Daren W

You know Nick, I could almost go along with that if I hadn't read some of the comments on the skatesites when we were in trouble. There was a sizeable amount of Pompey fans on there just loving our predicament and wishing us out of business... Bet they're rather quiet right now...

Watching South Today and it just goes to show how deluded some of them are. One of them stated.. "I can't see it happening, the fanbase here is just too strong... I can't see it happening.." That's the fanbase that has "packed" Fratton park to the rafters each week eh? The fanbase that half filled Fratton for a home cup game knowing full well that they were struggling to even pay the players wages.... It's that sort of deluded behaviour that has got them where they are now...

You know, none of our resident skates will ever, ever, be able to live it down if saints fans got free tickets....

Obviously not that much in need of cash if they're giving away tickets to clear snow!

Oh, I'm enjoying the ride alright.... Everything about the man suggests long term planning. I've yet to see one single thing that indicates Leiherr is anything less than a responsible, decent man who approaches everything professionally and with long term planning for a stable, secure future. I share Delldays' concerns but I don't believe that ANY football club can sustain the level of wages were seeing at the moment. Not one Premier league club could compete if Sky and chairmen's money was taken out of the equation and they had to rely on bums on seats. Football has indeed gone mad and is a rich man's plaything, even your a Man Utd fan or a Saints fan, a Liverpool fan or a Skate. In regards to this thread, I'd argue why didn't Pompey learn from OUR mistakes? I have no sympathy for a club and set of fans who mocked us, ridiculed us and savoured our fall from grace and didn't learn one single thing from it.....

He has a valid point and considering how bad things are at Pompey we have to learn from their mistakes. The point is that Leibherr wants us to become a Premier League club as soon as possible and is budgeting accordingly, I would assume that once the sky money comes into the equation and there are full houses again then the situation will be very different. I've seen more to convince me this club is being run properly in four months than I have in four years from the previous regimes... That said we should applaud fans who ask questions when things are going well...

And to be equally fair we were lied to. But then again some of us pitch forkers weren't afraid to admit that Lowe did some good things as well as some bad things and we were equally mocked and ridiculed...

Well perhaps if you fish ****ers had asked asked a few more questions in the first place, rather than boasting about your rich owner, you wouldn't be in this mess... Don't blame us if you didn't have the intelligence to ask questions...

Just to add a bit more credence to this theory the Mail On Sunday has a whole page devoted to who's who at Pompey. It appears that Chanrai has lent Pompey £17 million. He won £16.5 million from Gaydamak. Helluva coincidence you'd have to agree?

Now I can see this having serious ramifications later on. You're Spurs, you've loaned him out, his chances of playing for you are slim so you decide to sell him but you can't as the club you've loaned him to are forbidden to keep him and the rules state he can't play for anyone else. It's not exactly very fair is it? I can see the rules changing and it might affect the way loans are done... and not necessarily for the better..... Well done Pompey, you may have ruined the system for everyone else..

Is he affected by the transfer embargo? I notice that O'Hara may well be on his way back to Spurs so where does that place Boeteng? Is is he on a season long loan? Oh, and can anyone post a link to the claims that Arcadi Gaydamak claims to still own PFC?

Aha, but if you were to peruse Pompey messageboards during our plight last year you'd no doubt find hundreds, if not thousands of Pompey fans crowing over our impending demise and I'd hazard a guess that there would be more of them than of ours right now. More than likely it would be because we've come through it and wouldn't wish it on anyone, even you, but don't walk around thinking that your less reasonable fellow skates weren't loving our plight last year. Likewise, I may smirk but i wouldn't wish Pompey would go out of business at all....

And this is the my main gripe. Just what do Portsmouth have to do get some sort of penalty? We were jumped on from a great height at the first sight of problems. I honestly believe that it is Pompey's league status that is holding them together right now. For a club to fail to pay its players three times in one season is completely and utterly appalling. To owe money to other clubs, to then default on repayment plans to those clubs and to still be allowed to trade is completely and utterly appalling. To think how clubs like Luton and Bournemouth have tried to play it fair and got clobbered and yet Pompey continue to lie and deceive and no one does a thing.... Shameful....

Funny, we said exactly the same thing last year when we faced administration and Pompey fans were all over us like a rash savouring our humiliation. Turnaround is fair play as they say. We're just savouring the moment...

