to believe there is no rail system and it is ALL about passing then you believe that. I couldn't care less. I read what the guys are saying in their reviews as i have only played the demo, i never said i owned the full game, like with the Fantasista comment where did i say i played that?? Your pulling assumptions out of your arse to try and sound intelligent. I will quote a line from a review on thunderbolt

The passing system is stuck in past generations, with players have to manually pass with the right analogue stick if they donít want to pass the ball seemingly on rails between team mates. This is an awkward configuration, especially considering that FIFA allows manual passing as standard.
http://www.thunderboltgames.com/previews/article/pro-evolution-soccer-2009-preview-for-xbox360.html

So if they have played the full game and say it is passing on rails then i tend to believe them. Your entitled to your opinion just don't try and pass it off as fact as it isn't. As me and Rob said above, some might like the game and some won't. Don't cry about it.
そう叫びはそれについての小さい雌犬行く :)

Well, the first thing is that the final game is the same as the demo, so not sure what your issue with having your own opinion rather than someone else's is.

You'll forgive me for never having read anything from Thunderbolt games, but what they've said is cobblers anyway. The right stick allows manual passing of any length, on the ground and in the air, in 8 directions. That's about as free as you'd want, given that you can also do a controlled pass towards the nearest teammate in any direction. In PES bad players will pass it reasonably near to the closest player in the selected direction, and good players will pass it accurately. That's pretty much all there is to that.

The rail running stuff is nonsense, and a 5 year old criticism that was addressed that long ago by allowing the controlling human to override the player following the straightest path to meet the ball (and allow sprinting to intercept it earlier).

And what's that about crying like a little b1tch you've put in Japanese ? Very big of you, but clearly not very clever.

No crying here, just lots of proving you really don't know the subject as well as you like to portray. As happened with Fantasista, which I absolutely didn't say you had played, I said you clearly hadn't played, as you rattled on about the irrelevant manual cursors rather than the thing Become a Legend is actually based on from a Japanese PS2 game of summer 2007.

Oh and 大きいヘルペス乗られたゴリラの球を吸う . :D

Rob, the reason there's no PC OF is purely Kitserver, the vast number of easily importable graphics already online, and the ease of modding the game using GGS and AFS Explorer. Why do an OF when you can amend the original game code almost as easily ?

There's a GREAT PES stats debating website around somewhere too, all the comparisons in all the positions. The stats Db needs some work, but at least it actually matters in the game.

Oh and I'm off work on Friday, because having said I'd be renting first, the demo has convinced me I'll be picking it up at midnight again. And I fully expect online to suck (at best), and for Konami to bring out an online transfer update which may well knacker everyone's advance OFs ! The WENB one looks better than PESFan so far, the latter don't seem to have the detail right.

PS If anyone's flogging a PS3 cheap I may be interested, bloody import .png mode...

Robsk II
14-10-2008, 09:58 AM
The reasons for OFs on the PC is that kitserver doesn't change line-ups etc. Someone still needs to sort all the transfers and so on - and it's unlikely we'll see a good patch for a bit so an OF can plug the holes for a bit.

thesaint sfc
14-10-2008, 11:22 AM
How do you play a football game on the PC? Madness! I'm all for PC games but I simply couldn't do that.

Robsk II
14-10-2008, 12:02 PM
Out of interest, why not? That's a stupid statement. You can get PC controllers in PS or Xbox style that are perfectly fine. The graphics are almost always better, the sound set-up etc depends on how good a system you have, and it's often going to be superior to a console. For me it is, anyway, and I've got a 22" monitor and a good system, which is nice, and can run PES at 1680 by 1050.

Oh, yes, and as mentioned above, it's much more customisable and easier to do so.

Evil Monkey
14-10-2008, 12:03 PM
Can someone tell me if I should trade Fifa in for Pro when it comes out, thanks.

Robsk II
14-10-2008, 12:17 PM
Opinions?

I know what you're doing Evil Monkey but I won't spoil your fun.

Evil Monkey
14-10-2008, 03:45 PM
Opinions?

I know what you're doing Evil Monkey but I won't spoil your fun.

What am I doing Rob?

I bought Fifa last week, not overly impressed with it. Just want to know definitively, which is the better game. Always bought PES in the past, but thought Fifa was meant to be the nuts this year. I dont want to trade it in, then find out the PES is even worse, so was searching for advice.

