CB Fry

Get big boy and Adam Armstrong on at 60 minutes to win the game #mixer #scraps #littleun

Agree with this. Always the laziest of slurs - Puel used it get it as well "he's just a yes-man" when it was obvious to anyone sane that Claude was a stubborn old bugger who did things his way, for good or ill. Jones whatever we think of his ability, is no yes-man or "puppet". Just a dopey assessment.

I thought their work permits weren't completed. Good news if they can come off the bench today. Just to mix it up.

I'm still waiting to understand what it is in your opinion that make Nathan Jones not a Sean Dyche style manager. The problem is every time the topic comes up you describe attributes of a manager and a team which you want and they are exactly the attributes of Sean Dyche or his teams.

Remember you were pleased with Jones appointment because he wasn't a "Dyche style manager" (no one knows what this actually means) but also why oh why can't our manager be like Sean Dyche.

The Leeds fans didn't hate Clough because he was a terrible manager (he had also won the league in recent times), they hated him because he hated them and used to slag off Leeds and Revie etc etc. So the Jones scenario not quite the same. Nathan Jones, for example, is not going off to another club and winning two European Cups for a start, no matter how bloody "aggressive" his future teams are.

Just won the league under Revie I think.

Maybe - apart from the goalie we are perfectly good enough on paper. The thing that might help us is West Ham or Leicester going mad and sacking their experienced managers, the disruption maybe might help them down on the mix (say if West Ham go mad and appoint Mark Noble or something). We do need some other teams to screw themselves.

Some time around Mid March we will win two games in a row and everyone will get excited and look-he's-proved-you-all-wrong etc etc. But relegated teams do win some matches, they don't lose all of them. We're going down, there is no way there are 3 others worse than us. Fulham having such a great season (and Brentford refusing to deliver a second season syndrome slump) have really screwed us. There's not enough real competition for relegation, just a load of rich enough clubs that in the end will be fine (Leicester, West Ham etc).

We don't need anything remotely like 26 points to be safe. Jesus wept.

Personally I think Jones tenure at Saints will be so long that his replacement hasn't even been born yet.

DID WE WIN THE B TEAM GAME?

But within a couple of months Ralph had turned things in the right direction, Koeman had and (the most accurate equivalent to Jones unpopular appointment) Pochettino had. The new players need to click, quick.

I certainly will, but only when I get really fed up with the "look, we're only two wins from safety" stuff when we're 6 points adrift.

Forecasting that the team at the bottom of the league are going to win every single game they play is a common condition on this forum, and we see it on here every season, usually between February and Easter. Except, of course, when the team at the bottom of the league is us, and then no one thinks that.

Sorry i is washing my hair's. We're never going to agree - fans' means "fanses" and boys' means "boyses" - you don't ever need to say it where would you need that apostrophe. Sorry absolutely a geek topic and right now I've got a girls party to go to.

Possession means ownership. The fans don't own the forum, it doesn't belong to them, it's for them. Fans forum. (Boys' party would be pretty dreadful English as well, to be honest. I can't really think of a scenario where you wouldn't be better off just saying Boys Party)

Oof, that's dreadful. What are they teaching in school's these days?

Sorry, it is normal. The club decided to go left field and recruit someone the entire fan base would not have picked, that guy has got an uphill struggle from day one. Not entirely his fault but he should have known he was not going to get a grace period. Pochettino came in to a similar, maybe more toxic situation. If the club had recruited an exciting name - as we did with Koeman and Hasenhuttl - then the fanbase naturally more patient because there's a level of confidence that this guy should come good. The main difference is all those managerial appointments starting working very very quickly and could build momentum. What you seem to want is the fanbase to hero worship a bloke who has rocked up from Stoke like he's some Alan Ball type saviour and then when he makes a dreadful start, still treat him like some kind of hero. He needed to win fans over, like Pochettino did. He hasn't, yet, and he has a hell of a job to do. But that's on him. Not us.

No it won't contribute. If we win matches because of good team selection, tactics, motivation, endeavour, effort then there won't be a poisonous atmosphere. If we keep losing in the league then the atmosphere won't be great. But just be clear on which way round this works.

We won't get relegated because of a "poisonous atmosphere". Just typical "blame the fans" rubbish.

He has lost 5 league games out of 6, from a bunch of games perfectly placed for a new manager bounce. You're making out that the fans moaning is some unreasonable thing. He was recruited entirely to keep us up and we're worse off now than before he started. Let's see if we can actually "win a few" in your "Sadly, some fans" scenario first, shall we, before you make up what you think people's reactions might be.

Apologies if someone has already posted this. This must be what it was like to support Jack Walker's Blackburn.

Jesus wept, talk about myth making. Hint: he didn't leave fir Liverpool because of a couple of posts on this forum and maybe a few terrace groans from his first couple of matches two years prior.

The write up in The Athletic on our deadline day signings is quite heartening. If this Sulemana really is a Mane Mark two, and Onuacho settles (and starts scoring) quickly, then maybe I will start believing we can stay up. But my worries remain about a liability goalkeeper and an erratic (I'll be generous) manager. As I said yesterday I don't really get why we couldn't have got Onuacho earlier in the window.