Daren W

Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way... We all know that Avram goes to Southampton to get laid....

Best? Spurs 4-0 The best for out and out football, utterly humiliating the Spuds. Arsenal 3-2 Just for being the perfect game... Watford 2-1 I was just on such a high all day, amazing stuff... I'm surprised the Sheffield United 3-2 hasn't got more of a mention, one of the best games I've ever attended! Norwich 4-3 Pure blood pumping adrenaline packed magic Worst? Any game at Fratton park Far too any too pick from all of our relegation years... so many truly horrible games...

I do believe it may be Andrew Pate (spl) who was responsible! And you do know him don't you? lol

Unbelievable. It's as if you haven't read one single thing I've written in all of this whole stupid mess of a thread. It's as if you're either stupid or deliberately provocative. I do believe I've actually told yo every single reason why i detest you and yet here you are again, treading over the same old ground, ignoring every thing I've said. You're just harping on about about how you've been wronged without a single thought to what you've said and done in regards to me... Thank you, you've just shown to everyone on here exactly what sort of person you are... A scumbag....

I quite like seeing proper football grounds. Not stadiums... grounds. See what football was before Sky, cash whores, agents and Bosman contracts.

No, I know exactly what you mean, it was hardly my finest hour. Still being told several times by several different people that they understood my point makes a difference. Line drawn...

I'm still there mate! Give me a clue then...

I stand to win £350 if Pompey go down with Wolves and Hull...

Where did we work then? I'm intrigued now! No, you're absolutely right and I got so caught up in my own issues that I didn't realise I was upsetting other people and for that I am genuinely, genuinely sorry. I guess I felt no one was listening when I felt my words were being distorted. But you are so right, there is so much more to life then football or this damn messageboard..

Point taken. Apologies given.

Verbal, Hulk. Do you think I enjoy this? Do you think I don't look at these posts and feel the same as you? Of course I do. However what people need to understand is Why I feel so strongly about this poster. This is a messageboard and of course people will deliberately misinterpret what you say to help prove their point. Sundance Beast/19c went just too far. The most frustrating thing, he hasn't just misinterpreted my words he's lied and when you think about the subject matter am I alone in thinking he crossed a line?? He's still doing it.."the club may have had a reasonable policy to stem the floodgates." Again, all I asked was for permission to collect money on club property. All I asked was for permission to get my mum's shirt signed and a photo taken. People have photos taken and shirts signed all the time at Staplewood but with my mum's condition I had to know that it could be/would be done. I asked for permission and the club couldn't be bothered to reply. Again he's twisted the truth and run with it for all he's worth... "You asked the club for money." No I didn't, I asked the club if I could collect money on club property. "You threw a sulk when the club refused" No I didn't, I expressed real disappointment that the club couldn't be bothered to reply to a charity request. "Shirtgate, you asked the cub for a signed shirt for your mother" No I didn't, shirt and pen were bought and paid for, all I ask for was the wrist action from the players to sign it. The club at that time, couldn't be bothered. "You wrote articles full of bile and poison when you didn't get your way." no I didn't and he's admitted he's never read my articles. "You only raised money for cancer as it affects your family" Sorry, but could he be more offensive? It's easy for other posters to get ****ed off with me for reacting so aggressively. I don't blame you. But put yourself in my shoes. I just feel so powerless, it's as if people are listening to him and not me and it's completely and utterly frustrating. My mum is dying, the cancer she has will kill her sooner rather than later. After months of feeling depressed and sorry for myself I decided to do something positive and raise money for cancer research and hopefully help someone else in my sort of position. Now to have that action then turned to appear selfish and self centred is just about the worst thing, I think, that has ever happened to me. It is the most intensely personal thing in the world to me, now ask yourself, how would you feel if someone took the most private and personal thing to you and used it against you? I hazard a guess you'd be angry too. I may be naive but when someone you love has a terminal disease, any money you raise won't help them. It does, however, make me feel better in thinking that doing something might help someone else and stop one family going through what we're going through... And let me tell you it's hell. Sundance Beast 19c took that and made it seem dirty, greedy and selfish. I will never forgive him, will never play nicey nicey with him and no matter how he tries to play the reasonable wide eyed innocent now it will never cut the ice with me. I will always remember the way he deliberately twisted my words and somehow took someone who was trying to raise money for charity and was rightly disappointed that the club couldn't be bothered to reply, and did his level best to make me appear selfish and slightly demented. I loathe and despise him but at least I'm honest about it. I will put him on ignore quite gladly as his recent digs at Le Tissier, McMenemy and now Strachan, just sicken me. But if he is really means what he says and is genuine in his desire to draw a line... don't reply. I'd hazard a guess that his desire to have the last word will be just too strong but we'll see...