Baj
14-10-2008, 05:41 PM
Jesus, someone on this thread is in serious jeopardy of stealing my thrown as forums most arrogant, opinionated tosser... trouble is I can't make my mind up who.

St Marco
14-10-2008, 06:52 PM
Well, the first thing is that the final game is the same as the demo, so not sure what your issue with having your own opinion rather than someone else's is.

You'll forgive me for never having read anything from Thunderbolt games, but what they've said is cobblers anyway. The right stick allows manual passing of any length, on the ground and in the air, in 8 directions. That's about as free as you'd want, given that you can also do a controlled pass towards the nearest teammate in any direction. In PES bad players will pass it reasonably near to the closest player in the selected direction, and good players will pass it accurately. That's pretty much all there is to that.

The rail running stuff is nonsense, and a 5 year old criticism that was addressed that long ago by allowing the controlling human to override the player following the straightest path to meet the ball (and allow sprinting to intercept it earlier).

And what's that about crying like a little b1tch you've put in Japanese ? Very big of you, but clearly not very clever.

No crying here, just lots of proving you really don't know the subject as well as you like to portray. As happened with Fantasista, which I absolutely didn't say you had played, I said you clearly hadn't played, as you rattled on about the irrelevant manual cursors rather than the thing Become a Legend is actually based on from a Japanese PS2 game of summer 2007.

Oh and 大きいヘルペス乗られたゴリラの球を吸う . :D

Rob, the reason there's no PC OF is purely Kitserver, the vast number of easily importable graphics already online, and the ease of modding the game using GGS and AFS Explorer. Why do an OF when you can amend the original game code almost as easily ?

There's a GREAT PES stats debating website around somewhere too, all the comparisons in all the positions. The stats Db needs some work, but at least it actually matters in the game.

Oh and I'm off work on Friday, because having said I'd be renting first, the demo has convinced me I'll be picking it up at midnight again. And I fully expect online to suck (at best), and for Konami to bring out an online transfer update which may well knacker everyone's advance OFs ! The WENB one looks better than PESFan so far, the latter don't seem to have the detail right.

PS If anyone's flogging a PS3 cheap I may be interested, bloody import .png mode...

Firstly my Japanese was made up by my Japanese collegue to test you = you obviously put it in a translator so thus have no clue about Japanese. Secondly your Japanese is again obviously taken from a translator because it makes zero sense. I get the jist of what your trying to say but lets put it this way i'm sure you probably have a lot of experience in that area so would know all about them ;)

Thirdly again with the assumptions. I never once said anything about Fantasista....I have no idea what your talking about. All i can remember about that is we were talking about Be a Pro in Fifa and in PES. I said they have revolutioned that by making it 10vs10 online and by allowing you to have a career where you play as one person and move from team to team via transfers and maybe get called up to the national side and so on. You replied by saying Fantasista revolutioned it, i never argued that. However after doing a bit more reading i find it is not quite what you say. It would appear your talking about Winning 11 2007 and talking about "Fantasista Mode". Also i read on the Evo forums that it doesn't work in the sense there is loads wrong with it. Mainly your team mates get the ball and run straight into an opponent and lose possesion.. So while they might have technically done Be a Pro first this generation the two modes are very different it would seem. But either way the point is not how it plays but the fact they came up with it first. Which they didn't. Another point which you clearly missed was i mentioned games that came up with the idea of controlling one player long ago. There is a game called "Total Control Football" that was made in 1996. That is 11 years before Konami did it. There are various other games too which allow the progression of one player in lots of different games. In 1992 Nintendo made a game called Super Soccer that had the on the pitch view.

So no i never claimed to know about World Fantasista. I never claimed i know all about PES (even if i have played every version since ISS excluding the Jap versions) and so on. I based my views on what i myself have seen and read. If i read others views such as on the evo forums now and read their complaints about this years game then again that is their opinions. A lot of their opinions i agree with and a lot i don't. I don't claim to know everything about the series in terms of it's history of Fifa and PES. I'm just a guy who plays them. I have PES09 for my PC. It's ****. But it can be updated with various patches/files and i can live with that.

So now we have gathered that i don't know everything about PES your point was what exactly?

