CB Fry

No he hasn't. Top ten and top six are completely different prospects. We could be top ten, we couldn't be top six.

Not so much chicken and egg as incremental gains/declines from natural or starting level. Shane Long would be better under Poch. Kane would be worse under Pellegrino. This is just about them as managers and What they get out of players in general. I'm not considering managers having favourites or particular player enjoying playing for one boss, also known as the Kevin Nolan/Paul Telfer rule. That's a separate thing.

I'd like to see them, or Gabbiadini or Boufal or Lemina or Oriel or Cedric or even JWP playing for Pochettino. Something inside me reckons he'd get more out of them. If you genuinely think we'd be bottom three if we had Pochettino in charge then I've got nothing to say really.

Nah, not true. Romeu was just a easy platitude, he's hardly going to say different. It's not about the micro management of "standing behind each player for 90 minutes" (whoever thought a manager does that??) but it is about strategy, game management, people management, creating a culture of success, recognised standards, discipline, incremental gains, providing focus, a positive working environment and so on and so on. I haven't even mentioned picking the flipping team. Our manager has destroyed the team by being sh it at most of the above. I don't know what bits he is actually sh it at because I'm not there but the output of it is what dribbles out on to the pitch each week. Rubbish. He's not manager for "90 minutes", he's manager for every day, every training session, every debrief, every planning meeting, every team build, every decision, every argument, every bust-up, every bonding session. We also know he picks terrible sides and often terrible tactics - that much we can see. In the 90 mins he's clearly terrible. If you dropped our Mauricio in place of that other famous Mauricio, do you think Spurs would do just as well as now? Because it's all about the players right? Pellegrino for Pep?

Exactly right, seems the club really has been consumed by it's own spin - I think they genuinely think they think they look in control of the situation and they think they look above/better than other clubs by not sacking him. It's so strange that the narrative of finishing top 8/challenging for Europe has been diminished into clinging on to our league status just because we refuse to sack someone who is patently incapable of delivering that. We could have sacked this guy in November and be challenging top 8 right now. But smug pig-headed pride has stopped us doing what any other club would have done. Our media perception of being a "well run club" is shot to sh it whether we stay up or not. The Paul Merson/Talksport/rent-a-pundit truisms of "you can't keep selling your best players etc etc" AND "who do SFC think they are if they sack a manager who took them to 8th" will have both been proven correct if we finish 17th or 20th. We've gifted them being proven right on a plate. The idea that the club think that them smugly saying "look at us sticking by the manager" is going to trump those notions is a joke - the season has been a total failure, staying up or not. So, here we are kamikaze-ing out the league for what? Some Argentine barely any Saints fan had even heard of this time last year. What the actual fu ck.

"This is complete guess work of course" No sh it mate.

Well, it's obvious we're not sacking him before Saturday, and I'll assume that he's safe for Burnley as well - if the board haven't got the wherewithal to sack him for being in the bottom three after 27 matches, then they will easily brush off a cup exit. So you're wasting your time looking at it day by day. It won't be today, it won't be tomorrow, it won't be the next day. I've given up on us ever sacking him now, apart from maybe with three games to go when we're already down and Kelvin gets to bounce around on the touchline for "the proudest day of my life" on the front of the programme or some such bol locks. The best guide to our inaction is the transfer windows and this will be much the same. A club utterly destroyed by inertia and appalling non-decisions.

The President and the Vice-President have said their thoughts and prayers are with the victims so I don't really know what else they could possibly do.

Pretty sure if you asked a Sheffield Wednesday fan that, they'd look at you like you were some kind of retard. But hats off on delivering the most spectacular of responses to what is a pretty straightforward hypothetical question. The question is relegation and winning the cup THIS season. Whatever happens after that is just for the winds of fate. Because, you see, we could get relegated anyway. Really, really fu cking simple. Keep up.

But we could stay up this season, and then next season have an even worse season, finish bottom and then we could instantly turn into Charlton and Blackpool and Coventry and waah waaah waah waah waah. Man up.

Who is saying that we need to go down to win things? (Clue: absolutely no one). The discussion is about win a cup + get relegated in the same season which has happened to clubs in recent memory so is a not unrealistic possibility. Also, we've won just 5 games in the league this season so god knows what point you're making.

Yeah, I think you missed the man up bit. Give it a try. All of those things could happen if we don't win a cup.

Fine by me. I live in Derby, they've been in the Championship for years. Still have loads of passionate fans. Two games a week loads of times through the season. Packed out Boxing Day. The only thing if truly miss if we went down is streaming. Man up.

To be honest I'm warming to the "sign rubbish players to asset strip six months later" thoery. I mean if the grand plan to asset strip everything then you might as well guarantee that the player we are flogging are no good so can asset strip super-quickly for cheap prices or something. It's completely plausible.

This far better than a €30m winger. Great stuff Saints.

Why bother buying Carrillo then? And why on earth would Liverpool want Boufal?

The fact that you have used the word "coach" marks you out as clearly not representative of the "average fan". Run along and tell Uncle Les that you done a post on the forum like he told you to.

You're right. I mean how could a season or two in the Championship compare to the exquisite and supreme delights of the world class Premier League football we've seen in the last eighteen months. Just let us win a cup and I can cope with anything else.

Why does anyone need to do that? I'd take relegation and winning the FA Cup all day long and twice on Sundays. I'd take relegation and winning the league cup to be honest. I just want us to have some actual "honours". I wanted that when I used to look at our page in the Panini books in the 80s and I still think it now. Why have we won f uck all?

I thought it was obvious last week that they were down, now we can see they're truly truly gone. They could win three games on the spin and still be bottom 3. They'll need about 16 points from their remaining games, a run of form that is top 8 standard. Not going to happen now. So thats one gone, two spots to go.

Absolute effing insanity that he hasn't been sacked. Don't worry about a replacement. We can draw a name out of a hat of season ticket holders to put a team out and do the team talk on Saturday. We've got time to get a replacement in, and there will be applicants. Just get him out. Now.

Roger is on the record saying you'd be better than Mark Hughes.

Where has Batman done that? Adkins has no track record in the Premier League and has struggled in L1 since leaving us. Hughes has as good a pedigree as we could reasonably expect - he is, on every single conceivable measure, better than Adkins.

It's okay, I've found a manager who is available. He's worked extensively in one of the four top European leagues and in the full seasons he has managed spread between four separate clubs he has finished 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 9th, 9th, 10th, 10th and 13th. He also had a calendar year of two half seasons at another club which wasn't great but he did save them from relegation in the first half season. Every single one of these finishes were since the last time Gordon Strachan managed in the Premier League so at least he has recent relevant experience. Any way, on paper sounds like as good a candidate as we could expect to get. Hes available and we are a bit desperate. Anyway, I'll not say his name, needless to say some would say he is foreign with a weird accent for English football. PM me if you want to be ITK.

If he was called Marco Julio with the exact same record of multiple top ten/top eight/top six finishes with multiple La Liga clubs people would be in fu cking raptures of excitement.