Ah, so maybe now you see how offensive your jibes were when you were on other messageboards making crass "tin rattler" comments. Now the shoes on the other foot you take umbrage? You posted all sorts of vile crap on other messageboards about me and now I return the favour and you get all pious? Amazing... You were all too ready to twist my comments and views so as to make me appear twisted with grief and manically taking that grief out on the club. You were all too quick to state my articles were riddled with bile and poison and yet conveniently forgetting you've publicly stated on here you've never read any of articles. So it's quite amazing to fathom out how you could comment on all of that "bile and poison" when you've never read any of my articles? Embellishing the truth to score points??? Surely not... My problem always with you has always been that you took the facts and twisted them so much as to become a lie, and when you bear in mind it was the circumstances surrounding my mum's cancer, and how I sought to make something positive out of the negative, you were using to twist and distort you can see why I loathe and detest you. How you endlessly ignored points I raised in regards to my disappointment with the club to make me sound unreasonable and slightly demented... You don't like comments about your own mental illness, well you reap what you sow. Now perhaps you might see how I felt when you thought my mum's illness was a topic you could take the p1ss out of and use to score cheap points in a pro/anti board debate... Do I feel sympathy for you? Not one jot... You can rot in hell for all I care...

Oh I seeeeee so it's ok to cheat other teams then, is that what you're saying? Kicking a ball out for a throw in is apparently one step away from Hanse Cronje territory but diving, cheating etc is just fine and dandy? Or does it have to be punished on the same day to qualify for your bizarre rules? You're just making it up as you go along, first of all it was acceptable as long as it was off the pitch, now if you cheat on the pitch it's acceptable as long as you don't get caught within the 90 minutes... Only a complete buffoon would say kicking the ball out for first throw is on a par or worse than the likes of Maradona and Henry or general diving, fouling or cheating... oh.... Now I see why you're posting... lol

And as if by magic the underlying reason for this "thread" appears, another snipe at LeTissier. So because Sir Bobby Charlton's transgretion is forgivable/forgetable as it's a "distant perception." You're tying yourself up in knots here, you can ignore Gerrard's bar brawl, Rooney's sex with aging prostitutes and Terry's various off pitch indiscretions but you will continually harrang LeTissier for one botched betting scam. "But it's cheating!" you squeal. It was a botched attempt at first throw in, it's hardly the hand of god or Thierry Henry is it? How do you place Maradona or Henry in your moral hit list? Both guilty of cheating... but it's not first throw in is it? That's the biggest crime of them all isn't it? lol You'd hope that the Christmas spirit might have visited chez 19c this year but obviously not as yet again we get bored sh1tless by yet another thread to knock LeTissier. It would seem that the whole argument revolves what qualifies for 19c's bile. Apparently you can get away with murder as long as it's off the pitch. Of the pitch, off the pitch, off the pitch, that's all we hear from you. You bring up all sorts of great sportsmen and hold them as a yardstick for greatness and then defend Rooney, Gerrard and Terry for some shocking behaviour off the pitch and that's acceptable as it's off the pitch. What completely freaky morals you have... I could understand it if Matt was some journeyman footballer who spent a few years at Saints and didn't achieve much but I would say, without fear of contradiction, that Matt would be in any Saints fans top five footballers of all time. He earnt the right to be forgiven and that's what's missing from 19c's seemingly endless *****fest... forgiveness... It's rather sad and extremely pathetic, that during this time of the year, one sad, lonely, bitter little man can't forgive Matt for one botched mistake and show a little Christian spirit.