Tom
15-10-2008, 09:10 AM
you could play as one player in John Barnes' european soccer on the Amiga in 1992!

Danny
15-10-2008, 11:18 AM
Jesus, someone on this thread is in serious jeopardy of stealing my thrown as forums most arrogant, opinionated tosser...

TBH, I think that happened quite sometime ago.

Robsk II
15-10-2008, 11:32 AM
Which is pretty amazing within itself ;)

St Landrew
15-10-2008, 03:25 PM
All this talk of Pro Evolution Soccer has got me looking at my old copy of PES4. I've still got my all-conquering Saints team on there, halfway through a season on Level 6. Way out of date though. The only actual players that are there are Lallana and Gillet. And I retired Michael Svensson because I thought he'd never come back in real life.

Of course, I may still not be completely wrong. :(

ant
16-10-2008, 01:33 PM
Still torn between getting this and FIFA. Enjoyed the FIFA demo a lot more and the game modes look plenty enticing, but I always used to be a PES sorta guy. Might have to rent PES to check it out properly.

Oh, as an aside, could a member make a PSN ID thread? I'm waiting on my subscription so I can't do it yet. Most of my mates have 360s, so it would be good to populate my PS3 friends a bit more!

Mine is amplifiedAnt, everybody is welcome to add me, though I may ask who the hell you are if your username is different to on here :)

Robsk II
16-10-2008, 04:37 PM
I will perhaps have a look at FIFA, but I actually do think the gameplay is OK in PES09. That's the #1 thing I play it for, and I think if you approach the game in the right way and with the right expectations, it will be good.

doggface
16-10-2008, 11:58 PM
got it after work today, sholing video have sold it since weds!!! great game, edit mode is sweet how do I upload a photo of my edited saints shirt in the game onto the forum? looking good already!

thesaint sfc
17-10-2008, 02:24 PM
After playing the demo last night I cancelled the order. It's alright - but not enough improvements from last year for me. Fifa is better.

Shame - I used to be similar to the9 and be only for PES.

Saints Noog
17-10-2008, 06:45 PM
Anybody played Uefa Champions League mode and not got the:

47. UEFA Champions League Debut
A title awarded when you play for the first time in UEFA Champions League.

Achievement?

Johnny Shearer
17-10-2008, 11:01 PM
Is this out yet? Or is it not for another couple of weeks?

The9
18-10-2008, 12:41 AM
Firstly my Japanese was made up by my Japanese collegue to test you = you obviously put it in a translator so thus have no clue about Japanese. Secondly your Japanese is again obviously taken from a translator because it makes zero sense. I get the jist of what your trying to say but lets put it this way i'm sure you probably have a lot of experience in that area so would know all about them ;)

Thirdly again with the assumptions. I never once said anything about Fantasista....I have no idea what your talking about. All i can remember about that is we were talking about Be a Pro in Fifa and in PES. I said they have revolutioned that by making it 10vs10 online and by allowing you to have a career where you play as one person and move from team to team via transfers and maybe get called up to the national side and so on. You replied by saying Fantasista revolutioned it, i never argued that. However after doing a bit more reading i find it is not quite what you say. It would appear your talking about Winning 11 2007 and talking about "Fantasista Mode". Also i read on the Evo forums that it doesn't work in the sense there is loads wrong with it. Mainly your team mates get the ball and run straight into an opponent and lose possesion.. So while they might have technically done Be a Pro first this generation the two modes are very different it would seem. But either way the point is not how it plays but the fact they came up with it first. Which they didn't. Another point which you clearly missed was i mentioned games that came up with the idea of controlling one player long ago. There is a game called "Total Control Football" that was made in 1996. That is 11 years before Konami did it. There are various other games too which allow the progression of one player in lots of different games. In 1992 Nintendo made a game called Super Soccer that had the on the pitch view.

So no i never claimed to know about World Fantasista. I never claimed i know all about PES (even if i have played every version since ISS excluding the Jap versions) and so on. I based my views on what i myself have seen and read. If i read others views such as on the evo forums now and read their complaints about this years game then again that is their opinions. A lot of their opinions i agree with and a lot i don't. I don't claim to know everything about the series in terms of it's history of Fifa and PES. I'm just a guy who plays them. I have PES09 for my PC. It's ****. But it can be updated with various patches/files and i can live with that.

