CB Fry

Let's see. That turnout might be inspired young previously apathetic remainers or it might a molten raging lump of previously apathetic working class brexiteers. People that have never voted before can't be predicted so well, despite pollsters and bookies.

Either way looking like a knife edge night.

Er, 52% / 48% It's on the TV now.

Odd. It looks legit (in that his profile and tweets he is a real person not a nutcase/tweetbot).

I must have missed some of the results come in - what's the latest?

Get behind the trumped up forum codswallop FFS.

As far as I know there isn't an exit poll. That's the one that was pretty much bang on last year. It was the Paddy Ashdown eat-my-hat poll and he scoffed that mother. Not sure why they're not doing it this time but they're not. So I think any poll will be yet another poll/Web thing so not necessarily any more accurate.

Yes it was. Repeated over and over again. If you're talking about "explicit statements" and "evidence" would you mind telling me who specifically has left because they specifically don't like working with "Uncle Les" or find it not pleasant? And how might this compare with a similar level of discontent with a Jeremy Peace or a Franco Baldini or any other senior manager at any football club in Britain?

Media whores.

Always a reliable source of forum gold.

You expecting me to listen to that guy over somebody incredibly well informed and in no way a mentalist on Bletchweb?

How do you know how we are negotiating and what our tactics are? We've done very well negotiating up to now. Les making faux-tough statements publicly make no difference at all to any negotiations and just provides a stick for people like you to beat him with when we do sell. And the new manager is irrelevant in most cases - if Victor has said to Saints I am going to Spurs whoever the new manager is and whatever you offer me, then what is this new manager going to "assess"? He is going and that's it. Bizarre.

Many clubs would be right to do that.

I've never bet on anything at all in my entire life. But yeah, you've really got me there.

"Leicester decided that they would sell Jamie Vardy for £20m in February 2016 when it was included in his contract extension" They have also "decided" to do this with other players. Their best players in fact. In fact, they have decided to sell their best players.

Leicester didn't decide anything - Vardy had a release clause, therefore a clear price tag on his head. They'd decided what they would sell him for six months ago when he signed his last contract. Vardy himself decided to stay, for various reasons.

People will continue to complain but in Scotland that result has stuck and it is over. Sturgeon cannot go again without a significant change (EU vote might be that). 55% is enough of a mandate and there is precedent. Less than that and it's dicier.

I can't see how anything below 55% can be a mandate for anything. 55% was Scotland so that's the bench mark so that's that. Over. But 52% - either way - is frankly not good enough and as you quite rightly say a sh it storm. That close and the vote results will fracture - There will be MPs saying "my constituents did not vote for this result" and refusing to carry any leave/remain ratification bill through parliament. That, and some riots or something. Project fear should have been about the 51/49 result. That's where we need to be afraid.

The repetition of "Vote leave, and take back control" has been one of strongest things about the Leave campaign. Great marketing. Remain is an awful fiddly word that no one on the remain side used with any discipline. Even on the ballot paper the leave line is shorter and clearer.

56% leave 44% remain. Sunderland will declare first showing a massive win for Leave far beyond the expectations of the experts and then it goes from there. Paddy Ashdown will say he doesn't believe the early results which will be the death knell. Also, it's raining in London which will knock out a reasonable percentage of turnout from one of the strongest remain areas.

So Prof John Curtice, the undisputed king of polling has his poll of polls tracker on the very last day with the very last poll tracking at......50:50. Eff me. Knife edge. Said it a few times but I see that as a leave win because a) turnout will support leave and far too many young Remain professionals will forget/not be arsed/stay in the pub/lose their voting card thing etc etc and will get obliterated by the stoic voting pensioner army and b) I don't buy the "people will vote for the status quo" thing. It made sense in Scotland but it doesn't here. People who haven't thought about it until this morning aren't going to instinctively vote for Europe/Germans/Brussels/Immigrants. It's a status quo with no residual value. Leave will win. The bookies, not the pollsters, will be proven wrong this time. Not that they'll lose a penny.

Heaven knows I'm missing that now. What channel is it on?

So jealous. I think we all want to see Everton QPR the situation in a very big way.

Spain is the only one. But we've only ever played the big teams in pens. We won't lose to Iceland with postmen and brickies taking them and a trawlerman in goal.

Is there any actual reason we are talking about Klinsmann? "Look at the betting" is not a sufficient answer.