I'll explain this for you as slowly as I can as you obvious have a problem understanding it. Basic knowledge of the English language is tough.. You're forever harping on about Le Tissier's criminal activities, this terrible betting scam, the scandal that apparently has made LeTissier lose the respect of the fans and his peers... But you have now admitted to us all this "crime" is subjective.... Dictionary definition of subjective: sub·jec·tive (sb-jktv) adj. 1. a. Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: a subjective decision. b. Particular to a given person; personal: subjective experience. 2. Moodily introspective. 3. Existing only in the mind; illusory. 4. Psychology Existing only within the experiencer's mind. 5. Medicine Of, relating to, or designating a symptom or condition perceived by the patient and not by the examiner. Perhaps, oh intelligent one, you can explain to us how this crime of the century can be subjective? He's either guilty or he's not. Can you get your head around that? Or are you so entrenched in your bitter, bile infected agenda that you can't see you're wrong? You say the "crime" is subjective so it's not black and white. Fact.... The problem you seem to have is that you've completely and utterly missed the fact that pretty much to a man, most saints fans think Matt was a fool to contemplate the betting scam and an even bigger fool for putting it in his book. The problem for you is that we forgave him for it. We weighed a career of utmost distinction and loyalty against ONE BOTCHED SCAM and forgave him for it. You ought try that, show a bit of humanity rather being a sad, obsessed, bitter, lonely "man." In the meantime thank you so much for the long winded, overly verbose reply. It just adds credance to my theory that once you get past the puff and padding you say nothing. Getting past the obvious insults you've said nothing in the quote above... not a thing... Watching you post these days is rather like the written version of car crash tv. You just get more and more embarrassing. You appear to be the messageboard version of Richard Briars' character in Ever Decreasing Circles, you're the Norris Cole of the Saints Web, desperately looking to moan and whinge when all about you are having fun and generally enjoying life. The only problem is that you lack any of the endearing elements of the two and just ooze poison and bile. Christmas as chez 19c/SundanceBeast/Flashman must be a riot.... Try to answer the point, avoid the puff and padding, and at least try to engage your brain for once... lol

Better still, so now you're conceding the issue is subjective eh? No definite line between right and wrong? So all of this is down to your view of what is right and what is wrong eh? Your own words not mine... Little tip here, if you take umbrage at someone questioning your intelligence it would help if you didn't post something rather brainless in your defence. It may have slipped your mind that you've been supporting footballers who have indulged in violence, prostitution and drug dealing and you think I'm ceding the moral high ground? How stupid are you? Answer... very. Please, keep on posting. The more you post the dumber you look...

I take it there are no mirrors in your house then? lol Unfortunately for you I am right, your obsession with LeTissier and your continually shifting criteria for criminality is almost comical. It's behaviour on the pitch then it's behaviour off the pitch, it's no wonder people are questioning your intelligence and let's be honest, it's that that really stings doesn't it? It's not the perceived bile or rants, it's the fact I called you stupid that really annoys you... Delldays was referring to your comment on the armed services, I would think like most of us, he's thoroughly sick and tired of you continually banging your LeTissier drum. And bravo for showing a quite stunning lack of self awareness. I don't doubt people think I'm a pillock but I'll also wager that they all think your sad obsession with putting LeTissier down is verging on a mental illness. In the meantime thank you so much for proving my point and not answering a single point. You're not unintelligent at all, are you? lol