So now we have gathered that i don't know everything about PES your point was what exactly?

Funnily enough once I'd run the translation from English to Japanese and back again I was happy to post it, that was kind of the point.

I have been thinking of learning Japanese, the only phrases I know at the moment are SHOOOOTOOOOO and HEADING-A.

I haven't read the rest of your post, I've been too busy playing PES2009.

The9
18-10-2008, 12:42 AM
After playing the demo last night I cancelled the order. It's alright - but not enough improvements from last year for me. Fifa is better.

Shame - I used to be similar to the9 and be only for PES.

Hey, I'll play whatever I like better, don't get fanboy-tagging on me.

Rory
24-10-2008, 10:03 AM
I personally think this version of Pro is pretty good. I've only played a fraction of FIFA and I much prefer Pro. People will soon get bored of FIFA as the multi-player on Pro always wins the day.

Robsk II
24-10-2008, 11:57 AM
I like it so far in the main, although the single player doesn't challenge me a lot. BAL mode is fine, but the AI in it seems to be pretty damn ****, which is my biggest gripe so far. Team-mates just lose the ball continually, even in defence, very rarely doing much of use, don't use space well, don't play the ball at the right time, etc. Is still OK, am second season in, started at Villa having scored in my Babalayna game, switched to Newcastle, now hovering around 4th/5th with 15 games of the season left. I'm getting better stats wise, but still having to rely on me rather than my chap. Am playing CM, 3 assists, 2 goals, 4 MOMs.

Colinjb
24-10-2008, 03:24 PM
I got it together with my new 360 Elite on Monday. I am really enjoying it, already edited Saints in (and they look alright!) am really enjoying BAL mode and find it excellent. (I literally jumped up and went crazy when I scored two on my Debut for Sparta Rotterdam after coming off the bench with 15 minutes to go!)

Tried the FIFA demo, it seems to be a more 'realistic' and feasable interpretation of football on the surface, but PES is so close behind its not really worth fretting about.

The9
31-10-2008, 11:34 PM
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v359/195/35/708351930/n708351930_1415601_1143.jpg

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v359/195/35/708351930/n708351930_1415603_3755.jpg

Some bloke that knows his sh1t working on these, though I bet he wishes he had a PS3 where editing's a piece of pee. ;).

The9
01-11-2008, 12:04 AM
FWIW, Templates for Saints kits :

HOME
Shirt
73 Red, 3 Black, 4 White, 7 Red, Basic 2 White
Short
19 White, 8 Red, X, Basic Black
Socks
6 Red, 14 White, Basic Red
Name
8, Top, Type 2, Black, Gold (RGB 18/15/0)
Number
9, Black, Gold.
Short Number
Left, White, Gold.

AWAY
Shirt
3 Red, 23 White, 55 Charcoal (RGB 6/6/8 ), 33 White, Basic Charcoal.
Short
19 White, 32 Red, 8 Red, Basic Charcoal.
Socks
11 Charcoal, 10 white, Basic Charcoal
Name
8, Top, Type 2, Red, Gold (RGB 18/15/0)
Number
9, Red, Gold.
Short Number
Left, Red, Gold.

ALTERNATIVE RED AWAY SHORTS/SOCKS (from Doncaster match) :
Short
19 White, 32 White, 8 White, Basic Red
Socks
11 Red, 10 White, Basic Red
Short Number
Left, White, Gold.

The issues, to save anyone banging on about them :
Home Shirt : Red panel on shoulder isn't QUITE the right size and the white meshy bit can't be created cos there aren't enough layers - Though if you wanted the white meshy bit the number 23 style will do it for you (but you get the lines continuing on the back too, and you'll have to sarcifice the white bit on the collar).
The emblem won't be in the right place, it should be on the camera-right red stripe but Konami places it automatically half way across that stripe and the white one.
Home Shorts : The White piece is fine, but the red trim is only representative of thin red lines and isn't in the exact right place - though it does a nice thing with the small amount of red trim on the bottom seam of the shorts. Anyone who wants a bigger red bit there can use the small Nike seam piece (as seen on old Brazil and Arsenal kits) which is one of the last shorts styles. There's no V in the middle of the back of the shorts, it just can't be done with the available patterns.
Home Socks A couple too many hoops admittedly, but the white turnover is correct and there's nothing resembling the Umbro diamond pattern to create that.