What I just don't get, in all of this financial malestrom, is how you can come up with such complete and utter guff. No Saints fan in their right frame of mind would want Pompey to go bust but it's hard to think that way when you read such complete and utter rubbish. History is just that... history. The past. Gone. Ended. Nice to wheel out in an argument at the end but of no consequence whatsoever. We beat you last year, you beat us the year before, we beat you the year before that and you beat us the year before that. Ah! But who won the most trophies?? It's the final argument, it's the trump card but it's of no use whatsoever. History won't attract buyers... What will attract your next owner? 3 Fa cups and 2 titles from 50 years ago? Or will it be a stadium and set up? You sit there with your 400% better ratio. I'd reply that St Marys is 400% better than Fratton Park. Staplewood is 400% better than that area in Southampton that you train at. Our Academy is 400% better than anything you have to offer... and it's those factors that got us bought... You argument is ridiculous and it shows just why your club is in the trouble it's in. It shows just why you're virtually unbuyable. We may have slated Lowe but Lowe did make this club more attractive by dragging it kicking and screaming into the 21st century. You on the the other hand are stuck in a 70's timewarp. You have a terrible "stadium" no real academy set up and you train in Southampton! Who in their right mind would buy into that?? You've spent the last 50 years polishing your trophies whilst the rest of the country moved on and inot the The only, only thing you have on us is trophies, it's the only thing you're bleating on and on about. It is unbelievable that you believe that any other arguments must take place after trophies won! No, it's the here and now that counts. You can't spend history, you can't balance the books with history. Your trophy count is of no consequence whatsoever. In this day and age, size is important. You don't get bigger? Well bigger got us bought...

As opposed to concentrating on a period 50 years ago? It's rather amusing that you can actually accuse us of being selective whilst ignoring the period from the mid 50's to 2004? It's as if with you trophies only count and attendances and evolution into a proper club is inconsequential. The whole point is will those titles and 3 FA cup wins keep you warm if your club goes out of business? Answer? No... But not quite as good a phrase as "Solvent and debtless"

Ok, ask anyone actually IN football which is the bigger joke? Ask anyone, Journalists, players, managers. Ask people who merely watch the game, neutral fans- ask them the same question. You won't like the replies.......

Actually I think I will lecture you on support... You see the point you've missed Einstein is that fans helped organise that game. It failed but at least they tried. You lot just sit at home and blame the Arabs. Fans collected money to stave off administration. Fans have ensured that even in League One our attendances are still way above yours. What have your fans done? Issued a statement? Had 30 teenaged chavs and Westwood stand outside the gate singing "Sack the board"?? That after 11,000 fans (of which at least 3,000 of those were away fans) attend a game knowing that the club needs money to pay the effing wages!!! Oh I think we can lecture you about support for the next couple of decades and then some. Save our Saints, is that really the best reposte you can come up with? You club and your support is a joke... just ask Andy Townsend or anyone else who saw the empty seats on television. Ask any fan if they think trying to organise a charity match and failing compares to knowing your club needs money and having nearly half your attendance go missing with a pathetic 11,000 attendance. I think they'd laugh you into the Conference... Your club and your support, and indeed your reply, are pathetic...

Did anyone see the "demonstration" after the game? Your club is potless, bottom of the league, owes the taxman millions, cannot pay the wages, has to sell its best players, no one knows who owns what or who's responsible... So what do you do? Muster about thirty planks/chavs to stand outside the ground singing "Sack the board" after a game that attracted 11,214 of which, what, 3,000 are away fans?? Small tip here, one of the things that saved Saints was the fact that we got behind the club and worked hard to keep it. Leibherr stated it was one of the things that attracted him to the club, the way the fans rallied behind the club. Attendances like that, demonstrations like that, will send your club into oblivion... Sort yourselves out...

And to be equally fair we're a League One side. That rather evens it up and then some...

Now I may be looking in the wrong place but am I the only one wondering why Gaydamak's company is called MILAND developments? Is Mandaric still involved in there somewhere?

You'd think Ant and Dec could afford to buy him a flaming coffe...

....Effing cheek...

He's not in Horton Heath is he?

Oh, in an ideal world he and Wilde will take over Pompey and you know who will disappear and post on their messageboards... * *(again)