Oh dear... took you long enough to reply, anyone would think you were struggling... In fact most people think you're struggling after a p1ss poor reply like this. You really aren't that intelligent are you? You may be long winded but strip away the puff and padding and you have nothing to say, well nothing of any importance anyway. You have the absolute gall to say I'm repetitive but if I am am it's because I am replying to you and you are the most repetitive poster on this messageboard, constantly droning on and on about a genuine Saints legend who made one small mistake and has you forever on his back... The surest sign of how unintelligent you are comes from the above post as you desperately try to defend loutish behaviour, prostitution drug dealing and violence as somehow more preferable than a one off failed gambling "scam" as it's "Off the pitch." It's laughable. And now there's some mythical code that LeTissier's broken. Obviously cheating's not privy to this mythical code, dirty play or crippling, career ending fouls, just LeTissiers betting scam apparently, according your "rule book." For the record I don't criticise anyone of those players for their behaviour, I'm just comparing behaviours and you're obviously not smart enough to see that. I don't blame Rooney for sleeping with a slapper, I don't blame Terry for drunken escapades or his dad's behaviour or Gerrard scrapping when out and out.... But then neither am I judge, jury and executioner on LeTissier's one sorry excuse for a transgretion. I'm not that unpleasant as to drone on and on and on about it at every single opportunity. Look at yourself, take a long hard look at yourself and your replies and see just how just boring, petty, tedious, but above all, unintelligent you are. Your defence for Rooney, Terry and Gerrard is almost juvenile, praising Rooney for cheating on his girlfriend with hookers, risking her sexual health as he ****s around with a prostitute as it "just saved himself time and effort." It's not his fault, it's the hangers on.... Oh riiiighht, how utterly pitiful... I haven't missed your points, again, you're just not smart enough to recognise that fact. I have been critical of Matt's one mistake but as that was just one mistake in a distinguished career I have looked at it, analysed it and moved on from it. You however remain like the literal pig in sh1t, wallowing in a cess pit of supposed criminal behaviour. You appear to almost be enjoying it but as a troll/skate I'd fully expect you to... You then, amusingly enough, accuse me of repetition with absolutely no self recognition whatsoever. I defend LeTissier, I'm repetitive. You constantly jump on any LeTissier thread with your tired old argument, not repetitious. You're either retarded or stupid. Judging by this reply, I'm say the latter... You're tying yourself in knots; if you don't have the intellect to debate like an adult then please don't bother...

The problem is we don't know how Boro have been playing or what was going on behind the scenes. You might argue that Southgate got more time than he should have...

No, but there is a troll/skate...

Damn, you beat me to it! lol

No you avoid them as you have no response other than droning on and on about your one point. You are rather depressingly easy to beat in a debate... And as for being called repetitive by you? Possibly the funniest thing I've read on here... oh the irony.. And in the land of the manic depressives, you're the royal family....

That would be the same John Terry whose dad is a drug dealer, the same John Terry who has been was charged with assault and affray? Who was given a temporary ban from the England national side by the FA? Previously, along with Chelsea team-mates Frank Lampard, Jody Morris, Eiður Guðjohnsen and former team-mate Frank Sinclair, in September 2001, was fined two weeks wages by Chelsea after drunkenly harassing grieving American tourists in the immediate aftermath of the September 11 attacks? The same John John Terry currently prostituting the England armband? That one? Or Wayne Rooney who paid old women for sex or Steven Gerrard who was involved in a bar brawl and went to court over it? You don't half cherry pick your points don't you Numpteen? lol

And as always, a complete joy to see you avoid the point and drone on about nothing... In the meantime please accept a copy of Unbelievable for Christmas, no not the Matt LeTissier video, a cut and paste document of most of your posts...

Book, book, book, gamble, gamble, gamble... (sigh) yet again... Interesting to note how you've completely sidestepped all the main points and will only answer the point on LeTissier's qualifications as a coach. As I said, it wouldn't hurt. Doesn't make him Cappellosque, but it does make him worth a look.. But at the end of the day, and you ignored this completely, you're a sad case who will jump on any LeTissier themed thread to have a pop. That in my book, makes you snide, cowardly and above all, unbelievably tedious...