Away Shirt : NB If you create the Umbro logo on the kit (don't save it as an emblem, use the other type of editable area for the whole shirt front) you'll need to use a different Umbro logo from the one on the home kit or it overlaps the piping. There's red trim alongside the white lines on the actual kit but that can't be done due to the 4 layer limit, so I've used white lines as there's plenty of red in the numbers already. The piping continues onto the back of the shirt, and there are no templates that can cover this without ruining the piping effect on the front.

Away Shorts Same style as the home kit, same issues.
Away Socks Again no Diamond logos, but the area of plain colour at the top of the sock means the thin extra line under the main sock hoop is the only problem.


Alt away shorts/socks image http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/uploads/images/sep_08/sfc_1222702270_DoncastervsSAINTS16001.jpg
Away kit in game (no adverts at the mo)
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v359/195/35/708351930/n708351930_1415604_5527.jpg
Hull shorts (same Umbro style as Saints) as illustration.
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v359/195/35/708351930/n708351930_1466736_1444.jpg

The9
01-11-2008, 12:16 AM
Just noticed, if you do the Alternative Red shorts as in the pics above, there's no big white flash on the short, so the Design 8 layer should be off (or possibly just red like the rest of the shorts) rather than white.

Wish I had an edit button on this site, but I'm still begrudging the fiver at the moment ! ;)

Oh, and here's a pic of the standard away kit for the hell of it

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/uploads/images/aug_08/sfc_1219533156_Derby_Gallery11.jpg

Saint_clark
01-11-2008, 08:57 AM
Have you got it on PS3 The9?

Bentley
01-11-2008, 11:24 AM
Quite a nerdy spot, but I can tell you he hasn't got it on the PS3, as the blue 'X' in the first screen would tell you it's a 360 shot.

saintsforlife7
01-11-2008, 11:42 AM
I took a picture of the Badge, Sponsor and Umbro badge in one shot for out kits, so I have all 3 on mine and have to edit the kit around this

Saint_clark
01-11-2008, 01:41 PM
Quite a nerdy spot, but I can tell you he hasn't got it on the PS3, as the blue 'X' in the first screen would tell you it's a 360 shot.

I thought that was someone elses work....

Bentley
01-11-2008, 02:30 PM
I thought that was someone elses work....

You're right, trust me to not notice he wrote something underneath!

Colinjb
01-11-2008, 03:10 PM
I took a picture of the Badge, Sponsor and Umbro badge in one shot for out kits, so I have all 3 on mine and have to edit the kit around this

How do you get it to accept 2 emblems? I have the saints badge on mine and the sponsor, but thats it.

saintsforlife7
02-11-2008, 08:38 PM
The photo I have of each kit has all 3, so whack that on and turn the emblem off so you use the 1 from the picture that has all 3 and work around that? If that doesn't help PM because I'm not sure I understand

The9
10-11-2008, 11:59 PM
You're right, trust me to not notice he wrote something underneath!

No, that was all my own doing, thanks that "some bloke knows his sh1t" thing was me being ironic !

And yes, on 360, but the templates are exactly the same on the PS3 - though if you've got any sense you'll just import the images from one of the many MANY patches already out there for too-easy PS3 Option Files ;)

To answer the question of how you get all that stuff on one picture, it's as follows (for the in-game editor, i.e. 360 users, cos as I've said, PS3 users can just import stuff saved to USB from photoshop or whatever and there's loads of png files already on evo-web and PESFan and PESRepublic and PESGaming etc. Aaaaanyway :

(Assuming you already have your Emblem created and saved in the Emblems), you just make a Chest logo for the whole shirt front with all the emblem and sponsors on it and switch off the emblem, as said above

Go to Kit Marking


Choose Chest Logo : Custom
Choose "Custom" again, cos Konami are nobbers
"Create from Scratch"
"Draw Yourself"
Then select "Images" > "Emblem" and choose your emblem from those shown (max 40).
Decide where on the shirt you want that emblem, moving it around with the left stick (don't use the right stick unless you want to stretch or shrink it).
Press A (or X on a PS3) to paste the emblem where you want it.
Press the "back" button which is red B on 360, whatever the right button is on PS3, O I think ?
If you have a sponsor already saved to the front shirt image file re-select "Images" to add that, move it around, lock it in place with A, etc.
Keep adding images and logos til you are done. If you don't have any logos, either download an Option File and use Xport/Xsata or PS3 it, or just start drawing the things in the pixel editor... it will take ages on 360. If you do it on PS3 you are a lunatic.
When finished, Confirm and save to a free slot, there are 200 shirt fronts, more than enough for all the unlicensed teams, even with 2 outfield and 2 GK shirts for each.


