saint michael

Roy worked with my dad in the docks and had many great days out with the crowd as a kid. sad news RIP Roy

Selling players give us one off benefit. Keeping and getting higher in the league gives us continual higher benefit. Keep and we are better off every year. We must get over this sell off mentality. The more we do this the better we become the more people will want to stop. We have to create this it will not just happen one day.

What were you saying?

Ron even

Not sure we have changed our philosophy so standing still may be an outcome of recruitment and that the continued changes are having an effect. Things that concern me are:- not being able to keep Toby and add players like VVD, squad body language doesn't seem quite the same this year, leaders on the pitch and I know this will not be popular but we are starting to see what Poch is doing at Spurs and think we miss this too...much as I believe Rin is great guy

What did he do? Serious question.

How tadic plays week in and week out God only knows. We let puncheon go for him..... What a good decision that was. He loves himself

Thank F there are some bad sides in this league....anybody who don't think we are in a fight needs to get real. I wonder what will happen if we get I a a bad run. We lack passion and commitment

I would prefer to let him go and take the money. He has no place with us now. Feel it's different to Morgan situation as he gave a lot more to us over time. I hate this disloyalty and yes I know all the reasons why this happens but still wrankles with me.

Quote Originally Posted by saint michael View Post I agree but I'm saying sooner or later this tactic is likely to catch up with us. Forming a strong team and strong team culture is not easy to maintain when you change as often as we are. Last year was exceptional but we still retained a lot of the group that had got us into the prem. This core group is now getting less. We should not expect to be able to do this every year The core group you describe as getting us to the Premier League has decreased significantly in number, but that has been with another large group of better players who got us to 8th and 7th. Quote. Do you still believe this? You know who you are

Yes UCk off glory hunters lets get back to a real competition where if we play well we have chance of winning league

UCk him let him go. I've got to the point where I don't give a flying UCk that they want o go. Seriously when I think about when I first started supporting saints in the sixties Paine and davies and McGrath giving their all week in week out I just can't relate saints to this lot now

1 win in 9 now I don't see any quick fixes here. Long hard season ahead I feel

Ŵe obviously rate Feyenoord for development why don't we form an arrangement with them and let our youngsters go s a group so that they could get used to playing together in competitive games

I think that is 1 win in the last 8 league games now. So when we took out the core of the team with injuries last season think we saw a glimpse of this.

I bet Ron is feeling better

Behave a give the lad a break.

Sat with Celtic fan and he used the word majestic he said he reads the game so well and seems to glide around the pitch

Ha ha love it describes the forum well

Which is what will happen if we keep selling our best players.....

Thanks for the optimism Bro QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;2211511]Wanyama probably figures he's the boss in midfield now and is thinking about all the cash he'll earn next summer for a CL side if he has a blinding season (motivation), and Bertrand seems overtly happy with the way his career is going. Fonte has had other CBs to partner with before, and am sure he'll make the next one look good too. We'll lose a max of 3 players if MS goes. We've got Reed coming through, and will sign another decent CM anyway, so it's not like we're in dire straits for a MS replacement. We'll get a decent replacement for TA, and we already have an excellent replacement (by all accounts) for Clyne. We've got a brilliant keeper to plug the gap til FF is back, and when he is we've got strength in depth for the rest of the season. Our attack has two new excellent players - JRod is back, and you don't play for spain without being at least somewhat capable. Seems to me like we'll be at least as strong next season. Players come and go.

I wonder what it feels like for wanyama fonte Bertrand etc to see clyne Toby and likely Morgan leave just before another season. I can't see how it doesn't affect morale when they look around the dressing room and think are we stronger without them

I don't believe it is ever done in one step or will be very quick without ploughing millions in as city have done. It is frustrating when it feels like we are close and can push on with a couple of big additions but maintaining a sensible cost base is going to be the way forward. I am more keen to see us holding our good players for longer and them developing together.

Well let's see. Hope you are right. There are not many managers I can think of that can keep improving performance when selling the core of a team repeatedly. The players that came in had a great first season they are now the foundation of the experience for this season. I am not saying by the way that the guys we have brought in are not good buys. I am talking about team construction and structure

I agree but I'm saying sooner or later this tactic is likely to catch up with us. Forming a strong team and strong team culture is not easy to maintain when you change as often as we are. Last year was exceptional but we still retained a lot of the group that had got us into the prem. This core group is now getting less. We should not expect to be able to do this every year