I'd recommend you get your re-usable manufacturer's logos sorted first, as they can be used over and over again.

And vitally, if you use the Eraser tool you create the checkerboard "transparency", allowing you just to add what you want and leave the rest the colour of the background. One thing worth knowing, it stretches the sponsor across the middle of the shirt, so try a few sizings before you do too much detail, cos it might look perfect on the pixel editor screen but rubbish on the shirt itself.

Oh, btw I've had a closer look at the Saints shorts and I reckon you should get rid of the white flashes (the #19 template) from the front of the red shorts, cos I think that contrast colour is actually not on the alternative shorts.

So alternate red shorts would be:
Short
32 White, 8 White, Empty, Basic Red
Socks
11 Red, 10 White, Basic Red
Short Number
Left, White, Gold.

Might be able to improve on that, but haven't tried yet. I'm still baing annoyed that I can't get my Saints emblem (or indeed any emblem) out of my Mem Unit OF and into another Option File cos all the emblems are tied to the Option File, even though the Uniform Files can be mixed and matched across different saves.

Though wait a minute, if I back up my HDD to my PC, load the Mem Unit with the Saints emblem, create a shirt front with the Saints emblem on it, save that to the HDD and then remove the Uniform file from the Game Save with the Xport, I'll at least have a shirt front I can import with the badge on it and I'm going to have to create the flybe logo from scratch anyway.

I'll give it a go... when I'm free on Thursday or something. How is it 1am ? :)

The9
11-11-2008, 01:22 AM
Hm, ok I did it just now, you can't do it, and I've accidentally solved Colinjb's question as well, I think...

...you can only have more than 2 items on a chest logo if you're using the HDD for storage. And you can never have more than 2 emblems per team, though you can have 200 chest logos overall.

Basically if you're using the Mem Unit to store the OF, you're restricted to only 2 images per team whether they're Emblems or Chest logos (i.e. shirt fronts).

*I think*.

Just testing copying my Mem Unit 001 and 002 Uniform files to the HDD using the 360 Data Manager to see if it'll let me, that would give me a (crap) flybe and umbro logo at least!!!

The9
11-11-2008, 01:37 AM
Ok, well at least THAT works, so if you have your shirt fronts stuck on your Mem Unit you CAN get them onto the HDD save file just using the in game Memory manager - but as the files can't be renamed from Uniform001 and Uniform002 you'll have to make sure the HDD files in slots 001 and 002 are either blank or that you have a copy of them in a different slot first.

If you just copy the Uniform001 and Uniform002 using the Memory application you can only overwrite the existing files.

But at least you can get the kit fronts off the Mem Card without using a 3rd Party application - though not the bloody emblems (and there's a checksum calculation stopping people hacking the bin file and creating an emblem/OF editor at the moment, if you change the emblem files on the OF.bin using a 3rd party application they just don't work in the game apparently).

That'll be my last post for 24 hours then unless someone wants to pay my fiver to Steve or Baj ! ;).

adriansfc
18-11-2008, 11:39 AM
Anyone got the patch for PES09? Change much? Is there any way to download new kits etc for ps3?

I wasn't hugely impressed with pes09. Although the champs league mode is excellent and the game looks very good, some controls are slightly frustrating. Still, I played fifa09 for a while, and although it's improved, it's just not as good. You don't feel as in control, it doesn't feel as real. Maybe they will catch up, and the pes team do need to sort things out with licences as everyone is getting fed up with it, but just for gameplay it's still the only choice. just a few games on fifa and already we were scoring 5 or 6 each per game. on pro evo you always see goals you know you just wouldn't get on fifa.

still, would like to see the CCC included next year. it is afterall one of the biggest supported leagues in the world isn't it?